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Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

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RangerBoy said:
Pierre LeBrun reported Dallas will be big buyers. Tyler Seguin is out with the hip injury. The Stars have not placed Seguin on LTIR. They are accruing cap space right now. PuckPedia has them with $5.7M of cap space at the deadline. They can get more space with Seguin's money on LTIR. $9.85M. Dallas will wait until after the 4 Nations to make their moves. Top six forward and maybe another forward and top 4 D.

LeBrun mentioned Brock Nelson. I hope Lou re-signs Nelson. Many teams will be interested in Nelson. Only one team can trade for him. I read the Devils are interested in Nelson.

Dallas had interest in Kreider in 2020. $6.5M. He is not a rental. Borgen or Lindgren would fit. Dallas moves Miro to the right side and lines up with Lindell, Lindgren and Harley on the left side.

The Athletic is having another team prospect ranking and Dallas is near the bottom.

What could the Rangers acquire from Dallas besides a late first round pick in 2025? Winnipeg probably wins that division. Mavrik Bourque is starting to find his footing in the NHl. Does Dallas trade him? They seem to like him by moving Johnston off his natural spot in the middle to RW. Bourque is playing in the middle. Their big Swiss D? Probably not.

Dallas is probably not on Kreider's list.

Kreider and Lindgren to Dallas for Bourque and a 1st round pick in 2025.
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We'll even take Nils back.
 
SeanAveryTheGreatOne said:
This might be the stupidest post I've read on this site, and that's saying a lot.

Like @noncents said, it flatly isn't true that Dolan "isn't as involved." He was the one who made the decision to fire Rammer, just as one example. He's the one who implemented the harsh anti-press rules, as a more recent one.

Your citation of Sather having a long tenure is because of Dolan's involvement: he notoriously plays favorites hardcore, and he has a love affair with Glen. He is infamously short-tempered and governs solely based on how much he personally likes someone.

I don't think you said a single correct thing here. Dolan wasn't even the one who "bought" the team - he became CEO of daddy's Cablevision in 1995, and MSG shares (50% of them) fell into Cablevision's lap a year earlier.
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The Dolan fearmongering amongst Rangers fans is ridiculous.

He's a slimy prick and sometimes does stupid things. That's every owner.

The idea that the Rangers are in a unique situation with their ownership is just letting the hockey people off the hook for failing to run the hockey team.
 
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jerseyjinx94 said:
If the team keeps this play up they’ll be battling for a playoff spot and tempted to self rent Lindgren Borgen and Smith
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I really don't think that is true. It's possible that Drury may look to sell and buy for specific pieces in that instance, and by that I mean sell off the guys who he doesn't want to re-sign but may look to add a lower level guy who the team wants to sign anyways for peanuts, or take on a 'bad' contract that could be useful down the stretch.
 
Machinehead said:
The Dolan fearmongering amongst Rangers fans is ridiculous.

He's a slimy prick and sometimes does stupid things. That's every owner.

The idea that the Rangers are in a unique situation with their ownership is just letting the hockey people off the hook for failing to run the hockey team.
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Keep believing what you want to believe. It's a free country.

The part that the fearmongering gets wrong is the assertion that decisions are made for malicious reasons. For example, the promotion as of this year, the 2024-25 NHL and NBA season, of several Dolan's to directorship of MSGE. These roles have real authority in determining the day to day operations of this team, from travel accommodations to strength and conditioning workout regimens for each player. Those decisions are not being made exclusively by hockey people or experts in a field.

Some of us have children, who we see as gifted. Would we not also try and put them in a position to succeed? Whether the outcomes for the team are successful is another story, but you can see the motivations behind installing friends and family members in positions of operational authority as being a form of generosity.

MSGE is publically traded. You can read the tea leaves of proxy statements and 8-K, corporate compensation documents, to identify changes in leadership and overall corporate wellbeing. The CFO named last feb got booted in november. Is it fearmongering to wonder whether such consistent turnover at the top has a trickle down effect to team operations? To wonder whether the best hockey people in the world are interested in working at MSG? I don't think it is.

Anyway I hope that the mandate to "trade a bunch of people" - which came from the top in early Dec - was interpreted as permission to retool. I'm not sure - I still think Dolan wants to win this year, wants to go for it, and thinks this team has the goods. It's why I made the bet with Effen. $50 to charity is worth it if we don't trade a 1st, I just think we will.
 
noncents said:
Keep believing what you want to believe. It's a free country.

The part that the fearmongering gets wrong is the assertion that decisions are made for malicious reasons. For example, the promotion as of this year, the 2024-25 NHL and NBA season, of several Dolan's to directorship of MSGE. These roles have real authority in determining the day to day operations of this team, from travel accommodations to strength and conditioning workout regimens for each player. Those decisions are not being made exclusively by hockey people or experts in a field.

Some of us have children, who we see as gifted. Would we not also try and put them in a position to succeed? Whether the outcomes for the team are successful is another story, but you can see the motivations behind installing friends and family members in positions of operational authority as being a form of generosity.

MSGE is publically traded. You can read the tea leaves of proxy statements and 8-K, corporate compensation documents, to identify changes in leadership and overall corporate wellbeing. The CFO named last feb got booted in november. Is it fearmongering to wonder whether such consistent turnover at the top has a trickle down effect to team operations? To wonder whether the best hockey people in the world are interested in working at MSG? I don't think it is.

