Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[Flan the incredible]

How good is Rasmus? Significantly better than Schneider? If so he's a really good target.

Well if you like guys who can play over 20 mins a game and play PP and PK you will love him. I would argue with Schneider the Rangers would probably have the beat right side D in the league.

 

[pld459666]

Don’t forget McDonaugh trade. And Hagelin also. Zubov. Oof. And Middleton of course.

Or Ridley and Miller

 

[NYR Viper]

Shane Pinto has really struggled this year. Perhaps that’s a big-low candidate Drury can pounce on. He has another year on his deal after this one.

Tommy Novak is in the same spot. We already saw them trade Carrier for Barron.

Ryan Hartman has reverted back to his original form.

Perhaps Zac Jones in intriguing to them as a bottom pairing defenseman. Those are teams who likely would value the cap space both this year and beyond but may be looking for either a rental for help this season or a young player like Jones.

Would Minnesota trade Hartman for Lindgren at 50%? That save cap space and add a d-man. What about Smith for their playoff push?

Would Nashville trade Novak for Jones? Gain cap flexibility and add a puck mover on the back end?

Would Ottawa trade Pinto for Lindgren at 50%? What about Smith for their playoff push?

I could see Drury making a deal like that. Not buying but not exactly selling.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

keep repeating it, i think you almost believe it!


i have never once suggested that we *should* trade our 1st and othmann for rental band-aids. i think it's an awful idea.

I'm just 100% sure that we *will* do it.

I look forward to revisiting all of these things the second this team drops 3-4 in a row.

 

[n8]

I look forward to revisiting all of these things the second this team drops 3-4 in a row.

For fan reactions? Because we all know Drury is locked in. You'll need more than 3-4 losses to ruin that man's weekend. He's fully bought in to Dolan's Cup or Die directive.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Shane Pinto has really struggled this year. Perhaps that’s a big-low candidate Drury can pounce on. He has another year on his deal after this one.

Tommy Novak is in the same spot. We already saw them trade Carrier for Barron.

Ryan Hartman has reverted back to his original form.

Perhaps Zac Jones in intriguing to them as a bottom pairing defenseman. Those are teams who likely would value the cap space both this year and beyond but may be looking for either a rental for help this season or a young player like Jones.

Would Minnesota trade Hartman for Lindgren at 50%? That save cap space and add a d-man. What about Smith for their playoff push?

Would Nashville trade Novak for Jones? Gain cap flexibility and add a puck mover on the back end?

Would Ottawa trade Pinto for Lindgren at 50%? What about Smith for their playoff push?

I could see Drury making a deal like that. Not buying but not exactly selling.

I think Pinto will be costly even though he's slumping. I like the Novak idea.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

For fan reactions? Because we all know Drury is locked in. You'll need more than 3-4 losses to ruin that man's weekend. He's fully bought in to Dolan's Cup or Die directive.

Yeahhh I think if he wasn’t going to make those moves when this team was locked into a spot and on their way to a presidents trophy, he isn’t doing it when they’re on the outside looking in.

The Dolan Boogeyman is fanfic.

 

[effen]

team had one of its best games last night but we still need to go younger if we are to sustain progress going forward

Zib was more animated on offense, mixed bag on defense w isolated good positioning at times but continuing not to body check well
-- still no effen excuse for him checking out when he effen felt like it
deal this prima donna now for spare parts and partial structural cap recovery

Leave me out of this, bucko.

 

[noncents]

Yeahhh I think if he wasn’t going to make those moves when this team was locked into a spot and on their way to a presidents trophy, he isn’t doing it when they’re on the outside looking in.

The Dolan Boogeyman is fanfic.

you think he was dead set on keeping the 1st last year? after having traded one the previous 2 deadlines?

1st was on the table. the deal just didn't come together.

 

[effen]

you think he was dead set on keeping the 1st last year? after having traded one the previous 2 deadlines?

1st was on the table. the deal just didn't come together.

Everything is always on the table, as it should be.

$50 bet to charity of your choice if Drury deals this coming 1st for either a rental or someone with 1 more year of control?

If he keeps it or deals it for a longer term piece (2+ years of control) I choose the charity.

Deal?

 

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

For fan reactions? Because we all know Drury is locked in. You'll need more than 3-4 losses to ruin that man's weekend. He's fully bought in to Dolan's Playoffs or Die directive.

Duly corrected. The Dolt has not shown the slightest interest in winning a Cup.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

you think he was dead set on keeping the 1st last year? after having traded one the previous 2 deadlines?

1st was on the table. the deal just didn't come together.

He traded a conditional 1st (it vested) and a 1st in a year where he had 2.

Both years the team was better positioned than it is right now.

And he did have opportunities to deal the 1st (plus others) last year. Elias Lindholm and Jake Guentzel were both moved.

He could have gotten either of those guys if he really wanted using your proposed package of Othmann+a 1.

He didn’t. I don’t see him doing it in a year where they’re going to be fringe at best and most likely not in a spot when march 7 rolls around.

If he moves it, I don’t see it being for a rental. Not with where they’re at now.

