Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)

[bernmeister]

Or even better yet, never hire Da Bern to be your GM.

or even best of all, have some objective review to what everyone says!
Then we can measure both bern and his detractors!!

and in the instant item, we can recognize that the case for dealing Fox now, while that is a possible thing, for lots of useful assets, is >>> than standing pat, he gets full protection clause(s), and can ONLY get slower-> less productive

never is absolute
only God is absolute
(almost) never say never

 

[bernmeister]

AN OPEN LETTER TO NYRs

relative to any blurbs that team has Zib's back, understand, no malice or unnecessary disrespect, but that said, not for nothing, you work for the team, and the team works to serve the fans

Not the other way around.
Kindly let that sink in.
We still have great appreciation for several of you in varying degrees.

Howev, Mika packing it in with effort so bad it cannot be considered enough to measure as piss poor, justifies our anger.

If we want him moved, IT IS NOT YOUR CALL TO SUPPORT HIM OVER US
It IS your place to give it up, and stop posturing as prima donnas who claim a status beyond what you are entitled to for fulfilling your contract.

You will all kindly remember this and not interfere with our efforts to urge he be moved.

thank you

bernmeister

 

[n8]

Howev, Mika packing it in with effort so bad it cannot be considered enough to measure as piss poor, justifies our anger.

If we want him moved, IT IS NOT YOUR CALL TO SUPPORT HIM OVER US
It IS your place to give it up, and stop posturing as prima donnas who claim a status beyond what you are entitled to for fulfilling your contract.

You will all kindly remember this and not interfere with our efforts to urge he be moved.

Pretty sure it's their call but the caplocks almost convinced me.
Chris Drury serves James Dolan. Not us. Name one time a fan petition got a player shipped out of town. Maybe it's happened before and you can educate me. You are right that you can urge all you want but nobody is listening.

 

[Mandar]

AN OPEN LETTER TO NYRs

relative to any blurbs that team has Zib's back, understand, no malice or unnecessary disrespect, but that said, not for nothing, you work for the team, and the team works to serve the fans

Not the other way around.
Kindly let that sink in.
We still have great appreciation for several of you in varying degrees.

Howev, Mika packing it in with effort so bad it cannot be considered enough to measure as piss poor, justifies our anger.

If we want him moved, IT IS NOT YOUR CALL TO SUPPORT HIM OVER US
It IS your place to give it up, and stop posturing as prima donnas who claim a status beyond what you are entitled to for fulfilling your contract.

You will all kindly remember this and not interfere with our efforts to urge he be moved.

thank you

bernmeister

Ignorance is bliss

 

[duhmetreE]

Easy. I'll do the whole team.

Panarin 11.6
Tro 5.6
Laf 7.5
Cuylle 4.5
Berard 870k
Othmann 870k
Brod 780k
Carrick 1
Ed 1
Rempe 850k
EP 11.6
Perreault 950k

12 Forwards: 47,145,000 ish

Fox 9.5
Miller 4.5
Schneider 2.2
Mancini 870k
Jones 900k

5 d men: 17,970,000 ish

Igor 11.5
Garand 850k

2 goalies: 12,350,000 ish

Total: 77,465,000 ish

I am willing to bet the cap next year is 94 million. But lets say it's 92. Thats 14.5 million in cap. Give or take a million id say. I only included guys that would still be here in the scenario I laid out in my original post and were RFAs. Not UFAs. No kreider. No Z. Don't tell me it can't be done cause money. Thats lazy.

I'd sign Gavrikov no doubt. For a center, I'd still think Gourde would be cheap and fit well with Othmann and Berard as a 3rd line. One of the few centers available that isn't bad and might get less money on his next contract. But I wouldn't be opposed to Frederic either.

That line up needs 2 defenseman, say Gavrikov or any UFA Ld. 6-7M. We definitely can’t go into a season with Jones and he’s most likely gone soon. Maybe another 2-3M for a vet 3LD?

Need a middle 6 center. Gourde will probably cost more than you think and probably another 3rd liner that’s moveable if needed. Othmann hasn’t shown he’s ready for the NHL yet imo

This is nitpicking a major hypothetical but your initial offer isn’t close either. Schneider , at the least, is probably included in any deal for EP

 

[Kords]

Scouts at the Canucks game

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Scouts at the Canucks game

Whelp Pettersson isn't playing so JT Miller it is.

 

[bernmeister]

Pretty sure it's their call but the caplocks almost convinced me.
Chris Drury serves James Dolan. Not us. Name one time a fan petition got a player shipped out of town. Maybe it's happened before and you can educate me. You are right that you can urge all you want but nobody is listening.

The fans hold the ultimate card; they can abandon the team.
With that ownership loses $$.
I thought that was obvious.

And I am talking about something I thought I saw briefly but could not find again about how players are siding with Mika
unacceptable

Ignorance is bliss

confession is good for the soul

 

[MrAlmost]

That line up needs 2 defenseman, say Gavrikov or any UFA Ld. 6-7M. We definitely can’t go into a season with Jones and he’s most likely gone soon. Maybe another 2-3M for a vet 3LD?

