Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XL

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Even if Strome's production is somewhere between 50-60 points over 82 games, that's still great value at 5.3m. That's similar to 4.5m in 2013. It's really not that much.

The hate Strome gets is unreal

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Even if Strome's production is somewhere between 50-60 points over 82 games, that's still great value at 5.3m. That's similar to 4.5m in 2013. It's really not that much.

The hate Strome gets is unreal

I agree....its mind blowing.

 

[UnSandvich]

Even if Strome's production is somewhere between 50-60 points over 82 games, that's still great value at 5.3m. That's similar to 4.5m in 2013. It's really not that much.

The hate Strome gets is unreal

Tell ya what AK. If he puts up more than 50 points next season on the Rangers, and Panarin not in his Top 3 5v5 linemates, I will donate $100 to a charity of your choice. Screenshot this if you want.

But he won't, and I'm calling that now. Because he's put up 50 points once previously in his career, and then followed that with multiple seasons of under 35 points.

EDIT: Forgot to specify 5v5 linemates, so it's not skewed by PK or PP time

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The predicament (if you want to call it that) with Strome has a couple layers for me.

The first being, what type of contract does he want?

He scored 60 this year, and he probably won't have a better year than he just had. People throwing around numbers like 4.5 million for him are crazy. He can comfortably ask for more, if he asked for 6.5 a year I wouldn't blame him. The length of the deal is also a question.

The second layer being okay you have an idea of a contract framework, does it make sense for the team long term?

You can spout the chemistry thing to me all day, but the reality is I'm never going to be comfortable giving a guy a deal when his biggest asset is "well he can play really well with an MVP candidate". I'm especially nervous when you consider that if he doesn't predominantly play with Panarin, there's a solid chance he turns back into the guy no team in the league wanted 18 months ago.

Plus you add in the extra layer of uncertainties with the cap moving forward, and the sheer amount of guys that will need to be re-signed in the next 2 years. Cap space is a precious commodity, and imagine having to trade a young guy because you have Ryan f***ing Strome eating up 5.5 million dollars a year

If his agent is smart, they'll be pushing for a 1 year deal so he can walk right into UFA after getting another season of playing with Panarin, or they sucker the Rangers into a 4+ year deal and he gets paid this summer.

If the team can legitimately get him to sign a 2 year deal for 4.5 a year, then whatever. Use him to insulate Chytil and then dump his ass next deadline to the highest bidder.

My gut tells me they'll probably offer him a longer contract

 

[egelband]

Last year the anomaly was his shooting percentage
This year the anomaly was playing with Panarin
What will the anomaly be next season?

Would you really bank on him as your 2C for four years? I’d give him 2 years (at a higher AAV, even) but want to retain flexibility.
I’m not yet sold. I don’t see a guy who imposes his will. He’s a really nice complementary player but personally I wouldn’t go UFA longterm money (even a reasonable deal like you’ve outlined) on a complementary player. I know that’s a lot of ‘if’s but I am still smarting from Smith, Shatty, Girardi, Staal... none of which were huge overpays, but they do hurt.

 

[egelband]

4yx5.3m AAV

How about this. 21/4 or 13/2?

 

[aufheben]

Lirl I'd love to see this board in year 4 of Strome's contract. Only 112 penalties away!

 

[egelband]

Lirl I'd love to see this board in year 4 of Strome's contract. Only 112 penalties away!

The thing is that they’re generally not from him sticking up for teammates or getting under the opponents skin. I may be wrong but from memory they’re usually just him hooking at the blue line or holding. Kind of nonsense penalties.
That said, I’m of the opinion that they’re not a huge problem. But still, while we’re discussing it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Strome didnt have Panarin last year with us and was still pretty good. The guy is over a half a point a game in the nhl and that's including 2 years where he was misused in Edmonton. He hasn't exactly had great linemates to play with until this year and has still plugged along with decent stats outside of his time in Edmonton. I have no problem giving him 4 years as long as it's not crazy money.

 

[Irishguy42]

Strome didnt have Panarin last year with us and was still pretty good.

Was he, though?

If you're just using points as an evaluation of how good a player in the NHL is, then your evaluation of talent is bad.

His body of work outside of his carried points totals are trash, this year without Panarin and last year.

 

[egelband]

Strome didnt have Panarin last year with us and was still pretty good. The guy is over a half a point a game in the nhl and that's including 2 years where he was misused in Edmonton. He hasn't exactly had great linemates to play with until this year and has still plugged along with decent stats outside of his time in Edmonton. I have no problem giving him 4 years as long as it's not crazy money.

I wouldn’t pull my hair out over it. But I just think it’s best to keep him on a shorter deal. And I kind of think that’ll be the trend this summer, with the cap uncertainty. Short and discounted deals to be re-visited when things calm down, Covidically...

 

[aufheben]

The thing is that they’re generally not from him sticking up for teammates or getting under the opponents skin. I may be wrong but from memory they’re usually just him hooking at the blue line or holding. Kind of nonsense penalties.
That said, I’m of the opinion that they’re not a huge problem. But still, while we’re discussing it.

Him and Skjei were total boneheads with penalties. They took a bunch and didn't draw many. I loved how every time Skjei took when he just had this expression of disbelief.

 

[Irishguy42]

I loved how every time Skjei took when he just had this expression of disbelief.

This is literally just every Skjei expression for anything, though.

 

[aufheben]

I wouldn’t pull my hair out over it. But I just think it’s best to keep him on a shorter deal. And I kind of think that’ll be the trend this summer, with the cap uncertainty. Short and discounted deals to be re-visited when things calm down, Covidically...

