Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[duhmetreE]

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Some interesting data on our defensemen. My takeaways:

1) Adam Fox. That's it. Just Adam Fox.

2) We might be too hard on Miller. We've discussed the culture vs player responsibility, and where that balance lies. If there's anybody I'm willing to buy it on, it's probably Miller. The analytics are always there with him. I know he's annoying and he know he f***s up a lot, I'm not dismissing that, but there might be something there.

3) Schneider is kind of good but he f***ing BLOWS at 5v5 defense and I'm not sure you can hide that.

4) Borgen is an NHL player but he plays too much.

5) Urho is whatever but he's probably upgradeable tbh.

6) The team low-key is a bit better without Trouba and Lindgren, but we always acknowledged that they have other issues. We're seeing that.

I think this team desperately needs one more really good defensemen to kind of domino everyone else where they should be.

on KAM... a raw defender needs coaching. or for that matter, any young athlete still needs to continue to develop their game.

We have a bunch of vets that are content with where they are and coaches who are content with letting them do what they want. No one is improving.

 

[duhmetreE]

I was looking at Mika Zibanejad's hockeydb. Utah HC's head coach Andre Tourigny was an assistant coach for the Ottawa Senators in 2015-16. Zibanejad's last season in Ottawa. Would Utah be interested in Zibanejad? Would Zibanejad waive for Utah? Park City, Utah is a beautiful place to live. Rich high end neighborhoods. I know a few New Yorkers who own homes in Park City. They love it. Park City is 40 minute drive to the Delta Center.

Minnesota. They have fellow Swedes in Jonas Brodin and JEE. Zibanjead liked being around his countryman at the 4 Nations. Mats Zuccarello is there for another year. I really like Liam Ohgren.

Both Utah and Minnesota have cap space. Need help at center.

a baseline deal of Zibs for Rossi. Keep the cycle going... it'd be like trading Brass for Zibs.

have no clue why Minnesota would do it but all we have is copium here.

 

[bhamill]

Most second unit shifts are going to be on the fly. Most shifts are in general. Every on the fly shift is starting after the other team clears. The only guaranteed zone start is the start of the powerplay.

If PP2 does get a start here and there, it's probably pretty negligible. Over large samples, guys with similar TOI are seeing similar types of usage.

First units start in the O zone very often. But that’s not what I was talking about in terms of time. It’s just not as simple as who played how much overall powerplay time. It’s impossible to say whether someone is a good powerplay guy or not if all his powerplay time is 30-40 second blocks with some of that being spent trying to gain the zone. By the time you set up you’re lucky to have 20 seconds. I mean if you just don’t accept that, fine, your prerogative. But it seems very elementary and obvious to be honest. And really I’m not going to try to convince you to agree, but neither do I agree with your assessment. It’s not necessarily apples to apples.

 

[duhmetreE]

Kreider and Mika to Chicago #vetleadership
for
Bertuzzi and late 1st

Sign Bennett
Sign Gavrikov

Cuylle JTM Gabe
Panarin Bennett Laffy
Bertuzzi Tro Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

Gavrikov Fox
KAM Borgen
undecided Schneider

we just do not have a dynamic game breaking talent and I just don't see it happening. We just do not get those... or develop them.

great depth and top tier coaching is our only hope

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Kreider and Mika to Chicago #vetleadership
for
Bertuzzi and late 1st

Sign Bennett
Sign Gavrikov

Cuylle JTM Gabe
Panarin Bennett Laffy
Bertuzzi Tro Berard
Edstrom Carrick Rempe

Gavrikov Fox
KAM Borgen
undecided Schneider

we just do not have a dynamic game breaking talent and I just don't see it happening. We just do not get those... or develop them.

great depth and top tier coaching is our only hope

Panarin scored 120 points last year. He’s a dynamic game breaking talent.


You want someone like McDavid or MacKinnon who can skate through the entire team and blow the net off the frame.

Those guys are exceedingly rare and you don’t need them to win a cup.

 

[duhmetreE]

Panarin scored 120 points last year. He’s a dynamic game breaking talent.


You want someone like McDavid or MacKinnon who can skate through the entire team and blow the net off the frame.

Those guys are exceedingly rare and you don’t need them to win a cup.

I want someone that can show up in big games and produce in clutch moments. I honestly don't care how it's done or how pretty it is.

