Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[NYR Viper]

Personally think the Rangers are going to sign Borgen and bite the bullet on including Schneider in a JT trade. Mancini 3rd pair. Mika and Kreider situations probably dealt with separately in the summer. Just feels like thats where the wind is blowing.

If this happens, Vancouver should retain

 

[McRanger92]

If this happens, Vancouver should retain

Never gonna happen when he's got 5 years left.

 

[noncents]

Who knows what Drury is going to do. He might just keep both of them and hope that the team goes on a run and squeaks into the playoffs. He might be a buyer at the deadline and trade off younger assets and our 1st run draft pick for rentals.....even with a pretty damn good chance we don't make the playoffs.

he sure might!

 

[NickyFotiu]

I'm not a big plus/minus guy because it includes up to 11 other players. With that said when 1 player (Zibs) is so much worse than the rest of the team including his own linemates it is alarming. Now if the team was a crazy minus and the player was in line with that per minute I could see it but the Zibs situation this year has not been good.

 

[Fitzy]

Personally think the Rangers are going to sign Borgen and bite the bullet on including Schneider in a JT trade. Mancini 3rd pair. Mika and Kreider situations probably dealt with separately in the summer. Just feels like thats where the wind is blowing.

If Vancouver wanted Schneider I wouldn't say he's off the table. That said I think NYR can run with 4 competent RD long term.

You can

A) Move Fox to the left side, which I actually think would be a lot more seamless than it would be for a more traditional blueliner.

B) Move someone else to the left on a lower pairing.

I still think NYR need a top defenseman, so my dream would be

1st pairing LHD- Fox
Miller-Schneider
Vaak/Mancini-Borgen

Assuming of course that we don't trade Miller. Miller could always recover, improve, work better with a different D coach. I'm ambivalent on what to do with him still though I wouldn't shed a tear if both he and Lindgren were dealt mid season or offseason. Th general idea is that I think we should be focused on getting te best defensive 6 we can with depth, and worry little to not-at-all about handedness in the process. It had it's hayday from like 2009-2024 but 3LHD and 3RHD I think is going to become less in vogue moving forward.

 

[McRanger92]

If Vancouver wanted Schneider I wouldn't say he's off the table. That said I think NYR can run with 4 competent RD long term.

You can

A) Move Fox to the left side, which I actually think would be a lot more seamless than it would be for a more traditional blueliner.

B) Move someone else to the left on a lower pairing.

I still think NYR need a top defenseman, so my dream would be

1st pairing LHD- Fox
Miller-Schneider
Vaak/Mancini-Borgen

Assuming of course that we don't trade Miller. Miller could always recover, improve, work better with a different D coach. I'm ambivalent on what to do with him still though I wouldn't shed a tear if both he and Lindgren were dealt mid season or offseason. Th general idea is that I think we should be focused on getting te best defensive 6 we can with depth, and worry little to not-at-all about handedness in the process. It had it's hayday from like 2009-2024 but 3LHD and 3RHD I think is going to become less in vogue moving forward.

Very open to moving Schneider to the left side where he looked solid earlier this year with a checked out Trouba. This is the time in the trajectory of this team where I would be encouraged to see outside the box thinking.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

It amazes me that Kakko can step into a new org, with top minutes and PP time, immediately play the best hockey he has played at the NHL level…and people don’t want to admit something is rotten here.

That the NYR failure to draft productive offensive talent is somehow just “bad luck.” “Bad drafting” “Players needing a fresh start” “He wasn’t going to do that here”

I understand it may be more comforting to believe your favorite team is just cursed by some magical force, rather than woefully inept with a deeply ingrained disfunctional culture.

But at some point the cognitive dissonance has to be too much to ignore.

 

[McRanger92]

It amazes me that Kakko can step into a new org, with top minutes and PP time, immediately play the best hockey he has played at the NHL level…and people don’t want to admit something is rotten here.

That the NYR failure to draft productive offensive talent is somehow just “bad luck.” “Bad drafting” “Players needing a fresh start” “He wasn’t going to do that here”

I understand it may be more comforting to believe your favorite team is just cursed by some magical force, rather than woefully inept with a deeply ingrained disfunctional culture.

