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Speculation: Roster Building Thread : Part XV (Light em up!)
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McRanger92
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Mika and Jones should be enough. KAM is a maaaassive asset despite his off-year.
Mika and Lindgren, you have a deal. I'll pay for Lindgren's Uber.
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I dont think much of Miller's value. Other team's have been watching him play too.
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I know you don't and a lot of people here do not.... but he's a massive asset that every GM in the league would love to add.
It's hard to properly evaluate talent right now on this team. It's a tire fire shit show.
There's very little reason to trade KAM right now unless he's packaged and returning a bonafide young superstar.... or a hockey trade, a player like MacTavish.
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Miller is a good 6'5" and he can move. He probably has two more deals where he gets value.
There's a lot of good body nonsense in this league. Like we're selling jeans. Like we're looking for Fabio.
There's a lot of good body nonsense in this league. Like we're selling jeans. Like we're looking for Fabio.
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You are by shaving 500K off your cap and 2 less years of a NMC and that’s assuming that they’re the same caliber of player right now.
It’s a win win for the Rangers and I’ve yet to see a reason from you how it’s negative besides animosity for a player that hasn’t been here in years.
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I specifically said it was "my opinion" -- never said anything was actually facts. And I have no animosity == I don't have a good feeling about the guy, fueled by his mysterious exists from NY and TB. All in all, I just do not agree with your opinion.
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Are you talking about Andersson and Kravtsov?---because those two just self destructed. The situation that Kakko and Lafreniere moved into was far different from what someone like a Stutzle, Hughes, Bedard or Slafkovsky etc. came into. Those teams had no top end veteran talent to push them and then drafts are drafts and some of these players are just better than others despite where they were taken.
In any case Jones wasn't a 1st round player and really shouldn't ever have been. He was going to be a project not because he doesn't have a very good skillset but because parts of his game needed real work and some of that still needs work.
As well there are success stories and Sheshterkin and Fox are the biggest but even a guy like Will Cuylle is turning into a really good player and there are guys developing well for us now. Not every prospect---even those with the most skills are going to make it and skills definitely help but they're almost never enough just on their own.
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I like McTavish a lot. Hope you are right and thats a guy we're in on.
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Which is basically what I said - you don’t like the guy. Is what you’re seeing from Mika better? If it’s roughly even then refer to term and NMC clauses
Yes, but you don’t say WHY. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but it might have a bit more merit if there were some meat on the bone.
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For which trade? I’d do the Lafreniere and Schneider for Pettersson trade, but I’m lower on Schneider than most.
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How many times do I have to say this: I never said I didn't like the guy....I just find things that have happened to him in the past suspicious......that's a red flag FOR ME. Because of that, I do not FEEL he's a good acquisition, even for Mika. I'm not trying to prove anything or make a specific point. I am stating my opinion and feelings, nothing more. You don't agree: fine. 'Nuff said.
I agree with your assessment. But…he’s not played like a massive asset. After 5 years, I seriously doubt whether KAM can reach that imagined ceiling. This is why I think a) he could return real value and b) I think Drury could really fleece another team that has that perspective.
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yes - continual within the context of the 4 hour long discussion.
I don't see a discussion of a player being "more or less tradeable" as worth anything without specific examples of trades that you would or would not make. Nowhere did I say he was untouchable (actually the contrary) and nowhere did I say i would "turn down the opportunity" to trade for EP. I talked through the reasons why it's potentially not a good idea, reasons you found unworthy of reply.
Also, i didn't make comment anywhere about Marner, Hintz, or Eichel. Talk about inventing things. Weird.
You just seem to want to stem other posters excitement for this player, and say you want to trade him for EP.
There’s a ton of smoke around JT Miller that chalking it up to animosity is kind of a cop out.
Taking only contracts and ability into account, being able to trade Zib for Miller 1:1 would be a f***ing grand slam for the Rangers.
Taking only contracts and ability into account, being able to trade Zib for Miller 1:1 would be a f***ing grand slam for the Rangers.
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Id trade Miller today for a young center under team control.
Are you joking with me? Honestly, I hope so. It would be a good troll job.
You replied to a post of mine saying that I was “fixated” with trading Perreault because inside of an ongoing discussion about acquiring a center who is potentially currently available, I said I would definitely move him and that I don’t hold him as being AS valuable to the Rangers as others do, because he fills the role and position of least need comparatively. I don’t think I ever even specifically responded to or directed any comments towards you.
If you, personally, never said you wouldn’t trade him for Pettersson, that’s great. I never said that you did. I was responding to others who have said that, and you decided that constituted a fixation. Meanwhile, you seem upset that I didn’t respond to your arguments as to why that may not be a good idea (the ones you feel I deemed unworthy of a response). I would have simply thought that since you viewed my posts, during the now clarified 4 whopping hours in which I discussed the possibility of moving Perreault in this context, as some sort of continued campaign against him, you’d have also read my ample reasoning for why Pettersson would be a worthwhile gamble for us. The thoughts about acquiring Pettersson and trading Perreault are, almost if not entirely, laid out in the same posts as one another, so it would be truly impressive if you noticed one enough to deem it a fixation while missing the other entirely.
I don’t know what about my previous response would lead you to think, in any capacity, that I thought you ever mentioned Hintz or Marner. I did, however, think highly enough of you as a poster to assume you had the reading comprehension to understand what “an example” is, and so used the two players (one being a more talented and higher producing small-ish winger, the other being a larger, faster, still talented, but nowhere near as superlatively, center) as an example to illustrate that I am not saying Perreault is a bad prospect, but I am saying that I would prefer to prioritize both other positions on the roster AND other attributes like dynamic skating ability. I really thought I’d done a fairly good job of making that like 6th grade reading level easy too.
