Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XVI (Playoffs or Retool?)

[MrAlmost]

Save us JTM

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You're an option.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Fire Drury before the team makes any more moves

 

[GAGLine]

See also how players like Stutzle and Hughes were handled. Though to be fair those teams were not trying to win anything, bottom feeders have that “nothing left to lose” type freedom.

The year after we sent the letter, we finished 6th worst. We were bottom feeders, but of course this organization has no patience, so they traded for Trouba and signed Panarin. We shouldn't have been trying to win 1 year after announcing a rebuild.

The irony is, Kakko actually got more PP time as a rookie than he did any year thereafter, despite not being ready for the NHL. A year later, he was much more ready, and they gave him very few opportunities. They mismanaged him from day 1.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

On Friday, it appeared the Rangers and Vancouver were close to a trade. Something happened on Saturday. The deal didn't happen. Miller knew a trade was close to happening. No Mika. Vancouver isn't interested. No Braden. No Lafreniere. Vancouver wanted to make the trade but the Rangers weren't so eager to make the trade. Vancouver told people a trade was close but the Rangers weren't ready to make the deal. IMHO, the Rangers are better waiting until after the 4 Nations to make trades. Vancouver lost 5-1 on Thursday night to LA and they were mad. They wanted to move on from Miller. Some teams have permission to speak with Miller. Rangers and a few other teams. The Devils can't take Miller's contract without surgery because they have players with NMC/NTC. Looked at PuckPedia and EF is correct. They aren't trading Mercer's $4M. The Rangers have the Trouba space which is accruing daily.. Chytil's $4.4375M to Vancouver in the deal. EF doesn't believe NJ and Dallas are options for Miller. Carolina makes some sense to EF. (Necas? He is signed for just one more season. UFA.) It doesn't appear there many teams for Miller. He controls it. The Rangers should wait it out and acquire another first round pick to include in a trade to Vancouver. Keep their 2025 first round pick.

Salary cap could be set for three seasons. Both sides are in CBA talks. They are trying to figure out when to announce the cap numbers. Some people want it to be announced before the trade deadline. Some teams will not spend to the upper limit in a new $110M cap world. They can't spend to the upper limit.

So much for all the "rumors" that Vancouver's owner shut it down.

Now did they back out of it because they decided it's better to wait it out and see where they're at in a few weeks or did they back out because Drury was afraid of "shaking up the room"?

At least Larry Whistledown can stop with this Laf for Miller nonsense. He can also f off with the "STOP BEING MEAN TO LINDGREN" shit. As long as he plays top 4 minutes and gets caved, people are allowed to be upset.

 

[RangerBoy]

The year after we sent the letter, we finished 6th worst. We were bottom feeders, but of course this organization has no patience, so they traded for Trouba and signed Panarin. We shouldn't have been trying to win 1 year after announcing a rebuild.

The irony is, Kakko actually got more PP time as a rookie than he did any year thereafter, despite not being ready for the NHL. A year later, he was much more ready, and they gave him very few opportunities. They mismanaged him from day 1.

I remember Gorton and Quinn had a fan forum event right before the 2018-19 season. Every other question from the fans was about speeding up the rebuild.

 

[RangerBoy]

So much for all the "rumors" that Vancouver's owner shut it down.

Now did they back out of it because they decided it's better to wait it out and see where they're at in a few weeks or did they back out because Drury was afraid of "shaking up the room"?

At least Larry Whistledown can stop with this Laf for Miller nonsense. He can also f off with the "STOP BEING MEAN TO LINDGREN" shit. As long as he plays top 4 minutes and gets caved, people are allowed to be upset.

EF made it sound like Vancouver was ready to make the deal but the Rangers backed out. It doesn't sound like Vancouver has many other options for Miller. The Rangers are better off waiting until right before the trade deadline to make trades. Let the cap space accrue. Some of their players are starting to play better. Re-establish their value.

 

[TominNC]

I agree players should be moved. I disagree with how much fans think we’ll get back. They’re over inflating so they can be pissed when they don’t get what they think we should get. Typical of fans. Setting up for disappointment.

 

[MrAlmost]

Miller is likely a ranger by 5pm today.

 

[Mikachu93]

Miller is likely a ranger by 5pm today.

A guess or do you know something?

 

[NYR Viper]

EF made it sound like Vancouver was ready to make the deal but the Rangers backed out. It doesn't sound like Vancouver has many other options for Miller. The Rangers are better off waiting until right before the trade deadline to make trades. Let the cap space accrue. Some of their players are starting to play better. Re-establish their value.

