Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[nyr2k2]

On his wikipedia page they say of Nieves that his final year he signed with Tampa---would have played for his hometown Syracuse AHL team that year but didn't because of a head injury. I don't know how many concussions he had. He might have had a few though. He could really skate and was also really good at carrying the puck. Decent player defensively. Very little creative play and never scored very much either. He could be a very intelligent person but he was low IQ as a hockey player. His point production underwhelmed at Michigan U., with the Hartford AHL team and with the Rangers whenever he got the chance.

Yeah he definitely had at least one concussion with Hartford that I remember being reported and then he also missed time with generic upper body injuries and the speculation was it was a concussion. But you know how those injuries are reported now, rarely does a team actually say that's what it is.

 

[RangerBoy]

Players over 30: The Rangers have an older core, and on the whole, it has underperformed. Chris Kreider has dealt with back issues and is currently on injured reserve with an upper-body injury. He has not been as productive as in past years. Mika Zibanejad has had a difficult season, too, and Vincent Trocheck’s numbers are down. Artemi Panarin has been good but not the force he was in 2023-24. All of that has led to a disappointing season and concern about the core going forward. — Peter Baugh

NHL’s biggest disappointments at 2024-25 midseason: Underwhelming performances and bad vibes

What has been each team's biggest disappointment in the first half? The Athletic posed that question this week to its NHL staff.

www.nytimes.com

All of these guys need to go. They receive 99% of the major minutes on the team suffocating everyone else. You know all of the discontent in the room regarding Goodrow and Trouba comes from this group. Kreider and Trocheck. Mika thinks whatever Kreider thinks. Panarin probably doesn't give a shit. The young guys are concerned about their careers. Fox? Maybe. The guy who engineered his way to NY could be a clubhouse lawyer. Kreider wants to be the guy who hires the trainer.

 

[IDvsEGO]

NHL’s biggest disappointments at 2024-25 midseason: Underwhelming performances and bad vibes

What has been each team's biggest disappointment in the first half? The Athletic posed that question this week to its NHL staff.

www.nytimes.com

All of these guys need to go. They receive 99% of the major minutes on the team suffocating everyone else. You know all of the discontent in the room regarding Goodrow and Trouba comes from this group. Kreider and Trocheck. Mika thinks whatever Kreider thinks. Panarin probably doesn't give a shit. The young guys are concerned about their careers. Fox? Maybe. The guy who engineered his way to NY could be a clubhouse lawyer. Kreider wants to be the guy who hires the trainer.

Panarin doesn’t give a shit? The guy who didn’t want to play with the kids in his first few years? The one who wouldn’t even pass to them when he was forced to?

 

[bernmeister]

Any idea why he retired so young? He was such an awful pick

not awful just misused
he had at least 4 concussions that we know of

 

[bernmeister]

Of the second round pick taken above him, he played more games than 18 of them and probably would have more than a couple others if he didn't have the concussion thing. He wasn't a good pick by any means but it wasn't really that bad, just one that didn't work out. He had a lot of good tools.

kudos on the good assessment
IMO I would say he was a good pick since we agree had lots of good tools
I would say due to multiple concussions, he was unlucky, not not good

 

[jerseyjinx94]

I can’t believe the Rangers traded Kakko and Buchnevich for Sammy Blais, Will Borgen, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 6th

 

[NYR Viper]

There are some guys I’m sure teams wouldn’t mind trading to clear space that could be useful pieces for the Rangers, depending on the path they take. Jeanot. Hartman. Trenin. Some of these guys have term left but perhaps the other teams would retain and provide a decent depth option for this team. Trenin and Dumba specifically.

 

[Fitzy]

Funny how Nashville would be the ideal team to look to for high end players to trade for, if all theirs didn't have NMCs.

 

[SA16]

Claiming Ty Smith would be another savvy move by Drury, especially with the likely trade of Lindgren in the next month or so.

24, has decent numbers, dirt cheap and is an RFA at years end.

He's the same guy as Zac Jones and nobody wants anyone of that type.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Blow Ghoul ftw!!

Are you suggesting Boo J's?

 

[Kocur Dill]

Why in the world would nyr trade possibly one of the top 4 forwards we've ever had in Panarin, we just throwing shit at the wall now

If we tear it down to the studs.

1. Why would he want to stay on a non-contender?
2. What use would he be as a non-contender?
3. The haul we'd get vs his value to a team that's going no-where. Maybe the #1D we desperatly need

Not being a dick, but thats a simple outlook. Like saying why would Boston trade Bourque, or Edmonton Messier, or Phoenix Thachuk. The list goes on and so does business. Asset managment. And, sometimes its whats best for the players career too.

 

[mas0764]

Can we trade for Kaapo Kakko?