I don't think a mid-term deal is best for Strome either. He'll make $21M on 4 x $5.3M. If he takes a 1-year deal and goes straight to UFA he can probably make more.

 

[egelband]

Was he, though?

If you're just using points as an evaluation of how good a player in the NHL is, then your evaluation of talent is bad.

His body of work outside of his points totals are trash.

He isn’t trash but he isn’t what I’d call a ‘complete’ player. He’s really nifty in the offensive zone. Smart passer. Good hands. Shot is accurate. Excellent on the power play. Doesn’t play much defense and doesn’t kill penalties. Average on face offs.
Basically I think of him a as a top six complementary player.
He’s actually quite similar to Buchnevich, to me. But I think Buch is more well-rounded. Again, just my amateur eyeball test sense.

 

[egelband]

I don't think a mid-term deal is best for Strome either. He'll make $21M on 4 x $5.3M. If he takes a 1-year deal and goes straight to UFA he can probably make more.

Fair point. But the Rangers will have leverage too. He might want one and the Rangers force him to take two but upping the AAV. Is my thinking. Of course they could just go to arbitration but that rarely happens. Can’t the team actually choose a two year arbitration award?

 

[SA16]

Strome didnt have Panarin last year with us and was still pretty good. The guy is over a half a point a game in the nhl and that's including 2 years where he was misused in Edmonton. He hasn't exactly had great linemates to play with until this year and has still plugged along with decent stats outside of his time in Edmonton. I have no problem giving him 4 years as long as it's not crazy money.

Ok let's not make things up. He was good this year and he was bad last year. He scored 19 5v5 points in 63 games. Jesper Fast had 18 in 66 games. Brett Howden had 21 in 66 games. Jimmy Vesey had 28 in 81 games. If those are guys you scored comparably too your offense was not all that good.

 

[aufheben]

He isn’t trash but he isn’t what I’d call a ‘complete’ player. He’s really nifty in the offensive zone. Smart passer. Good hands. Shot is accurate. Excellent on the power play. Doesn’t play much defense and doesn’t kill penalties. Average on face offs.
Basically I think of him a as a top six complementary player.
He’s actually quite similar to Buchnevich, to me. But I think Buch is more well-rounded. Again, just my amateur eyeball test sense.

He's definitely a solid player. The problem is him being potentially paid more than to be a solid player.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Strome might be one of the most frustrating players I've watched live in a while. Which feeds into my general disdain for him.

Lirl I'd love to see this board in year 4 of Strome's contract. Only 112 penalties away!

Fortunately (or maybe unfortunately depending on how you look at it), the team would almost assuredly be paying someone to get rid of Strome by year 4

 

[egelband]

Here’s a question. With Kreider, Panarin, Trouba, and Mika, is there even room for another “core” type contract? I think there’s probably room for extending Mika and TDA and appropriate raises down the line. But it seems that’s about the extent of it. For the next four or five years, at least. I don’t think they can even afford to go longterm with Buch and Strome. Does anyone know? Assuming the cap is static next year and maybe goes up a little thereafter.

 

[UnSandvich]

Here’s a question. With Kreider, Panarin, Trouba, and Mika, is there even room for another “core” type contract? I think there’s probably room for extending Mika and TDA and appropriate raises down the line. But it seems that’s about the extent of it. For the next four or five years, at least. I don’t think they can even afford to go longterm with Buch and Strome. Does anyone know? Assuming the cap is static next year and maybe goes up a little thereafter.

Not having the Kreider contract on the books would certainly make the cap gymnastics a bit easier at least. That said, I'd go long-term with Buch over Strome absolutely every time

 

[Alluckks]

I wish we could just give Strome 3 years at 4.5 per year, but he would never take that

 

[Alluckks]

There has to be some compliance buyouts issued.

Lower level teams won't have the money to spend on free agency due to the pandemic. Upper level teams need more cap flexibility to make up for a lack of lower level spending.

 

[LokiDog]

Strome didnt have Panarin last year with us and was still pretty good. The guy is over a half a point a game in the nhl and that's including 2 years where he was misused in Edmonton. He hasn't exactly had great linemates to play with until this year and has still plugged along with decent stats outside of his time in Edmonton. I have no problem giving him 4 years as long as it's not crazy money.

Strome paced for 43 points over 82 games the year before he got stapled to Panarin. That jumped to a 69 point pace. That’s like a 58% increase.

My problem with Strome isn’t that I don’t think he can have continued success with Panarin. It’s that long term I don’t think he’s a strong enough all around player to be a top six center on a contending team. If he can be a complimentary RW who has chemistry with Panarin while a stronger C takes over the middle, that’s fine with me, but I’m not comfortable giving Strome anything more than a stop gap contract. I don’t think Strome is a top six center on a contending team, at least not ideally. And I don’t see him as an ideal third line C either, because playing with the bottom half of the roster, he’s likely much more like a 40 point guy (but not well rounded enough to justify paying him to just be a 40 point guy). So I’d be happiest giving Strome good money but just on a two year deal or seeing how he works on the wing opposite Panarin. I don’t wanna give him a 4-5 year deal and end up paying him to be our third line C because I don’t think he’ll produce in that role.

 

[UnSandvich]

There has to be some compliance buyouts issued.

Lower level teams won't have the money to spend on free agency due to the pandemic. Upper level teams need more cap flexibility to make up for a lack of lower level spending.

Remember a few months ago, when everyone was talking about how the cap was gonna go up 3-4 mil due to new TV deals?