Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[noncents]

it's fun to think about all the destinations we could send panarin, kreider, smith, lindgren, and even zib/miller to.

I just don't think it will happen. I think we're going for it. Standing pat at TDL.

Viper is right though- we have exactly 1 actually high end talent prospect in Perreault. We have wasted our assets and unless we cash in our current NHL pieces for futures, we have a first this year to hit gold and.. that's it. Look at what Columbus has amassed. Utah. even Carolina has Nikishin and Nadeau coming.

We need an LHD with top pair potential. It's more important than a 1C. Retain on Panarin and Kreider to contenders, Dallas Avs Oilers etc. Pick up a spare winger too, cap dump.

Lafreniere Zibanejad (Arvidsson)
Cuylle Chytil Perreault
Othmann Trocheck Berard
Edstrom Carrick Brodzinsky

that's your lineup next year - essentially tanking again but putting young guys on PP1 and feeding them mins.

 

[McRanger92]

Rangers need a youth movement, not a tank or rebuild.

 

[bernmeister]

Which teams would want Panarin? He seems like a tough fit for some of these teams. The Kings play with so much defensive structure. Panarin can't play that way. The Avs were interested in signing him in 2019. They offered him a shorter term contract. I was watching the Habs-Avs last night. Colorado would fit for Panarin. They don't play the lock it down and worry about offense. A two for one. Lehkonen and Manson(Silverfish's favorite player) for Panarin. Lehkonen and Manson have 12 team NTC's. Lehkonen has two more seasons left at $4.5M and Manson has one more season at $4.5M. Panarin has one more season at $11,642,857. The Avs would be taking on $2,642,857. Maybe the Avs send back Drouin's $2.5M for this season to make the money work if necessary. The Rangers waive Drouin and tell him he doesn't fit in their plans. Panarin would probably waive for Colorado. Lehkonen is a really good player signed at a very good number. The Rangers were interested in him in 2022. Maybe the Avs throw in the Rangers 2nd round pick in 2025 from Utah. Dallas likes to lock it down. They have given up the fewest goals in the league. Dallas and LA have given less than 100 goals. The Avs are the best fit for Panarin. He would probably go there. It could create cap issues for next season with Rantanen looking for the bag. MacKinnon. Rantanen. Panarin. Makar. Lehkonen can play anywhere in the top 9 and Manson fills a spot on RD when Borgen gets traded. The Rangers could always flip Manson in the summer.

imo DAL is the best fit/return
bread at half-ish 5.1+ = 6 per for Bich. + 2nd
3rd team like ANA retains another coupla mil this season and next

Zibs was fine yesterday.

no
improved yes, fine no
his def in particular continued to suck ass big time

 

[Good Intentions]

The “ignore” feature is something I will need to explore. Too much video game dynasty mode slop here.

 

[deathb4disco]

This blaming the current regime for the draft picks of the former is getting old. There is a reason Drury cleaned house. His picks have been solid so far.
This is obviously a flawed team, is there talent? Sure but it's mismatched and not deployed right. The D needs a overhaul, we need a #1 center that sets the tone. We have plenty of grit for today's NHL we need players who are fast and compete. We need to play a D system that caters to our strengths.
Trade Z and Miller for JT, take Kreider and whoever else and trade for pick assets, tank this year get a high pick.
If a number 1 center prospect becomes available use the assets to grab him. JT holds the fort until that guy is ready.
Move with intention not desperation. I think Drury has the right idea, hes been hindered by NMc's and cap space. Lets see what he can do now with some breathing room.

 

[haohmaru]

no
improved yes, fine no
his def in particular continued to suck ass big time

Zibanejad was on for more goals for than against.

 

[MrAlmost]

Lindgren, Smith, Vesey, Borgen, and Quick get you back a good amount of picks. Maybe Vaak and Jones are dealt too.

Kreider will get you a good prospect and a pick.

After that are the unknowns. Maybe Z waives. Maybe not. Maybe Panarin and Igor want out. I'm sure Drury will ask them.

Trading young players right now is dumb cause their potential is often what we are looking for in a trade.

Sign Gavrikov day 1. Maybe a 2nd or 3rd gets you Walman?

Gavrikov-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Walman-Mancini

Of course, gotta get a new coach.

