Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[Mac n Gs]

If they wanted to just do bad contact for bad contract, there is a cursed Zibanejad for Seth Jones swap.

I’ve been so scared to throw this one out there, so thank you for being the one to post it

 

[eco's bones]

Honest question. What makes you think that?

Since the x-mas break and up until last nights game Mika was among the best if not the best player on the team and the stats back that up. So what gives?

The Zibanejad I remember from a couple years ago could bring the puck up the ice with speed and drive defenders back or turn them. He would get to the front of the net and was a goal scoring threat in all situations. He was one of our most aware and best defensive forwards and arguably our best forward. He didn't make defensive gaffes or soft plays. He wasn't a super physical player but he wasn't shy either and these things all have gotten worse....some of them noticeably worse this season. His 5v5 scoring disappeared last year and we're still waiting for it to reappear. His defensive play this year has been terrible and we've lost multiple games because of soft plays he made......though K'Andre could be pointed out for that too. Last night was another not so very good game. He's -25 and nobody else is even close to that.

I've seen players rebound from inexplicably bad seasons before but his 5V5 goal scoring having gone dry for 2 years now I find pretty concerning. It's not like he's not gotten opportunity---top 6 ice time, power play. I think he's a main reason why we've dropped so much this year and are on the outside looking in.

 

[Siddi]

I dont get the love for Eichel and wanting him here yesterday. The guy was a non factor on Vegas cup run. He went goalless for the last 11 games of that run.

He would have been killed for that performance if he were a Ranger.

 

[noncents]

If they wanted to just do bad contact for bad contract, there is a cursed Zibanejad for Seth Jones swap.

mother of god

 

[Siddi]

The Zibanejad I remember from a couple years ago could bring the puck up the ice with speed and drive defenders back or turn them. He would get to the front of the net and was a goal scoring threat in all situations. He was one of our most aware and best defensive forwards and arguably our best forward. He didn't make defensive gaffes or soft plays. He wasn't a super physical player but he wasn't shy either and these things all have gotten worse....some of them noticeably worse this season. His 5v5 scoring disappeared last year and we're still waiting for it to reappear. His defensive play this year has been terrible and we've lost multiple games because of soft plays he made......though K'Andre could be pointed out for that too. Last night was another not so very good game. He's -25 and nobody else is even close to that.

I've seen players rebound from inexplicably bad seasons before but his 5V5 goal scoring having gone dry for 2 years now I find pretty concerning. It's not like he's not gotten opportunity---top 6 ice time, power play. I think he's a main reason why we've dropped so much this year and are on the outside looking in.

All well and good but you didnt answer my question.

Mika has shown improvement and his trajectory is positive while Kreider is the opposite. How come you have more faith in Kreider turning it around despite being older and apparently more injury prone on top of being outperformed by Mika?

I mean, it was clear as day for everyone that as soon as Mika got away from Kreider his game started to improve. Not even the most fervent Mika haters could deny that and many of them even admitted as much.

Edit: Just to clarify, I am not calling you a Mika hater.

 

[Savant]

I’ve been so scared to throw this one out there, so thank you for being the one to post it

Both teams would probably hate it, which is a good sign its probably fair

 

[Mac n Gs]

I dont get the love for Eichel and wanting him here yesterday. The guy was a non factor on Vegas cup run. He went goalless for the last 11 games of that run.

He would have been killed for that performance if he were a Ranger.

The leading scorer on a Cup-winning team was a non-factor?

I think it’s silly to plan on trying to sign Eichel if he hits UFA, McDavid too, for numerous reasons, but your comment is just not true.

 

[NYR Viper]

There's no scenario where I trade Schneider for Miller.

There are scenarios in which I trade Schneider.

 

[Siddi]

delete

The leading scorer on a Cup-winning team was a non-factor?

I think it’s silly to plan on trying to sign Eichel if he hits UFA, McDavid too, for numerous reasons, but your comment is just not true.

We bash our players for not scoring enough despite them producing otherwise.

I get it, winning the cup kind of masks these flaws but still.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

JT Miller has been atrocious all season. He makes bad reads defensively 4-5 times per game, which directly lead to goals against. Last night's example was just one of many that have occurred all year. This version of JT Miller would fit right in with Panarin and Lafreniere, who at times seem to think playing defense is optional.

This might be true but last nights example was a terrible example.

If he’s dogging it there though that’s all the reason to stay away. That’s what he did on the way out of here and why he was moved to begin with.

 

[bernmeister]

Honest question. What makes you think that?

Since the x-mas break and up until last nights game Mika was among the best if not the best player on the team and the stats back that up. So what gives?

wrong, and eye test says his soft def has cost us

I'm not a big plus/minus guy because it includes up to 11 other players. With that said when 1 player (Zibs) is so much worse than the rest of the team including his own linemates it is alarming. Now if the team was a crazy minus and the player was in line with that per minute I could see it but the Zibs situation this year has not been good.

full concur

The Zibanejad I remember from a couple years ago could bring the puck up the ice with speed and drive defenders back or turn them. He would get to the front of the net and was a goal scoring threat in all situations. He was one of our most aware and best defensive forwards and arguably our best forward. He didn't make defensive gaffes or soft plays. He wasn't a super physical player but he wasn't shy either and these things all have gotten worse....some of them noticeably worse this season. His 5v5 scoring disappeared last year and we're still waiting for it to reappear. His defensive play this year has been terrible and we've lost multiple games because of soft plays he made......though K'Andre could be pointed out for that too. Last night was another not so very good game. He's -25 and nobody else is even close to that.