It sure seems like Miller wants the Rangers and the Rangers want Miller. I'm sure some of these leaks are from the Rangers to basically let Miller know of the interest so he doesn't make a rash decision and okay a move to somewhere else. Vancouver is the team in the worse position. They are a point behind for the last WC spot and with the disgruntled player who apparently is pissing off his teammates

 

[MrAlmost]

A guess or do you know something?

Guess. Close on Saturday. Package is reasonable. Guys involved played bad in Montreal. Quick on the cusp of 400 and the team shits the bed on him. Game at home tomorrow.

Like I been saying, at least make this entertaining. Sports should be fun. This is very much not. Haha

 

[rangers1314]

EF made it sound like Vancouver was ready to make the deal but the Rangers backed out. It doesn't sound like Vancouver has many other options for Miller. The Rangers are better off waiting until right before the trade deadline to make trades. Let the cap space accrue. Some of their players are starting to play better. Re-establish their value.

interesting that’s how you heard it.

I heard it like the van ownership thing is true. He said Van management was motivated and wanted the deal. He said it wasn’t a Mika thing, he said Branden and Laf were not involved…I heard that as process of elimination that it was Van ownership. Who knows .

 

[Boris Zubov]

So much for all the "rumors" that Vancouver's owner shut it down.

Now did they back out of it because they decided it's better to wait it out and see where they're at in a few weeks or did they back out because Drury was afraid of "shaking up the room"?

At least Larry Whistledown can stop with this Laf for Miller nonsense. He can also f off with the "STOP BEING MEAN TO LINDGREN" shit. As long as he plays top 4 minutes and gets caved, people are allowed to be upset.

EF didn't speculate at all on why the trade broke down, nor was he sure which team backed out. He did say that he believed the Rangers thought it was close, but he didn't expand. I'm not saying your wrong, but nothing in this podcast threw cold water on the owner theory, or any theory.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

EF didn't speculate at all on why the trade broke down, nor was he sure which team backed out. He did say that he believed the Rangers thought it was close, but he didn't expand. I'm not saying your wrong, but nothing in this podcast threw cold water on the owner theory, or any theory.

I didn’t listen to it, was going off off RB’s interpretation.

He usually doesn’t mishear shit so I ran with it.

 

[NYR BHK]

Miller is likely a ranger by 5pm today.

I agree

 

[bernmeister]

There is so such parity in the NHL and so many teams have cap issues. Some of these rosters are top heavy with zero depth like Colorado. The Rangers beat Vegas and it was a big deal. Vegas got shutout by the Islanders in the prior game to the Rangers game. Vegas has lost three straight games and 5 out of their last 6 games.

Back to our scheduled programming. Chris Kreider looks more spry since returning from his IR stint. MSG had the camera on him when he returned to the Rangers bench during the second period. He was talking to the trainer who put something in his hand and Kreider swallowed it. Tylenol? Advil?

Does Mika want to play in St. Louis? The Blues have been looking for a center. Possibly reunite Zibanejad and Buchnevich. Not sure what the Blues would send back in the deal. Saad has been available but where would Saad play in NY? The Rangers don't need another LW. Saad is signed for one season at $4.5M. Schenn is at $6.5M for three more seasons. He is their captain. Faulk is signed for more two seasons at $6.5M. Parayko is signed for $6.5M until 2030.

Perhaps Minnesota in the summer. They are looking for a center. Zuccarello is there but he is signed for just one more season. Minnesota has the huge Parise and Suter numbers coming off this summer. Cap will increase. The money is there.

Nashville? ROR? He does not have trade protection but Nashville will be consult with him before trading him.

Boston? The Bruins need help at center. The Bruins have contracts to send back to the Rangers.

PLD with 7 years remaining for Kuemper with 3 years remaining last summer. Both teams have benefited from that trade.

no idea if zib would waive, but if yes, zib + para as core to a deal is a win win

You can chase a season like you chase games. We're chasing a season. Some players will have to be moved out and others come in but that doesn't mean we'll need to blow up the entire team. The Devils were kind of doing last year what we're doing this year. The Devils made moves to fix their D in the summer and then some of their top players remembered who they were. That said they had a lot of injuries last year. This year's Devils team is a lot better but it ain't great. I could see the Rangers pretty much doing similar next season.

I don't think we're making the playoffs this year. A question will be how hard Drury pushes things to try to get there. If I were to advise him it would be to if nothing else at least move all of the upcoming UFA's at the deadline. He can make a decision on signing Borgen or trading but I think it would be better for us to reset for next year and the years to come than to try to force/sneak our way into the playoffs by going after rentals and maybe sneak in in the last week and probably get knocked out for all that trouble......maybe even swept in the first round. He can stay with pretty much the same team and see how close they can get anyway without trading off picks/prospects. I would let this group sink or swim on its own. That's what the players asked for and wanted anyway.