 

[DekeR]

There was another league wide memo sent out from the core of the NYRs. It read that there will be no more professional hockey put on display from the core of players of the NYRs. And to think that Quick will probably never see 400 wins with this club.

 

[Vitto79]

There was another league wide memo sent out from the core of the NYRs. It read that there will be no more professional hockey put on display from the core of players of the NYRs. And to think that Quick will probably never see 400 wins with this club.

I says pardon ?

Rangers need a youth movement, not a tank or rebuild.

I’m ready let’s get creative to atleast move money out and bring kids and picks in

We all know they will take a look at UFAs

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Rangers need a youth movement, not a tank or rebuild.

I don’t know if they need a youth movement.

They need to try to rid themselves of the big 3 and ice an actual NHL defense.

If they were to accomplish the former, you can bet your ass they would spend money to fill one of those roles. Maybe 2.

The meat and potatoes comment doesn’t give me a whole lot of confidence. It’s the last thing we need on defense. Ryan Lindgren is meat and potatoes, he’s f***ing awful.

 

[haohmaru]

There was another league wide memo sent out from the core of the NYRs. It read that there will be no more professional hockey put on display from the core of players of the NYRs. And to think that Quick will probably never see 400 wins with this club.

It also read that DekeR isn't allowed attempts at humor anymore.

 

[McRanger92]

I don’t know if they need a youth movement.

They need to try to rid themselves of the big 3 and ice an actual NHL defense.

If they were to accomplish the former, you can bet your ass they would spend money to fill one of those roles. Maybe 2.

The meat and potatoes comment doesn’t give me a whole lot of confidence. It’s the last thing we need on defense. Ryan Lindgren is meat and potatoes, he’s f***ing awful.

The meat and potatoes to me are guys who do the little things, particularly on defense and in the neutral zone that no one outside of choice few on this team can do. They definitely need a guy like that in the top 6. And they need 2 physical+mobile defenseman (at least one capable of playing 20+ minutes.

You're right about the big 3. I think a Kreider trade is imminent this season. I find it hard to see it getting better with him here when the Rangers organizational strength is on the wing (Laf, Cuylle, Berard, Edstrom, Othmann, Perreault, Rempe). Same goes for Panarin but that could be more of a run out the clock situation with only a year remaining, unless he pulls a Gaborik. Mika, we might be stuck with. But at least he's a center, and at least he can do a middle 6 C's job if he gets right, even if he's overpaid. If he's unhappy and moping because his friends are gone, thats a good thing because he will request a trade.

 

[McRanger92]

I says pardon ?



I’m ready let’s get creative to atleast move money out and bring kids and picks in

We all know they will take a look at UFAs

No issues here with this team falling into top 5 pick range. Many teams have taken a reload year (if you want to label it anything) between deep runs in the playoffs. Between Lindgren, Borgen, Smith I think you can hopefully get 3 2nd-3rd picks. Kreider and K'Andre go in hockey trades to get young on D an/or at C. Im high on the youth. Cuylle, Berard, Chytil, Edstrom are making plays every night. A guy like Laffy should be playing with them. Fox on the ice with them too instead of checked out Panarin.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don’t know if they need a youth movement.

They need to try to rid themselves of the big 3 and ice an actual NHL defense.

If they were to accomplish the former, you can bet your ass they would spend money to fill one of those roles. Maybe 2.

The meat and potatoes comment doesn’t give me a whole lot of confidence. It’s the last thing we need on defense. Ryan Lindgren is meat and potatoes, he’s f***ing awful.

Lindgren is pretty much just potatoes

 

[AirGut]

If we can get Schaefer our top-4 could very quickly look like,

Fortescue-Fox
Schaefer-Schneider

 

[Gardner McKay]

I don’t know if they need a youth movement.

They need to try to rid themselves of the big 3 and ice an actual NHL defense.

If they were to accomplish the former, you can bet your ass they would spend money to fill one of those roles. Maybe 2.

The meat and potatoes comment doesn’t give me a whole lot of confidence. It’s the last thing we need on defense. Ryan Lindgren is meat and potatoes, he’s f***ing awful.

There was a ton of meat and potatoes on Florida.

I think we're scared because Lindgren is rotting meat and green potatoes.