Need a middle 6 center. Gourde will probably cost more than you think and probably another 3rd liner that’s moveable if needed. Othmann hasn’t shown he’s ready for the NHL yet imo

This is nitpicking a major hypothetical but your initial offer isn’t close either. Schneider , at the least, is probably included in any deal for EP

Lot of nitpicking there to be honest but its fair. Haha

And if that package ain't close then I wouldn't be sure I would want the player.

Gourde makes 5.6 now. At 34 and a drop in production he wont get north of 4.5. And if he does, you don't want that anyways. Look toward Frederic, Kerfoot, Dvorak, even Kunin.

There are a ton of d to be had. Gavrikov should be the main target in my opinion. Grezlyk would be my choice if you don't have Jones. Kovacevic, Savard, Maata, Forbort, de Haan. There are guys to fill the roles. Even if you include Schneider.

The point is just in general that the money is there to make it work. The real questions are who is actually available, who do the respective teams want and who are teams willing to part with to get it done.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Whelp Pettersson isn't playing so JT Miller it is.

i mean obviously drury wants miller but to keep the false hope we could be looking at secondary/tertiary pieces in an EP deal

 

[Kords]

Just gonna go on record and say that as much as JT is exactly Drury's type, EP is NOT his type. For better or worse, i'm not gonna speculate on that.

 

[duhmetreE]

Lot of nitpicking there to be honest but its fair. Haha

And if that package ain't close then I wouldn't be sure I would want the player.

Gourde makes 5.6 now. At 34 and a drop in production he wont get north of 4.5. And if he does, you don't want that anyways. Look toward Frederic, Kerfoot, Dvorak, even Kunin.

There are a ton of d to be had. Gavrikov should be the main target in my opinion. Grezlyk would be my choice if you don't have Jones. Kovacevic, Savard, Maata, Forbort, de Haan. There are guys to fill the roles. Even if you include Schneider.

The point is just in general that the money is there to make it work. The real questions are who is actually available, who do the respective teams want and who are teams willing to part with to get it done.

Money is an issue though. One of the first moves that would have to be made is moving Zibs. If he’s not a part of the package for EP. Major, major hurdle. Next issue is cost of acquisition. I don’t see why they wouldn’t want a Tkachuk type package

I’d love to get EP for scraps and an often injured Chytil. I’d love to get Zibs to waive. But reality is different

 

[eco's bones]

AN OPEN LETTER TO NYRs

relative to any blurbs that team has Zib's back, understand, no malice or unnecessary disrespect, but that said, not for nothing, you work for the team, and the team works to serve the fans

Not the other way around.
Kindly let that sink in.
We still have great appreciation for several of you in varying degrees.

Howev, Mika packing it in with effort so bad it cannot be considered enough to measure as piss poor, justifies our anger.

If we want him moved, IT IS NOT YOUR CALL TO SUPPORT HIM OVER US
It IS your place to give it up, and stop posturing as prima donnas who claim a status beyond what you are entitled to for fulfilling your contract.

You will all kindly remember this and not interfere with our efforts to urge he be moved.

thank you

bernmeister

Just the other day a Rangers poster was lamenting his television subscriber getting cut off by MSG network. Hardly the first time that something like that has happened and often enough to loads of people. The now late owner Charles Dolan as head of Cablevision use to bend fans over in such way like every other year. He was known to be just a little bit ruthless and if you happened to have the wrong cable company too f***ing bad. When the dust finally settled it settled just the way he wanted it to.

I don't really remember a time when the owners of the Rangers have been at the mercy of Rangers fans for anything. It's kind of always been the other way around. One owner back in the 70's was asked by a television journalist Jerry Eisenberg (sp? some name like that) on WPIX or WOR or whatever if he had to choose between winning a Stanley Cup or turning a profit any given year.....which option he would choose? and he opted for the money. He was a rich businessman first and foremost and at least he was honest about that.

Honestly Bern this idea that Rangers fans have any real power as far as management decisions from the top or even from the GM is delusional and I think at least a decent majority of the posters who post on this forum realize that very well.

That said Mika might get moved anyway if we can find someone willing to take a chance on his long term contract. A team perhaps that's having issues with a player of their own. It won't be because Rangers fans are unhappy. The reason that Drury might want to move Mika is Mika's been costing us games and that can lead to Drury being replaced and if that happens the new guy will come in and do this, that and the next and Jimmy Dolan will go back to playing his guitar at any bar venue that will have him. He doesn't think about you and he doesn't think about me. Why would he? He has no clue who the f*** we are.

 

[Guyute]

AN OPEN LETTER TO NYRs

relative to any blurbs that team has Zib's back, understand, no malice or unnecessary disrespect, but that said, not for nothing, you work for the team, and the team works to serve the fans

Not the other way around.
Kindly let that sink in.
We still have great appreciation for several of you in varying degrees.

Howev, Mika packing it in with effort so bad it cannot be considered enough to measure as piss poor, justifies our anger.

If we want him moved, IT IS NOT YOUR CALL TO SUPPORT HIM OVER US
It IS your place to give it up, and stop posturing as prima donnas who claim a status beyond what you are entitled to for fulfilling your contract.