Although I concur w/several good pts in the rest of yr post, I disagree w/da bold.
Better to:
a) grab the bull by the horns and accept pain for doing so instead of letting the bull shit all over and trample you
break the bull
b) the players cannot be allowed to think that they can manipulate things esp to the extreme we have seen here this year
rule is old core must go, either
- to remove trouble
- course correction to sell high to add quality youth = help build a foundation that extends the window

The year after we sent the letter, we finished 6th worst. We were bottom feeders, but of course this organization has no patience, so they traded for Trouba and signed Panarin. We shouldn't have been trying to win 1 year after announcing a rebuild.

The irony is, Kakko actually got more PP time as a rookie than he did any year thereafter, despite not being ready for the NHL. A year later, he was much more ready, and they gave him very few opportunities. They mismanaged him from day 1.

Another great post, per usual, full concur on highlighted

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I know the usual aversion to trading younger players for veterans, but personally I’d trade Chytil as the centerpiece in a Miller deal and not think twice about it.

With his health question marks and inability to stay on the ice, that’s a real issue. I also don’t think he’s ever going to be anything more than a good 3C or average 2c. Miller has the potential to be a top 15 player in the league. I don’t think Chytil will ever be a better player than Miller. If you can get Miller with Chytil being the roster piece going back and you don’t give up Perrault or a 1st then I’m thrilled.

I think it’s pretty simple, Drury sees Miller as his answer to Matthew Tkachuk or just the overall malaise and blandness of this team.

 

[mrmovies779]

I know the usual aversion to trading younger players for veterans, but personally I’d trade Chytil as the centerpiece in a Miller deal and not think twice about it.

With his health question marks and inability to stay on the ice, that’s a real issue. I also don’t think he’s ever going to be anything more than a good 3C or average 2c. Miller has the potential to be a top 15 player in the league. I don’t think Chytil will ever be a better player than Miller. If you can get Miller with Chytil being the roster piece going back and you don’t give up Perrault or a 1st then I’m thrilled.

I think it’s pretty simple, Drury sees Miller as his answer to Matthew Tkachuk or just the overall malaise and blandness of this team.

Miller is also 31 with a big contract and multiple years left...and wears out his welcome pretty fast wherever he goes.Personally I would stay away,but this team does things ass backwards.Always has, always will

 

[NYR Viper]

I know the usual aversion to trading younger players for veterans, but personally I’d trade Chytil as the centerpiece in a Miller deal and not think twice about it.

With his health question marks and inability to stay on the ice, that’s a real issue. I also don’t think he’s ever going to be anything more than a good 3C or average 2c. Miller has the potential to be a top 15 player in the league. I don’t think Chytil will ever be a better player than Miller. If you can get Miller with Chytil being the roster piece going back and you don’t give up Perrault or a 1st then I’m thrilled.

I think it’s pretty simple, Drury sees Miller as his answer to Matthew Tkachuk or just the overall malaise and blandness of this team.

This team needs an attitude adjustment. You can see that Drury has had that pegged as a goal for some time. He even has adjusted their drafting philosophy. The reason Trochek sticks out as he does is because his playing style if unique on this roster. Cuylle, Edstrom, Rempe, Lafreniere (when he is playing well), Carrick. There is a style of play that Drury is pushing towards. You can even see it with the addition of Borgen on defense. Miller fits that mold...

 

[UnparalledPark]

There is so such parity in the NHL and so many teams have cap issues. Some of these rosters are top heavy with zero depth like Colorado. The Rangers beat Vegas and it was a big deal. Vegas got shutout by the Islanders in the prior game to the Rangers game. Vegas has lost three straight games and 5 out of their last 6 games.

Back to our scheduled programming. Chris Kreider looks more spry since returning from his IR stint. MSG had the camera on him when he returned to the Rangers bench during the second period. He was talking to the trainer who put something in his hand and Kreider swallowed it. Tylenol? Advil?

Does Mika want to play in St. Louis? The Blues have been looking for a center. Possibly reunite Zibanejad and Buchnevich. Not sure what the Blues would send back in the deal. Saad has been available but where would Saad play in NY? The Rangers don't need another LW. Saad is signed for one season at $4.5M. Schenn is at $6.5M for three more seasons. He is their captain. Faulk is signed for more two seasons at $6.5M. Parayko is signed for $6.5M until 2030.

Perhaps Minnesota in the summer. They are looking for a center. Zuccarello is there but he is signed for just one more season. Minnesota has the huge Parise and Suter numbers coming off this summer. Cap will increase. The money is there.