I've seen players rebound from inexplicably bad seasons before but his 5V5 goal scoring having gone dry for 2 years now I find pretty concerning. It's not like he's not gotten opportunity---top 6 ice time, power play. I think he's a main reason why we've dropped so much this year and are on the outside looking in.

well said
and this is why regardless of Kreider, zib has to go -- yesterday

All well and good but you didnt answer my question.

Mika has shown improvement and his trajectory is positive while Kreider is the opposite. How come you have more faith in Kreider turning it around despite being older and apparently more injury prone on top of being outperformed by Mika?

I mean, it was clear as day for everyone that as soon as Mika got away from Kreider his game started to improve. Not even the most fervent Mika haters could deny that and many of them even admitted as much.

Edit: Just to clarify, I am not calling you a Mika hater.

total bs
Kreider has suffered trying to prob ub hapless mika
acid test: Kreider scores, his lines show energy, drive, etc
Mika useless on offense, and his worthless def costs us on every line

give it up

 

[Siddi]

total bs
Kreider has suffered trying to prob ub hapless mika
acid test: Kreider scores, his lines show energy, drive, etc
Mika useless on offense, and his worthless def costs us on every line

give it up

 

[McRanger92]

Rantanen playing C for Colorado. Interesting.

(They'll trade MIDdlestadt and fit in Mikko longterm somehow)

 

[duhmetreE]

The leading scorer on a Cup-winning team was a non-factor?

I think it’s silly to plan on trying to sign Eichel if he hits UFA, McDavid too, for numerous reasons, but your comment is just not true.

I don’t know what I’d do if we got to watch a player like McDavid every night.

Defer 100M since that’s a thing now

This might be true but last nights example was a terrible example.

If he’s dogging it there though that’s all the reason to stay away. That’s what he did on the way out of here and why he was moved to begin with.

He’d probably be good for a couple years.

It’s only worth it if we shed Zibs contract

 

[McRanger92]

Nemec for JT makes a lot of sense. I wonder if the Canucks are leaking this as pressure on Drury. My antennae are up for media negotiations with all this Pete Alonso bullcrap in Mets land.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Remember when every analytics guru on this site had wet dreams about this guy last year?

Ahem, **taps the sign below**

@Machinehead feels personally attacked.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

 

[Profet]

This is FANTASTIC!

(If your only goal is to make the playoffs)


This isn't a contending team. And I don't think they have the pieces to make it a contending team.

Tear it down.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Schneider for Miller would encompass everything wrong with this team and just solidify that I should put zero faith in the management until they’re all fired

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It amazes me that Kakko can step into a new org, with top minutes and PP time, immediately play the best hockey he has played at the NHL level…and people don’t want to admit something is rotten here.

That the NYR failure to draft productive offensive talent is somehow just “bad luck.” “Bad drafting” “Players needing a fresh start” “He wasn’t going to do that here”

I understand it may be more comforting to believe your favorite team is just cursed by some magical force, rather than woefully inept with a deeply ingrained disfunctional culture.

But at some point the cognitive dissonance has to be too much to ignore.

Why are you acting like he's a PPG player over an NHL season? He's had nice stretches here including this season. Dude plays like 11 games and all of the people that hate this organization are doing a victory lap. Congratulations, I guess.

 

[McRanger92]

There's no scenario where I trade Schneider for Miller.

There are scenarios in which I trade Schneider.

Im intrigued by something around Cozens and Schneider. I think we can backfill RD and we desperately need a big, young center who isn't a huge injury risk. Get him out of Buffalo and he'll thrive.

 

[effen]

There is nothing rotten with the NYR organization and there's no reason to think so. People need to take a statistics class a local community college and talk with some stoners about probability.

Also, Mittlestadt has been a losing player most of his career, this is the least surprising outcome ever.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

This is FANTASTIC!

(If your only goal is to make the playoffs)


This isn't a contending team. And I don't think they have the pieces to make it a contending team.

Tear it down.

This is FANTASTIC!

(If your only goal is to make the playoffs)


This isn't a contending team. And I don't think they have the pieces to make it a contending team.

Tear it down.

They can’t really tear it down. They can trade Lindgren and other spare parts for possibly late 2nd rounders sure. Igor Mika Kreider are not going anywhere. Panarin probably isnt either.

next 4 games CBJ MON OTT PHI. 4 East teams ahead of us in the standings. Will be interesting.

 

[effen]

Mika has been an average 2nd line player during his resurgence, let's not get things very twisted here.

He was actively sabotaging games before that, woop dee doo he's not at 1% of his game he's just at his 20%. Zippity doo da.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

There is nothing rotten with the NYR organization and there's no reason to think so. People need to take a statistics class a local community college and talk with some stoners about probability.

Also, Mittlestadt has been a losing player most of his career, this is the least surprising outcome ever.

People have been waiting to brag about how they're right.

If we're bad at developing prospects, did Seattle fix his development in 13 games? It's absurd.

Also top 4 D plus two picks, including a 3rd rounder is perfectly adequate for a middle 6 player at best. We got a good return for a good, not great player. If Borgen was a bum instead of a pretty good player who upgraded our biggest weakness ok. But right now it just looks like a big circle jerk of people who want to brag about how much they were right and shitting on the Rangers.