I don't care much about regular season production if it doesn't translate in the Playoffs. I love Panarin. Up to this point, he's not that guy unfortunately.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I’ve read a few proposals on here packaging Mika and Kreider in the same trade. Like that shit will ever happen lol

Some of you live in looney tunes land

 

[Mugless]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's a less than zero percent chance that Mika waives for Utah.

 

[lakeshirts37]

I was looking at Mika Zibanejad's hockeydb. Utah HC's head coach Andre Tourigny was an assistant coach for the Ottawa Senators in 2015-16. Zibanejad's last season in Ottawa. Would Utah be interested in Zibanejad? Would Zibanejad waive for Utah? Park City, Utah is a beautiful place to live. Rich high end neighborhoods. I know a few New Yorkers who own homes in Park City. They love it. Park City is 40 minute drive to the Delta Center.

Minnesota. They have fellow Swedes in Jonas Brodin and JEE. Zibanjead liked being around his countryman at the 4 Nations. Mats Zuccarello is there for another year. I really like Liam Ohgren.

Both Utah and Minnesota have cap space. Need help at center.

not a chance in hell Mika waives for Utah

 

[mrmovies779]

not a chance in hell Mika waives for Utah

Jesus wouldn't waive for Utah

 

[UnparalledPark]

How do I dislike this?

It's all fun and games until you realize Dolan is going to hire whoever replaces them

I’ve read a few proposals on here packaging Mika and Kreider in the same trade. Like that shit will ever happen lol

Some of you live in looney tunes land

Oh ye of little faith you wascally wabbit.

 

[UnparalledPark]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say there's a less than zero percent chance that Mika waives for Utah.

Unless of course Kreider agrees to go there.

 

[effen]

That MH chart is why the Rangers are right to want long tall defenseman. Because KAM is dumb as bricks and forgets what planet he's on a lot but being a giraffe who can skate means you're mostly in the right place most of the time and in the long run positioning (which is what hockey sense boils down to) is the most important attribute.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

View attachment 1015496
Some interesting data on our defensemen. My takeaways:

1) Adam Fox. That's it. Just Adam Fox.

2) We might be too hard on Miller. We've discussed the culture vs player responsibility, and where that balance lies. If there's anybody I'm willing to buy it on, it's probably Miller. The analytics are always there with him. I know he's annoying and he know he f***s up a lot, I'm not dismissing that, but there might be something there.

3) Schneider is kind of good but he f***ing BLOWS at 5v5 defense and I'm not sure you can hide that.

4) Borgen is an NHL player but he plays too much.

5) Urho is whatever but he's probably upgradeable tbh.

6) The team low-key is a bit better without Trouba and Lindgren, but we always acknowledged that they have other issues. We're seeing that.

I think this team desperately needs one more really good defensemen to kind of domino everyone else where they should be.

I still think Jones would thrive with a good partner

 

[MrAlmost]

Jones, Kreider and Mika will be traded. Kaliyev won't be qualified. I have a feeling. And I think the Rangers will be frugal at forward. I would not be surprised at all to see:

Panarin-Tro-Cuylle
Laf-Miller-Perreault
Othmann-Pars-Berard
Ed/Brod-Carrick-Rempe

With the defense, I think Gavrikov and Ekblad are on their list. I bet Drury wants both, but Gav is likely the main target.

Miller-Fox
Gav-Schneider
Soucy-Borgen
Vaak

I could even see Soucy and Schneider included in trades for cap and futures to sign Ekblad to slot next to Gav. I figured around 4 million still in cap space with that forward group and that d group. Trading Soucy and Schneider adds another almost 6 million. That would be enough to get Ekblad too.

I'm not saying do it. I think just Gavrikov would help a bunch, but it would be a better defense that's for sure. And with that 4 million if you don't like Pars as a 3C, there is gourde, dvorak, frederic, Appleton, etc.

 

[will1066]

Unless of course Kreider agrees to go there.

That's when Mika's wife gives him the ultimatum. You go to Utah with him and I'm changing the locks.

 

[Boris Zubov]

Interesting. Barnaby and Drury--teammates in Buffalo for quite a while.

They didn't overlap at all. Barnaby left Buffalo in '99. Drury didn't show up in Buffalo til '03-04.

Edit...didn't mean to pile on...I see @GoAwayPanarin & @McRanger92 already corrected you.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Panarin scored 120 points last year. He’s a dynamic game breaking talent.