 

[Synergy27]

Lindgren is pretty much just mashed potatoes

FTFY

 

[noncents]

No issues here with this team falling into top 5 pick range. Many teams have taken a reload year (if you want to label it anything) between deep runs in the playoffs. Between Lindgren, Borgen, Smith I think you can hopefully get 3 2nd-3rd picks. Kreider and K'Andre go in hockey trades to get young on D an/or at C. Im high on the youth. Cuylle, Berard, Chytil, Edstrom are making plays every night. A guy like Laffy should be playing with them. Fox on the ice with them too instead of checked out Panarin.

the problem with a reload year is that we don't have any depth on defense coming for another 2+ years. Fortescue, Emery.. and that's it. Lindgren is out, Jones seems on the way out, and everyone wants to get rid of Miller. Without moving out Panarin/Zibanejad level salary (both requiring clause waiver), we can't rebuild the entire left side into a competitive group. Whatever forwards you're drooling over, this teams biggest deficiency is on defense.

 

[IDvsEGO]

There was a ton of meat and potatoes on Florida.

I think we're scared because Lindgren is rotting meat and green potatoes.

With skill…
Reinhardt has tons of skill
Bennett has skill (top 5 pick)
Tkachuk has tons of skill

Don’t confuse meat and potatoes for just north south players who are physical with talent.
The term “meat and potatoes” implies bland and straight forward. That’s not the majority of players on Florida’s cup team.

That’s why the phrase is a terrible one.
Meat and potatoes would be getting back to the worst part of the lundquist era, where we couldn’t score for shit.

 

[McRanger92]

the problem with a reload year is that we don't have any depth on defense coming for another 2+ years. Fortescue, Emery.. and that's it. Lindgren is out, Jones seems on the way out, and everyone wants to get rid of Miller. Without moving out Panarin/Zibanejad level salary (both requiring clause waiver), we can't rebuild the entire left side into a competitive group. Whatever forwards you're drooling over, this teams biggest deficiency is on defense.

That's where they are going to have to spend their money. Trust me Ive been harping on the defense for years. They need to add probably 2 20 minute a night guys. Guys who are fast and physical.

 

[NYR Viper]

This has been handed out more than once but if you just look at what assets Drury has to trade

Lindgren - 2nd + 6th
Smith - 3rd + 5th
Vesey - 5th
Jones - 3rd + 6th
Borgen - 2nd + 5th

The big returns should be guys like

Kreider - 1st + very good prospect + 2nd next year
Trochek - 1st + 1st + very good prospect
Panarin - 1st + 1st + very good prospect + depth prospect

There’s your rebuild

 

[noncents]

This has been handed out more than once but if you just look at what assets Drury has to trade

Lindgren - 2nd + 6th
Smith - 3rd + 5th
Vesey - 5th
Jones - 3rd + 6th
Borgen - 2nd + 5th

The big returns should be guys like

Kreider - 1st + very good prospect + 2nd next year
Trochek - 1st + 1st + very good prospect
Panarin - 1st + 1st + very good prospect + depth prospect

There’s your rebuild

we are not getting these prices yall. trocheck gets a 2nd and depth prospect. kreider gets a 2nd. lindgren gets a 5th

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

If we can get Schaefer our top-4 could very quickly look like,

Fortescue-Fox
Schaefer-Schneider

If we get Schaefer and don’t automatically attach him to Fox I’m going to drop kick the entire organization.

we are not getting these prices yall. trocheck gets a 2nd and depth prospect. kreider gets a 2nd. lindgren gets a 5th

Meme’ing?

 

[Vitto79]

This has been handed out more than once but if you just look at what assets Drury has to trade

Lindgren - 2nd + 6th
Smith - 3rd + 5th
Vesey - 5th
Jones - 3rd + 6th
Borgen - 2nd + 5th

The big returns should be guys like

Kreider - 1st + very good prospect + 2nd next year
Trochek - 1st + 1st + very good prospect
Panarin - 1st + 1st + very good prospect + depth prospect

There’s your rebuild

They won’t move all of those top players
Kreider only one that makes sense this year to me

 

[Fitzy]

They won’t move all of those top players
Kreider only one that makes sense this year to me

Even if we move all f his top list ad Kreider that is a massive, massive roster overhaul.

Only problem is most of the turnover is at the periphery. I think OP was trying to 'rebuildmax' and I don't think that's likely. Kreider and maybe Zib are the guys at the top to go.