I also don’t really understand what would give you the impression that I wanted to “stem other posters excitement” about Perreault other than my saying I would absolutely move him for a position or stylistic archetype of greater need While I personally don’t think he will become a 80+ point star winger, I did call him one of the best prospects in the league. I also said that it’s unfortunate and just our luck that after striking out on a 1OA and 2OA winger while perpetually, desperately needing a potential franchise center, the best forward prospect we DO have happens to be… another winger with mediocre skating. Like Laf. Like Kakko.
I’m not really certain how you managed to take my first ever discussion about Perreault and whether I would trade him or not and how I view his upside and fit on this team, because we are a poor skating team, as not only a fixation, but also somehow disparaging towards Perreault but I am fairly sure it’s a you issue and not my problem. I discussed the fact that, personally, I don’t hold Perreault in as high esteem as others may, because I (again, personally) would rather prioritize excellent skaters and positions of greater importance. I must have blacked out for the parts where I wrote “Perreault will never amount to anything and you shouldn’t be excited about this slow skating midget and how dare you ( @GoAwayPanarin )compare him to Giroux, he’ll never be that good!” I only remember the parts where I explained my preferences and feelings, called Perreault a great prospect but not what we really need and called the Giroux comparison a good one. In fact, the most egregious thing I can be accused of having said about Perreault was that he was overrated, and very shortly after that conceded to @bhamill @duhmetreE and @GoAwayPanarin that “overrated” may have been the wrong word and that I simply didn’t view him as being what we needed. Man, that 4 hour window of posts must’ve been wild.
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Mine is why Miller would ever waive for NY.
He has a full NMC.
He has 3 kids under like 7 years old. He likes to hunt, fish, play golf, drives a pick up truck and is commonly seen wearing things like “back the blue” hats, etc.
The New York Rangers are having a historically bad implosion and look to be on the decline. Even if there’s drama and toxicity in the Vancouver locker room that he’d like to escape, it looks like NY is in even worse shape.
It’s not financial either, NY has super high taxes like Vancouver.
Why would he want to waive to go to NYC? It’s not really a fit in terms of wanting to win, going to a better locker room, fitting his hobbies and interests, being a better place for his family, etc.
In a vacuum, 32 teams in the NHL would take him. This isn’t like Zibanejad or Trouba where you’re asking him to waive hoping that some team will at least give him a chance. This is a highly desirable player and I can’t think of a single reason why he would want to waive for NYR. Drury can want him all day and all night. Why wouldn’t he want to go to Colorado, Minnesota, Dallas, etc. that actually fit his lifestyle and the team isn’t in shambles. And since he has an NMC, if he wants to simply say “I’ll only go to Colorado” than isn’t Vancouver basically forced to accept Mittlestadt or whatever Colorado offers? As an example, same for any team.
Have you never lived in New York? All of these things are easily done here. Even having kids.
Okay, you’re clearly missing the subtext and I’m trying not to make it the focus. JT Miller is a full on MAGA, mud on my tires, country boy. We are not currently in a playoff spot, we currently have a very public culture problem unfolding, we have some of the highest taxes of any team in the league and NYC is not culturally aligned with the things Miller values. Since he has a full NMC and is coming off a 100+ point season, and his contract isn’t even that rich, he can very literally dictate what team he goes to and choose virtually any team in the NHL. Why would he specifically choose the current version of the Rangers?
In other words, of course you CAN do those things in NY but they aren’t the typical reason athletes choose NY. It’s usually the nightlife and exposure to other celebrities and opportunities. Those things do not seem to be important to Miller so the typical “NYC advantage” doesn’t really apply. What makes us an attractive destination for a 31 year old who just had a 100 point season and wants to win to come to this current dumpster fire?
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they don't want this version of Mika 8.5 x 5
they even less don't want to give up anything for him
howev, at the right price = reduced salary via max retained / and possibly an additional retain to get him down to 2.5-ish per, THEN they bite, imo b'c risk reward is worth it
at that price, they can do what they will with elias Pett and JT regardless, and they acquire a possible top 6 pivot, which is useful whether either of EP or JTM goes, or not.
The obsession of getting EP/JTM has gotta go.
We can get one, probably the older JT, but it will cost young assets overpay given likelihood of competing bids, and it will NOT result in moving Mika
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Zib 50 % retained
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Raty, Juulsen, Forbot and cap dump Desharnais
we might have to get ANA involved and give them like a 6th for this yr and a 5th for each of the remaining yrs on the contract to eat 1.75 per x 4
maybe, maybe not
faster we ditch zib da better
So his hockey sense is 'off the charts' and his value is 'very high' but you don't want to retain this player simply because our organization has 'seen so much of heady players' and because Perreault reminds you of our veteran players simply due to his lack of physicality and average skating?
His elite ability to set up his teammates for Grade-A scoring chances is EXACTLY what this organization needs more of and is largely missing (excluding Panarin) from our forward group. Remove Panarin from the picture and we have no forwards in the organization with elite passing & playmaking ability. To seek to part ways with Perreault over his average skating, lack of physicality, and due to some organizational 'reputation' issue seems short-sighted (IMHO)
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The simple reason, whether it really is that simple or not, is that they see their team as outright better and more competitive in an overt way with Miller than Pettersson at the helm. Miller seems like a better leader and has been a better playoff performer. Their owner may just like him that much more.
