Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XLV
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FWIW, I think its impossible that Gorton watched this series and doesn't know that he has work to do this offseason.
broadwayblue
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And the problem is we're up against the cap. Not that we're looking to bring in any high priced UFA, but there isn't a lot of wiggle room for next season.
I believe any improvements will be middle-six, including dealing a contract like Strome's.
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more like possibly regretting speeding up our rebuild. We weren’t ready. This team needs to continue to hoard draft capital for a while. We need a lot more young depth to backfill into our lineup.
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I’m not bringing back Quinn with Gallant or Laviolette available.
There, I said it. Team isn’t rebuilding anymore and there are better available options.
There, I said it. Team isn’t rebuilding anymore and there are better available options.
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I don’t agree with this. There is enough youth. There aren’t enough veteran contributors that know what they are doing. It’s a bunch of Quadruple A guys. They need to turn some of that draft capital into someone that can help them keep up. This is a playoff team. They can’t afford to go back to finishing in that 7-10 range. Need to take next step.
Irishguy42
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Nest season will be, ideally:
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-X/Chytil-Kakko
Lemieux/PDG-Chytil/X-Y/Gauthier
Lemieux/PDG-Howden-Y/Gauthier
X = Strome or Bozak
Y = Kravstov or Generic Bottom 6 RW
Kreider-Zibanejad-Buchnevich
Panarin-X/Chytil-Kakko
Lemieux/PDG-Chytil/X-Y/Gauthier
Lemieux/PDG-Howden-Y/Gauthier
X = Strome or Bozak
Y = Kravstov or Generic Bottom 6 RW
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Well Strome's an RFA, so they're going to have to deal his rights or give him a contract (I doubt they'll do a sign-and-trade because that almost never happens in the NHL)
Well. A few thoughts.
It isn’t the only reason we lost, but you can’t tell me the Rangers weren’t, very likely, the worst prepared team in the bubble. That is a coaching/culture issue. The culture question goes back a loooong time and we often questioned if the reason this team couldn’t get over the hump during their last window was because it is too much of a player accommodating country club in the organization. We were flat out the least prepared team. That’s the biggest black eye here. We weren’t ready to be contenders, so losing isn’t embarrassing, but looking so out of shape and flat out of the gates compared to almost everyone else made watching our team a lot less enjoyable.
We have good pieces in place. Team defense/depth is an issue. We need better than a bottom six that is a patch work of kids. We need designated checkers with experience in that role playing for a purpose. Likewise, the veteran leaders on the blue line can’t be half blind pylons, they need to be able to demonstrate leadership and play meaningful minutes.
The Hank haters were beyond annoying this series. Yes, Igor is an amazing young goalie and the franchise’s future. He also is not a super powered, holy anointed savior as so many of you believe, and the Hank bashing was truly ugly. When Shesty ultimately played, the results were identical. In fact Shesterkin had worse numbers in his half of the expedition game and worse numbers in his one game than Hank in either of (or combined) his two. I’m not saying that potentially still being fresh off a minor injury or this being his first playoff didn’t matter, or that he isn’t a future star, but the hatred for Lundqvist is honestly embarrassing from this fan base.
Mika and Kreider in the post game... neither is truly C material. Good As, but neither of these guys looks like they could bear the additional weight of a the C. It was a sorry display. I’d rather stick with just As until Fox or somebody really stands out than give either of these guys the C and have to strip them in a couple more years.
If Quinn believes so little in Strome & Panarin duo, and the results through the first 3 games are what they look like when they aren’t on a hot streak, or when it’s playoff hockey, there’s no reason to commit to Strome. What they did during the regular season was special. What they did during these games, actually anyone could do. Not trying to give these games more weight than they deserve, but judging Strome based solely off the heat and momentum of one 50 game stretch of his career is something to be cautious about.
It isn’t the only reason we lost, but you can’t tell me the Rangers weren’t, very likely, the worst prepared team in the bubble. That is a coaching/culture issue. The culture question goes back a loooong time and we often questioned if the reason this team couldn’t get over the hump during their last window was because it is too much of a player accommodating country club in the organization. We were flat out the least prepared team. That’s the biggest black eye here. We weren’t ready to be contenders, so losing isn’t embarrassing, but looking so out of shape and flat out of the gates compared to almost everyone else made watching our team a lot less enjoyable.