 

[noncents]

. Power, MacTavish, Lundell, Byfield, etc...

these players don't get traded in the modern nhl. not even for a panarin

 

[effen]

The one bad futures trade, the Kane one, they were so badly prepared for I have to believe the owner forced.

And now he can go back to the owner and point to that debacle and say "not again".

Don't think another bad futures trade is happening.

 

[noncents]

He could have gotten either of those guys if he really wanted using your proposed package of Othmann+a 1.

source on this please. Not a speculation.

 

[bernmeister]

Its so funny that you hold Zib's feet to the fire for not giving 100% but your boy Kreider is a ghost out there at even strength 9 of every 10 games.

wrong
AND
he's dealing w/legit issue = back

zib has zero excuse

 

[The Crypto Guy]

wrong
AND
he's dealing w/legit issue = back

zib has zero excuse

Are you his doctor?

 

[bernmeister]

i'm not sure there are more than 1 or 2 posters on this board who are actually advocating for being sellers at the deadline. Most of us acknowledge this teams core is not capable of winning a Cup, so the right move is to, at the very least, trade some core pieces and retool. which pieces should stay, which should move, and who the targets should be to fill those holes, remains the bulk of the discussion.


But i have been extremely, brutally outspoken the week, since the caps game, that I thought this teams management was going to make the decision to maintain a Win Now Approach.

I saw a change in this teams intensity and mentality, a shift away from the Brokenness we've become accustomed to seeing from them, and with intuition and logic I interpreted the portents. I've written it out like 10 times.

Dolan calls the shots.
Dolan thinks this team is actually good because of their results the past 3 years.
Dolan tells Drury do what you have to do to fix it.
Drury trades Trouba and Kakko.
Drury signs Igor long term.
Kreider finally goes on IR.
Igor gets healthy.
Team starts playing well and winning games. (YOU ARE HERE)

If you assume the Win Now mandate from Dolan is correct, the logical progression here is using our cap space and young assets to replace Chytil/Kreider with proven veterans up front and depth/size on D.

NO you do NOT assume that
IF we are forced down that path b'c he cuts the checks, that's on him'
but it doesn't make it correct
win now = fail = wrong
bend, buckle and break in capitulation to that reality

he had to learn w/Knicks, many failures before going 1-2 yrs setup to get where they are now
he may have to learn again w/Rs
learn w/da bern

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

source on this please. Not a speculation.

Look at what those players returned.

That’s my source.

 

[bernmeister]

Are you his doctor?

Kreider's word is good enuf
so not necessary wise guy
also
it is more than plausible given he is THE ONLY guy who takes a beating in front of the crease incl on PP

do you have eyes w/which to see this?

 

[LOFIN]

wrong
AND
he's dealing w/legit issue = back

zib has zero excuse

If he has an issue, he needs to f***ing sit and fix it. Not play.

 

[bernmeister]

The one bad futures trade, the Kane one, they were so badly prepared for I have to believe the owner forced.

And now he can go back to the owner and point to that debacle and say "not again".

Don't think another bad futures trade is happening.

all the futures trades of recent years were bad/not worth it, except Vatrano for a 4th, and we should have extended him

Shane Pinto has really struggled this year. Perhaps that’s a big-low candidate Drury can pounce on. He has another year on his deal after this one.

Tommy Novak is in the same spot. We already saw them trade Carrier for Barron.

Ryan Hartman has reverted back to his original form.

Perhaps Zac Jones in intriguing to them as a bottom pairing defenseman. Those are teams who likely would value the cap space both this year and beyond but may be looking for either a rental for help this season or a young player like Jones.

Would Minnesota trade Hartman for Lindgren at 50%? That save cap space and add a d-man. What about Smith for their playoff push?

Would Nashville trade Novak for Jones? Gain cap flexibility and add a puck mover on the back end?

Would Ottawa trade Pinto for Lindgren at 50%? What about Smith for their playoff push?

I could see Drury making a deal like that. Not buying but not exactly selling.

don't see where you get the bold

 

[effen]

all the futures trades of recent years were bad/not worth it, except Vatrano for a 4th, and we should have extended him

You only have 50 contract slots. There's a point where magic beans are worth less than even 20 NHL games from an NHLer.

Utah has like 11 2nd rounders the next couple years and they're gonna get 50c on the dollar for them because their org is full.

 

[bernmeister]

If he has an issue, he needs to f***ing sit and fix it. Not play.

you are assuming it is all or nothing
it might be he can go part time w/treatment
and he may be seeing what he can do

but he can't play for himself and try to cover zib's pathetic ass
hope you are reading this, mika

You only have 50 contract slots. There's a point where magic beans are worth less than even 20 NHL games from an NHLer.

Utah has like 11 2nd rounders the next couple years and they're gonna get 50c on the dollar for them because their org is full.

disagree
if they are really smart, they can leverage those 2nds into current + future 1st/2ds

 

[effen]

disagree
if they are really smart, they can leverage those 2nds into current + future 1st/2ds

LOL

Lmao, even.