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Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

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Homelander said:
Okay, but even so, why would a team use their cap space to acquire a declining Kreider?
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Maybe they arent and we'd be taking a money back in return. Again, these are complicated trades that are easier to make when you dont have a game the next night.
 
surlysailor said:
A) Drury listed him by name in the league memo saying players were available. Teams did not have a lot of cap space then so he probably would’ve had to take a contract back.

B) 100% drury overplayed his hand, tho we have no idea what Detroit was willing to give up for trouba might’ve been a similar deal or if we get a better player than uhro we prob were taking a contract back with it.

C) NHL gms almost always trade for a what a guy has done not just what he’s done lately. I’m sure some team will look at his past few years and think this season was a blip especially with all the drama surrounding the team. Sure maybe you won’t get a 1st and a top prospect like a few years ago but also wouldn’t be surprised at a good pick, a good prospect. I could even see someone like Detroit doing wallinder, Rasmussen & Gus. A 30pt 3c, a prospect who was once highly touted but is a bit stagnant & a cap dump.
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Maybe, but you can agree that Kreider had more value in November before he completely shit the bed this season? Maybe it balances itself out. IDK, but in a vacuum, Kreider had more value in November than he does now given the season he just had. Sure, a team may think that this season was an aberration or an outlier, but I would imagine that team also sees Kreider as a good buy low candidate instead of paying market price.
 
McRanger92 said:
Maybe they arent and we'd be taking a money back in return. Again, these are complicated trades that are easier to make when you dont have a game the next night.
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Of course, but as a result of not trading him back in November, which was a few months removed from his awesome playoff run, they let the season play out and Kreider absolutely sucked.
 
Overall public opinion on Panarin, right or wrong, will be basically unchanged. There is zero consequences for athletes that do this kind of stuff. See: Kobe.

A buddy of mine bounced in Jersey in the 90s, he saw the Devils do some shit. Illegal? Probably not, but basically worse than the outcome of this Panarin story. Point being, nothing is going to happen to him.
 
Homelander said:
Of course, but as a result of not trading him back in November, which was a few months removed from his awesome playoff run, they let the season play out and Kreider absolutely sucked.
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Had they known he was going to fall off a cliff im sure they wouldve. Not one person expected this.
 
DialUp said:
Overall public opinion on Panarin, right or wrong, will be basically unchanged. There is zero consequences for athletes that do this kind of stuff. See: Kobe.

A buddy of mine bounced in Jersey in the 90s, he saw the Devils do some shit. Illegal? Probably not, but basically worse than the outcome of this Panarin story. Point being, nothing is going to happen to him.
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Well maybe that's because we don't have the full Panarin story....
 
McRanger92 said:
Had they known he was going to fall off a cliff im sure they wouldve. Not one person expected this.
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I think you're being too forgiving. Isn't that the point of a GM/president? To have more knowledge and insight than the common folk? To make the wise decision, even if it may not be the most popular one?

I think the two constant threads in all of Drury's trades is that A) he doesn't get max. value for the players he does trade and B) he tends to give market to over market value for the players he does acquire.
 
Homelander said:
Maybe, but you can agree that Kreider had more value in November before he completely shit the bed this season? Maybe it balances itself out. IDK, but in a vacuum, Kreider had more value in November than he does now given the season he just had. Sure, a team may think that this season was an aberration or an outlier, but I would imagine that team also sees Kreider as a good buy low candidate instead of paying market price.
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Oh yeah around the league in November it was def higher but also is harder to make deals then. But also with Chris being miserable here it might make him more open to certain teams that might’ve been on his no trade list. I don’t think we’ll get a huge hall for him. I’d love to punt this years pick (unless we win the lottery) then trade ck to Utah or St. Louis (get him back with Buch lol) for a 1st and draft Kashawn Aitcheson. I doubt it’ll happen but I do think ck should at least be able to get us an upgrade over soucy or at least a 3c option who stops carrick from playing above the 4th line and a mid round pick.
 
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