You will all kindly remember this and not interfere with our efforts to urge he be moved.

thank you

bernmeister

Yeah that ought to do it

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Just gonna go on record and say that as much as JT is exactly Drury's type, EP is NOT his type. For better or worse, i'm not gonna speculate on that.

yeah drury clearly likes dominant alpha men like miller not soft emo beta boys like EP

 

[Mandar]

The fans hold the ultimate card; they can abandon the team.
With that ownership loses $$.
I thought that was obvious.

And I am talking about something I thought I saw briefly but could not find again about how players are siding with Mika
unacceptable


confession is good for the soul

“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to speak and remove all doubt…..”

 

[n8]

The fans hold the ultimate card; they can abandon the team.
With that ownership loses $$.
I thought that was obvious.

And I am talking about something I thought I saw briefly but could not find again about how players are siding with Mika
unacceptable


confession is good for the soul

Probably in the New York Post podcast.

Well, unless you are secretly Hypnotoad, I don't see how the fans will collectively abandon the team because... this is convoluted-- because the management won't support fans over players by not trading players the fans want traded even though those players have no-move-protection and the players are supposed to play for the team, which serves the fans so play for the fans and not for the team if that actually means each other. Because they aren't the team. The team is an eternal and metaphysical concept.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

The fans hold the ultimate card; they can abandon the team.
With that ownership loses $$.
I thought that was obvious.

And I am talking about something I thought I saw briefly but could not find again about how players are siding with Mika
unacceptable


confession is good for the soul

This club could lose all of us tomorrow and just do a marketing pivot with a few dragons and dinosaurs and Mr Beast and replace us with 10 year olds or worse yet investment bankers

 

[Siddi]

That said Mika might get moved anyway if we can find someone willing to take a chance on his long term contract.

Nobody other than Mika has a say in him moving or not. The sooner fans accept that fact the sooner we will get rid of all the galaxy brain mental gymnastic trade proposals that are cluttering every other page.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

The 2nd comment of this Reddit thread dives in the tendinitis factor a bit

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/s/ZenxgBS1aD

Reddit! This is who’s posting on Reddit:

 

[eco's bones]

Nobody other than Mika has a say in him moving or not. The sooner fans accept that fact the sooner we will get rid of all the galaxy brain mental gymnastic trade proposals that are cluttering every other page.

Part of the issue that seems to have burned the players are forced trades and even if Mika does agree to go somewhere who knows if that opens that can of worms again.

The Rangers signed Mika to a contract that had certain stipulations and in principle they are as binding to that contract as Mika is. The team not abiding by its contractural agreements appears to be how at least some of the players perceive the Goodrow and Trouba moves. So yes and no and maybe who knows how this is going to end right now. I don't have a crystal ball. Some recent report had Mika accepting if the Rangers could work out a deal with a team or certain finite number of teams. It wasn't clear whether it was one particular team, a few or several. My guess is they will trade Kreider and make an attempt to force Mika to accept a trade. He might be more willing to go if Kreider moves. They seem extremely close.

It's a business we hear all the times these days. When I was younger I never heard that. For fans at least back then it was just a sport. Trades did happen then though as they do now.

 

[smoneil]

Reddit! This is who’s posting on Reddit:
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Is that from Dogma? Been ages since I've seen that movie.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

Is that from Dogma? Been ages since I've seen that movie.

Yup,The Stygian Triplets:

 

[RangerBoy]

And how many of those top line centers were actually "acquired"? This is a straw man argument that I wasn't making.

Most top/elite centers are drafted and either never move (Crosby, Malkin, Drai, McDavid, McKinnon, etc...) or move once late or very late in their careers (Stamkos).

Very few Eichel's out there. A whole lot more legit 1A/1B defensemen are moved every year or sign as UFA's.

Eichel didn't go for a bounty in 2021. He had the huge contract. Alex Tuch is 2nd line player at best/3rd line player, Krebs was a first rounder from 2019(smaller center/tweener) and first round pick which was 16th overall in 2022. Some of these trade offers for guys like Tkachuk and EP are insane. I think Brady Tkachuk is overrated. I watch Ottawa and you barely notice him. Even his brother is a little overrated. You watch Florida and Tkachuk is invisible. Alvin criticizes EP to be more accountable and take responsibility. Of course, EP wanted the bag and with getting the bag comes responsibility. It's not a retirement contract.

 

[NYR Viper]

The Devils practically remade their entire defense in two years. Hamilton, Hughes, Dillon, Pesce. The Rangers have Fox already. Miller is arguable. They have Schneider already. Even if they are just happy with Fox and Schneider, Drury can pretty conceivably rebuild their defense in quick order through a shrewd trade and likely 2-3 UFA’s. The more I look at Gavrikov and his underlying numbers the more I see someone who could possibly be a Mathias Ekholm-like fit in NY. He’s 29, not 35. Find a good value, short term veteran who can move the puck to pair with Schneider and you’re cooking with gas as soon as next season.

Gavrikov-Fox
Orlov-Schneider
______-_______
______

That’s a good start and I’m still missing the guy I’m going to assume comes back in a trade.