You want someone like McDavid or MacKinnon who can skate through the entire team and blow the net off the frame.

Those guys are exceedingly rare and you don’t need them to win a cup.

There is a large gap between what we've seen MacK and McDavid do in the playoffs and what Panarin has done.

It isn't fair to expect Panarin to do what the other 2 have done, even at his very best he's still a clear notch below those guys.

The problem is in the playoffs he's been 5 notches below those guys and more on par with Sam Bennett who is basically his team's 4th or 5th option.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Is Brock Boeser a possibility? I would not mind this at all.

 

[JimmyG89]

Before they go after any type of winger free agent, they need to ID a couple of things.

Cuylle and Lafreniere have both been on the right and left this season, would be good to have both of them on their natural side, but that would mean 3rd line minutes for someone (unless Panarin is out). So you have one wing spot open in the top 6.

Next would be, if Mika is still here, which I could see more likely than Kreider, is he still a winger? He was way more productive there, but if there is a new coach, new style, maybe he can go back to C.

What is the plan for Berard, Othmann, and Perreault? If GP is set to start in the A, you have openings for both if you want on the 3rd/4th lines.

Then the giants, Rempe and Edstrom. Besides Cuylle, the biggest growth on the roster came here. There is no denying that, and it might be beneficial to have to both on the flanks. Rempe can play C, but that feels like a losing proposition right now.

I don't know if Drury is really going to be spending from outside the roster on the wing. I think it will be more trades, unless he only gets futures. Kreider is a futures only move. He's not returning a player, you're getting a pick. Mika requires a player back most likely. Panarin would 100% be a player in return.

 

[Alluckks]

Friedman was talking today about how the team basically needs to be gutted to have a turnaround as well as to convince a good coach to come here.

Said it is obvious the team quit on the players - this was directly coming from a Kreider question. Seemed to pin Kreider at the core of both the symbol for guys who quit and also guys that need to be moved on from, but without saying his name directly.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Is Brock Boeser a possibility? I would not mind this at all.

God i hope not. We have enough 1 dimensional wingers.

 

[2014nyr]

God i hope not. We have enough 1 dimensional wingers.

We have enough wingers who’s offensive talent relies on someone else creating space/breakdowns with their pace/puck carrying ability.

If we go after any pricier ufa it should be ehlers. He can fly and is a guy who attacks with the puck. He’s not a perfect solution but there isn’t one…more than anything else though this top 6 needs an injection of pace and aggression on the puck. They need a presence who puts guys on their heels when they get the puck and consistently challenges defenders on the attack. However they address it…trade, ufa, offer sheet, whatever…that needs to be as high a priority as any this offseason.

Find someone who backs teams off, creates broken plays with their pace, causes coverage breakdowns, can beat defenders 1 on 1 and looks for opportunities to do it. Right now the rangers top 2 lines are basically dependent on the opponent having self-inflicted wounds to generate any offense. They have virtually zero ability to break a puck out into a rush that generates a scoring chance, generate of a nz regroup, or create coverage breakdowns from ozone possession for chances with their on and off puck movement.

There’s not a good team in the league without at least 1 truly dynamic presence in their top 6. The rangers have plenty to look themselves in the mirror about this offseason, both individually and as an organization, but there’s no more critical pure roster need to address than adding a dynamic skill presence.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I only buy the Rangers poor development up until a point. Stutzle may have taken an extra couple years but he’d be a point per game player here, no doubt. There isn’t a thing on an ice rink that Kakko or Lafreniere do as well as Stutzle. Kakko is better defensively, Laf is a wash. They don’t pass, skate, shoot, hit, stick handle, cycle, transition or even breath as well as Stutzle. Even with better deployment AND specialized coaching, neither of them has the skill to be considered in the same breath 6 years later. Which just begs the question of what the hell 32 teams pay dozens of scouts very rich salaries to do so poorly to begin with.

Lafreniere was the best player in junior, he fell off when he joined this franchise, same as Kakko, Robertson, Kravtsov, Andersson etc etc.... its the franchise and unless they do something to fix it, Perrault and Othmann are next.

 

[frozenrubber]

I just want to know where "offensive rating" comes from and how it can be such a positive outlier when the player is objectively not good at producing.

Points still matter.

Lafreniere is 'offensive' to watch, I wondered why he didn't score higher on that chart.