But at some point the cognitive dissonance has to be too much to ignore.

Our veteran core guys strongarmed the organization (directly or indirectly) into competing sooner than the young players were ready. Kakko had a bad attitude by the end and wasnt going to re-up here. Cant say I blame the guy for being checked out the last few years knowing he wasnt a priority. Now he's thriving on a top line with a team that has no pressure from fans or media.

The cultural problem with the veteran guys is why they need to be and will be phased out. They are not terrible players but the effort and compete level from them has never been consistent enough for a cup winning team. this complacency trickles down to our young players, who plateau because they can't self-motivate with a team of stars who a lot of the time play like they could care less. I still have faith in the foundation but the centerpieces all suck.

 

[Guyute]

JT Miller is going to request a trade to the Rangers at some point. We have all seen this movie many times. It's reaching DEFCON 1 in Vancouver.

Any Canucks fans disgusted with the idea of a JT Miller for Zibanejad trade a few weeks ago must be changing their minds rather quickly. He's dogging it in Vancouver harder than any Ranger did during the Trouba trade fiasco.

 

[dino26]

I hope we dont do a Mika for JT trade.

 

[McRanger92]

Any Canucks fans disgusted with the idea of a JT Miller for Zibanejad trade a few weeks ago must be changing their minds rather quickly. He's dogging it in Vancouver harder than any Ranger did during the Trouba trade fiasco.

Despite the surface level EP40 trade rumors, JT i'm sure sees the writing on the wall. Canucks made their choice and the call out of Pettersson by Allvin was more to motivate their guy than put it out there that he'll be traded. Seems a bit unfair to Miller who has been nothing but a great player for them since he's been there. Most of their fans seem love him. He'll bounce back in a place that wants him and he can be himself which is why I think he wants to be here. It's not a Trouba situation where the guy was unplayable for years before he checked out.

You can set yout watch to the Rangers overpaying for a guy who wants to be here though. MSL and Kane come to mind lol. We'll see what happens.

 

[Guyute]

I hope we dont do a Mika for JT trade.

It's an easy yes for the difference in contract structure alone. JT Miller only has a NMC for two more seasons. Mika has a NMC for the rest of his 5 years aside from the last 2 months of the final season when it changes to a NTC (FU DRURY).

 

[Guyute]

Despite the surface level EP40 trade rumors, JT i'm sure sees the writing on the wall. Canucks made their choice and the call out of Pettersson by Allvin was more to motivate their guy than put it out there that he'll be traded. Seems a bit unfair to Miller who has been nothing but a great player for them since he's been there. Most of their fans seem love him. He'll bounce back in a place that wants him and he can be himself which is why I think he wants to be here. It's not a Trouba situation where the guy was unplayable for years before he checked out.

You can set yout watch to the Rangers overpaying for a guy who wants to be here though. MSL and Kane come to mind lol. We'll see what happens.

JT Miller has been atrocious all season. He makes bad reads defensively 4-5 times per game, which directly lead to goals against. Last night's example was just one of many that have occurred all year. This version of JT Miller would fit right in with Panarin and Lafreniere, who at times seem to think playing defense is optional.

 

[McRanger92]

JT Miller has been atrocious all season. He makes bad reads defensively 4-5 times per game, which directly lead to goals against. Last night's example was just one of many that have occurred all year. This version of JT Miller would fit right in with Panarin and Lafreniere, who at times seem to think playing defense is optional.

I don't doubt it. The clips on social media are bad. But they are 30 second clips. Change of scenery does the body good. Especially in a place where he is wanted by management and his intensity is needed. Opening Night 2025 he'll be a Ranger I think.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

Personally think the Rangers are going to sign Borgen and bite the bullet on including Schneider in a JT trade. Mancini 3rd pair. Mika and Kreider situations probably dealt with separately in the summer. Just feels like thats where the wind is blowing.

This is basically the exact thought that I had. You sign Borgen and replace Schneider with Mancini. I'd really hate to lose Schneider but from roster building perspective it makes total sense.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It amazes me that Kakko can step into a new org, with top minutes and PP time, immediately play the best hockey he has played at the NHL level…and people don’t want to admit something is rotten here.