Nashville? ROR? He does not have trade protection but Nashville will be consult with him before trading him.

Boston? The Bruins need help at center. The Bruins have contracts to send back to the Rangers.

PLD with 7 years remaining for Kuemper with 3 years remaining last summer. Both teams have benefited from that trade.

There is a rumor that Zib will only accept a trade to east coast team so his wife will have a shorter plane ride to and from Sweden.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

interesting that’s how you heard it.

I heard it like the van ownership thing is true. He said Van management was motivated and wanted the deal. He said it wasn’t a Mika thing, he said Branden and Laf were not involved…I heard that as process of elimination that it was Van ownership. Who knows .

I just listened to it myself.

Van ownership stuff is a stretch and a half but you and Boris were right in that there was no confirmation one way or the other on anything so I don’t really agree with RB’s interpretation either.

I don’t know how hands on or meddling Vancouvers owners are, but these guys (the owners) almost never know anything about players around the league. This is why I laugh ever time someone thinks Dolan demanded the Rangers sign Panarin - there’s no way he knew who Panarin was before he signed here.

 

[rangers1314]

I just listened to it myself.

Van ownership stuff is a stretch and a half but you and Boris were right in that there was no confirmation one way or the other on anything so I don’t really agree with RB’s interpretation either.

I don’t know how hands on or meddling Vancouvers owners are, but these guys (the owners) almost never know anything about players around the league. This is why I laugh ever time someone thinks Dolan demanded the Rangers sign Panarin - there’s no way he knew who Panarin was before he signed here.

I don’t know if it’s a huge stretch. I just keep coming back to process of elimination.

Van wants the player gone. The player is leveraging his movement protection to go to NYR. NYR management has had a hard on for Miller for 2 years, Miller is about to sit out a game, which is the universal sign that a trade has been agreed up in principle…all of a sudden when the deal is on the 1 inch line Drury backs off?

Van management was good to go. NYR were getting their target and the player was going where he wanted…the only other party here is the van ownership.

we also know Van loves Schneider and that Schneider wasn’t in the trade. “So we’re trading JT to the team he wants and we’re not getting that player you’ve told me is so good in return? No chance”

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don’t know if it’s a huge stretch. I just keep coming back to process of elimination.

Van wants the player gone. The player is leveraging his movement protection to go to NYR. NYR management has had a hard on for Miller for 2 years, Miller is about to sit out a game, which is the universal sign that a trade has been agreed up in principle…all of a sudden when the deal is on the 1 inch line Drury backs off?

Van management was good to go. NYR were getting their target and the player was going where he wanted…the only other party here is the van ownership.

Yeah it’s totally plausible.

Rangers have been rolling well and he decides that it’s better to hold off than to throw someone into the mix that can throw things awry.

I think that along with what @ThePeoplesPeople said makes it seem more likely that the Rangers are the ones who backed out of this.

It’s also possible that Vancouver’s FO decided that they didn’t want to make a decision based on emotion and backed out.

 

[lakeshirts37]

JTM will be a Ranger just a matter of when

 

[bernmeister]

I know the usual aversion to trading younger players for veterans, but personally I’d trade Chytil as the centerpiece in a Miller deal and not think twice about it.

With his health question marks and inability to stay on the ice, that’s a real issue. I also don’t think he’s ever going to be anything more than a good 3C or average 2c. Miller has the potential to be a top 15 player in the league. I don’t think Chytil will ever be a better player than Miller. If you can get Miller with Chytil being the roster piece going back and you don’t give up Perrault or a 1st then I’m thrilled.

I think it’s pretty simple, Drury sees Miller as his answer to Matthew Tkachuk or just the overall malaise and blandness of this team.

Bold is the rule
this is a valid exception
it is not w'o risk/downside, but pros outweigh cons
given thin pivot depth would prefer to do this w'o Chytil, but can go if nec

Miller is also 31 with a big contract and multiple years left...and wears out his welcome pretty fast wherever he goes.Personally I would stay away,but this team does things ass backwards.Always has, always will

fair pts, proper to note
exception to the rule

There is a rumor that Zib will only accept a trade to east coast team so his wife will have a shorter plane ride to and from Sweden.

As a big fan of Brad Park, I have an initial predisposition to be favorable to your posts; a guy with this clever a username has to typically hit more than miss w/his posts.
Now even ever the more so if you can contribute to a zib exit solution!

If Nash is not too far interior [perhaps offset b'c it is more north than FL] that leaves {north -> south, closest to furthest, approx}:
Boston
LI
NJ
maybe Phila? - prob not
DC
Panthers
Lightning

did I forget anything?

assume this list/premise is true

what deals can we come up with

may be biz coupla days...
peace out