Anyway I hope that the mandate to "trade a bunch of people" - which came from the top in early Dec - was interpreted as permission to retool. I'm not sure - I still think Dolan wants to win this year, wants to go for it, and thinks this team has the goods. It's why I made the bet with Effen. $50 to charity is worth it if we don't trade a 1st, I just think we will.
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You go from "maybe the financial decisions Dolan makes have a trickle down effect" to "let's see if Dolan wants to trade people or not."

The former makes sense. The latter is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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NYR Viper said:
I really don't think that is true. It's possible that Drury may look to sell and buy for specific pieces in that instance, and by that I mean sell off the guys who he doesn't want to re-sign but may look to add a lower level guy who the team wants to sign anyways for peanuts, or take on a 'bad' contract that could be useful down the stretch.
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What about thus team’s transaction history makes you think they won’t be tempted to hold those guys, let them walk (or sign Borgen) and make a run over getting a few dart throw mid round picks
 
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I don’t understand why people think Kakko doesn’t compare to Buchnevich.

Buchnevich developed for 5 years (21-25) at the NHL level and never cracked 21 G or 48 P. Was traded before his age 26 season.

Kakko developed for 5.5 years (18-23) and never cracked 18 G or 40 P. Was traded at 23 midseason.

Both were guys the team was grooming to be a top 6 RW.

Both were traded for less than their perceived future value.

The only difference is Buchnevich was consistently mid and Kakko dealt with injuries and Covid so his production was less. Kakko was arguably a more effective player, putting aside points, than Buch was with the Rangers.
 
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Looking around at contending teams who may be looking to shed a contract or two in order to make additions at the deadline:

Winnipeg - Projected to have $11.432m in cap space
Would they look to dump Alex Iaffalo? $4m cap hit and has 15 points in 45 games played. Averaging just under 13 minutes of ice time per game

Minnesota - Projected $0.0125m in cap space
Yakov Trenin - 3 more years left @ $3.5m. 7 points in 35 games
Ryan Hartman - 2 more years left @ $4m. 14 points in 40 games

Dallas - Projected cap space of $5.78m (but they will also have the benefit of Seguin to IR)
Matt Dumba - 1 more year left @ $3.5m. 2 points in 26 games. Averaging 15:26 per game

LA - Projected to have $10.96m in cap space
Tanner Jeannot - $2.665m through the end of the year - 8 points in 38 games. Averaging 11:39

Toronto - Projected to have $2.13m in cap space
Ryan Reaves - 1 more year @ $1.35m

Florida - Projected to have $0.573m in cap space
Spencer Knight - 1 year left @ $4.5m
 
jerseyjinx94 said:
I don’t understand why people think Kakko doesn’t compare to Buchnevich.

Buchnevich developed for 5 years (21-25) at the NHL level and never cracked 21 G or 48 P. Was traded before his age 26 season.

Kakko developed for 5.5 years (18-23) and never cracked 18 G or 40 P. Was traded at 23 midseason.

Both were guys the team was grooming to be a top 6 RW.

Both were traded for less than their perceived future value.

The only difference is Buchnevich was consistently mid and Kakko dealt with injuries and Covid so his production was less. Kakko was arguably a more effective player, putting aside points, than Buch was with the Rangers.
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The 48 points was in a 54 game season.
 
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Machinehead said:
You go from "maybe the financial decisions Dolan makes have a trickle down effect" to "let's see if Dolan wants to trade people or not."

The former makes sense. The latter is absolutely ridiculous.
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no, i go from "maybe the *personnel* decisions have a trickle down effect" to "let's see if the mandate from Dolan to trade people is meant to resuscitate the season to contend *OR* to prepare a new foundation"

that the mandate to trade exists is factual. you can call it ridiculous, but i'm speaking fact. however i'm speculating as to the objective.
 
noncents said:
no, i go from "maybe the *personnel* decisions have a trickle down effect" to "let's see if the mandate from Dolan to trade people is meant to resuscitate the season to contend *OR* to prepare a new foundation"

that the mandate to trade exists is factual. you can call it ridiculous, but i'm speaking fact. however i'm speculating as to the objective.
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Show me the mandate from Dolan.
 
Peter Baugh wrote an article for The Athletic where he projected what our guys might get.

For Lindgren, he said he might be worth a 2nd to a desperate team. He mentioned EJ and Edmundson and that we could possibly retain. Also said a 2nd is probably higher than they'd get.

For Reilly Smith he pegged it as a 3rd or 4th. Mentioned Duclair deal and Jack Roslovic last year.

For Vesey he said it's probably a 5th or 6th. He mentioned guys like Pat Maroon and Anthony Beauvillier as comps.

On Will Borgen, he said the team has a dilemma as he's probably the most valuable player but they also want to bring him back. He didn't specificy a return but based on what he said for others, you'd think a second or more.

Jones he said doesn't have much value on the market.

Vaakanainen he compared to Ruhwedel and said he may be worth a 4th or around there. He also said the Rangers might want to hold onto him.

Everyone be reasonable with their expectations for these guys if they are moved. Borgen I agree is the most valuable and the rest aren't worth much.
 
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