That the NYR failure to draft productive offensive talent is somehow just “bad luck.” “Bad drafting” “Players needing a fresh start” “He wasn’t going to do that here”

I understand it may be more comforting to believe your favorite team is just cursed by some magical force, rather than woefully inept with a deeply ingrained disfunctional culture.

But at some point the cognitive dissonance has to be too much to ignore.

this should be stickied on every thread in this forum until the end of time tbh

 

[McRanger92]

This is basically the exact thought that I had. You sign Borgen and replace Schneider with Mancini. I'd really hate to lose Schneider but from roster building perspective it makes total sense.

Yeah it's not really computing in my head my Braden Schneider is untouchable but the guy who just got here already passed him on the depth chart. Posturing? From the small sample I think Mancini has better offensive instincts. I like Schneider he just hasnt taken the leap I thought he would once Trouba got axed.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I hope we dont do a Mika for JT trade.

why?

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

This is basically the exact thought that I had. You sign Borgen and replace Schneider with Mancini. I'd really hate to lose Schneider but from roster building perspective it makes total sense.

Or just see if you can convince Vancouver to take Mancini instead? If Miller is so hellbent on coming here, and only here, there's no need to include Schneider. If Mancini is good enough to take Schneiders ice here, he should be a suitable replacement in a deal for a malcontent.

 

[McRanger92]

Or just see if you can convince Vancouver to take Mancini instead? If Miller is so hellbent on coming here, and only here, there's no need to include Schneider. If Mancini is good enough to take Schneiders ice here, he should be a suitable replacement in a deal for a malcontent.

That's fine with me. Canucks just covet Schneider according to various reports over the years. Weird situation in Vancouver.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

It amazes me that Kakko can step into a new org, with top minutes and PP time, immediately play the best hockey he has played at the NHL level…and people don’t want to admit something is rotten here.

That the NYR failure to draft productive offensive talent is somehow just “bad luck.” “Bad drafting” “Players needing a fresh start” “He wasn’t going to do that here”

I understand it may be more comforting to believe your favorite team is just cursed by some magical force, rather than woefully inept with a deeply ingrained disfunctional culture.

But at some point the cognitive dissonance has to be too much to ignore.

Edge warned all of us how this team was “treating the kids like assets”.

They had no idea how to do a “rebuild”, or bring them along. It was all just supposed to click, until you’ve turned everyone into a grinder.

 

[McRanger92]

Edge warned all of us how this team was “treating the kids like assets”.

They had no idea how to do a “rebuild”, or bring them along. It was all just supposed to click, until you’ve turned everyone into a grinder.

This is why I feel like it was player initiated. Under Torts and the early AV years, our prospects got thrown right into the fire and a lot of non-lottery type prospects really blossomed.. Once the rebuild started was when the vets got preferential treatment and the kids got punished. Quinn was particular bad at this because NHL veterans didnt respond to his NCAA motivational tactics that worked on teenagers.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

That's fine with me. Canucks just covet Schneider according to various reports over the years. Weird situation in Vancouver.

I don't think Drury should be in a rush to help them out. Miller wants out and he controls where he goes. Just my opinion, but it's Mancini or nothing. There's no need to include Schneider in this scenario unless Drury thinks Miller is the missing piece, which I don't think is the case.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think Drury should be in a rush to help them out. Miller wants out and he controls where he goes. Just my opinion, but it's Mancini or nothing. There's no need to include Schneider in this scenario unless Drury thinks Miller is the missing piece, which I don't think is the case.

For sure. Unfortunately as optimistic as I try to be, I don't forget history. When a big name wants to be here the Rangers usually overpay to get him.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

This is why I feel like it was player initiated. Under Torts and the early AV years, our prospects got thrown right into the fire and a lot of non-lottery type prospects really blossomed.. Once the rebuild started was when the vets got preferential treatment and the kids got punished. Quinn was particular bad at this because NHL veterans didnt respond to his NCAA motivational tactics that worked on teenagers.

Yeah, there’s a certain select few that are running the asylum. Keep purging them out. We need a new culture around here. One that rewards solid play and not “keep putting me out there, eventually the puck will go in.”