 

[Irishguy42]

This team desperately needs scoring depth. The Kraken probably won't make the playoffs, so I wonder how much it would take to pry Kaapo Kakko from them

 

[mas0764]

This team desperately needs scoring depth. The Kraken probably won't make the playoffs, so I wonder how much it would take to pry Kaapo Kakko from them

Maybe we could trade Will Borgen and a fourth.

 

[Sisu4ever]

Let Kakko be. He is finally thriving. If he is forced back it will kill his confidence and it will be a lose/lose deal for both Kakko and NYR.

 

[Irishguy42]

Maybe we could trade Will Borgen and a fourth.

Rangers tax. Perreault + 3rd

 

[kovazub94]

I can’t believe the Rangers traded Kakko and Buchnevich for Sammy Blais, Will Borgen, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 6th

Don’t forget McDonaugh trade. And Hagelin also. Zubov. Oof. And Middleton of course.

 

[mas0764]

I can’t believe the Rangers traded Kakko and Buchnevich for Sammy Blais, Will Borgen, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 6th

I can’t believe they are so pathetic at ever developing an offensive star that they draft.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I can’t believe the Rangers traded Kakko and Buchnevich for Sammy Blais, Will Borgen, a 2nd, a 3rd, and a 6th

Are you seriously comparing Kakko to Buchnevich?

Let Kakko be. He is finally thriving. If he is forced back it will kill his confidence and it will be a lose/lose deal for both Kakko and NYR.

He has 7 points in 10 games. Why are people acting like he's McDavid?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Are you seriously comparing Kakko to Buchnevich?



He has 7 points in 10 games. Why are people acting like he's McDavid?

I don't think anyone is acting like he is mcdavid, but our management acted like he was Jed Ortmeyer and then traded him for pennies on the dollar.. As far as the Buchnevich comparison, if he keeps on playing this way it won't be fair to Buchnevich to compare him to Kakko, because currently he's better than him in this moment.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If we tear it down to the studs.

1. Why would he want to stay on a non-contender?
2. What use would he be as a non-contender?
3. The haul we'd get vs his value to a team that's going no-where. Maybe the #1D we desperatly need

Not being a dick, but thats a simple outlook. Like saying why would Boston trade Bourque, or Edmonton Messier, or Phoenix Thachuk. The list goes on and so does business. Asset managment. And, sometimes its whats best for the players career too.

Panarin is the only player that's been right for this team all year. He's not broken down, playing bad, old or any of that. Removing him from the team is like tossing in the towel, and if we thought trading a couple guys who had lost their game was hard on the rest of the team imagine trading Panarin. I don't think there's a plan to tear this to the studs, imo there's a plan to rid themselves of the dead weight on the team and build it back to a contender on the fly kinda like Washington did. Imo we'll make playoffs, and by next season we'll have a different look without Lindgren, Zibanejad and possibly Kreider and Chytil.

 

[Fitzy]

Are you seriously comparing Kakko to Buchnevich?



He has 7 points in 10 games. Why are people acting like he's McDavid?

He will finish with 35-40 points on the season again.

This is just the short stretch of time where his numbers happen to look the prettiest so all of a sudden everyone has something to say.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

Are you seriously comparing Kakko to Buchnevich?



He has 7 points in 10 games. Why are people acting like he's McDavid?

I’m comparing them in the sense that 5-7 years of development was spent on them, they were mismanaged, play the same position, and were sold for below their value, and will likely get more chances and excel elsewhere. We’ve already seen it with PB

 

[bernmeister]

Panarin is the only player that's been right for this team all year. He's not broken down, playing bad, old or any of that. Removing him from the team is like tossing in the towel, and if we thought trading a couple guys who had lost their game was hard on the rest of the team imagine trading Panarin. I don't think there's a plan to tear this to the studs, imo there's a plan to rid themselves of the dead weight on the team and build it back to a contender on the fly kinda like Washington did. Imo we'll make playoffs, and by next season we'll have a different look without Lindgren, Zibanejad and possibly Kreider and Chytil.

bread is not yet stale, concur
he is old[er] just not yet too old to be unproductive
if this guy was 25, I get yr pt, $$$ aside
but we have other needs, we are not gonna re-sign him cause it will be for too much $$$/term

so since self rental = indulgent wrong choice, we should sell him high max retained to DAL for Bischel + a 1st

Remember Buch deal was FUBAR b'c they did not listen to bern, self-rented tho there was no real chance of deep playoff run, and as a result, were lucky to get what they did when all he had left was a scrap of rfa status
Do not repeat the mistake

Yes, it will hurt short term
but adding young quality assets that = foundation pieces that better build to SUSTAINED long term succes

 

[McRanger92]

Another Kakko thread. Yippee. Hope he sees this fellas.