We have good pieces in place. Team defense/depth is an issue. We need better than a bottom six that is a patch work of kids. We need designated checkers with experience in that role playing for a purpose. Likewise, the veteran leaders on the blue line can’t be half blind pylons, they need to be able to demonstrate leadership and play meaningful minutes.
The Hank haters were beyond annoying this series. Yes, Igor is an amazing young goalie and the franchise’s future. He also is not a super powered, holy anointed savior as so many of you believe, and the Hank bashing was truly ugly. When Shesty ultimately played, the results were identical. In fact Shesterkin had worse numbers in his half of the expedition game and worse numbers in his one game than Hank in either of (or combined) his two. I’m not saying that potentially still being fresh off a minor injury or this being his first playoff didn’t matter, or that he isn’t a future star, but the hatred for Lundqvist is honestly embarrassing from this fan base.
Mika and Kreider in the post game... neither is truly C material. Good As, but neither of these guys looks like they could bear the additional weight of a the C. It was a sorry display. I’d rather stick with just As until Fox or somebody really stands out than give either of these guys the C and have to strip them in a couple more years.
If Quinn believes so little in Strome & Panarin duo, and the results through the first 3 games are what they look like when they aren’t on a hot streak, or when it’s playoff hockey, there’s no reason to commit to Strome. What they did during the regular season was special. What they did during these games, actually anyone could do. Not trying to give these games more weight than they deserve, but judging Strome based solely off the heat and momentum of one 50 game stretch of his career is something to be cautious about.
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this is not a playoff team. We were a play in team that got swept. We’ve had zero of our high draft picks show they have even Star potential yet. We have no defense on the left side, a soon to be negative net value contract in Kreider and possibly trouba. We probably won’t make the playoffs next year either.
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This is a playoff team with two Hart caliber forwards, Calder caliber DMan, and one of the best young goalies in the league. They didn’t lay money out to Panarin, Kreider (who was coming back from an injury) and Trouba (played with horrendous partners all years and had to adjust to a new team). This team is certainly not positioned to be worse.
I meant his rights, though we still don’t know when contracts will expire and when teams can make trades. Previously, two teams both eliminated from the playoffs could complete a trade during the playoffs, though it was rare. Everything this offseason will require articulation by the league.
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We were an 11th place team. And if not for the insane run we went on with Shesty at the end of the year we’re talking about amazing odds at 1OA
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Oh no, the dreaded “we are gonna ruins everything if we don’t turn this team into a 6 seed right now!” argument.
No, we don’t need to take the next step. Missing the playoffs again even next year will not hurt our kids one bit. They are all super young, we are not talking about being Edmonton. Adding talent is the most important thing in all sports and then developing it afterwards. We still need to acquire more.
There is enough youth... on defense. Forward requires probably at least two more top 6 guys for the system relatively soon, and a handful of cheap bottom 6 labor as well.
There are ways to create space and you're not going to like the options they'll have at their disposal.
Irishguy42
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I was pretty certain before the playoffs that Staal would be back next year but now I’m not so sure.
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Yeah. The Rangers can do both. There is zero reason the Rangers can’t make the playoffs next year. Teams with Two Hart caliber forwards and Top Goalkeeper tend to not miss the playoffs. Full season Igor Makes them a playoff team. They have two 1sts this year but after that you can keep throwing youth at the problem. Those young guys need structure and I am not convinced they have it.
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It’s very possible the Rangers make the playoffs next year but they do not “need” to. Most championship teams that have staying power spent way longer than us in the dregs.
With Andersson a miss, Chytil looking underwhelming, who knows if Kravtsov is a first liner and even uncertainty about Kakko, this team can not afford to assume it’s just fine for the long term at forward yet just because it has Mika Zibanejad and Artemi Panarin tearing things up currently. That’s two players. You cannot count on any other non ELC forward to be part of a long term solution here (I assume Kreider digresses to third line production within about 3 years).
Assuming all of Kakko, Kravtsov and Chytil pan out you still need one more of that caliber. If one of them does not pan out or if Mika or Panarin regress then you need at least 2 more.
But it’s not easy to find those top 6 types when you are selecting in the late first all the time.... which we soon will be. Gotta get them now, strike while the iron is hot, before guys like Kakko get too good and carry us out of the cellar. This year was vital for maximizing assets and next year would not be a bad idea to stockpile assets again if the team still doesn’t seem ready and you are still carrying the Staal/Smith dead weight.
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