Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

I said something similar. He's a very good #5 that I was concerned that we'd pay and play like a #4 and we did.

The key will be whether, if Schneider progresses, NYR have the guts to flip their roles, and unlilke a lot of other situations, I think the right coach would be willing. Borgen would still play 18-19 minutes logging lots of PK time.

He just has to avoid getting fat and partying all summer or the Brendan Smith comps will get worse.

Borgen making 4 mil as a #5 can work. But this team desperately needs a 1B defenseman to push Miller, Borgen down a spot each, and I don't see any available.
It can work because everybody is forced to play in a different role. When you look at the actual bottom pairing players, you have Borgen, Schneider, Vaak, and Soucy all signed for next year. For those 5-7 spots, you're paying 4 players 11.1M. If you bury Vaak, you're looking at 10M spent on dmen that ideally should be in your 5-7 position. If you want to evenly distribute time-on-ice, I suppose you're going to pay those bottom players more, but why are we doing that? Why isn't Fox glued to both powerplay units?
 
Does Messier want a job?

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I dont see how Panarin and Miller are connected at all tbh
Trading for a 32 year old was a move for the next two years and it's kind of ridiculous that people keep trying to tell us it wasn't somehow.

If that's what you're doing, then why make the team less talented over that window?

I know buying vs selling is not always black and white, but getting Miller when they did was a pretty black and white indication that they want to compete with him on the roster. Getting rid of Panarin objectively makes the roster worse.

Just to change the vibes? You could have done that while keeping your 1st round pick.

Acquiring JT Miller was a competitive move and I don't care what anyone says. If they get rid of Panarin, they're downgrading their #1 forward while ostensibly trying to compete.

It doesn't make any sense.
 
Trade him. Work with Panarin on the list of teams.

The Rangers aren't winning with Panarin on the team.

The Rangers missed the playoffs with Panarin this season.
Sure, but then why aren’t they doing a full retool? Get what you can for Miller, Trocheck, and Panarin. Sorry but short cutting it by just moving Panarin isn’t going to do shit for this team.
 
It 100% isn't a minor concern when players are negotiating a contract here. If a player is looking for 6x6 in Buffalo, he's most likely signing for more than 6 here.
and you get more outside hockey revenue in NYC than in buffalo.
It balances out more than you'd think.
 
Based on Drury's 24-25 and the smoke Brooks is blowing, it really looks like the "let's vibe our way to the Cup with punching and yelling" people are gonna get their team.

I think this is amazing actually. We're gonna accidentally get some lottery picks. Hire Messier too!
The team might find a way to grind their way solid enough to being a mid table playoff team the next couple years but if he stays with that path we are gonna be in the hell territory in about 3 years
 
So the plan was to trade a first plus for a 32-year old while making the team worse in the near term by removing your best forward?

Well they traded a first plus Chytil (who was a major question mark in his own right) for a point per game center. JT has scored 100 points in a season as recently as Panarin has. From my vantage point he looks like Panarin's replacement as the facilitator in the top 6. We have young wings that need to play more. Removing guys like Kreider and Panarin gives more opportunity to the likes of Cuylle. Perreault, Lafreniere, Othmann, etc. We need a coach who will actually do that and that actually happening is a different discussion.
 
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Only this organization had a huge chunk of its base acting like a bunch of barking seals from the nostalgia for a championship that was 31 years ago. It will be fun to see them hire Messier and watch it all crash because the guy has a big enough ego to rival the the team’s owner. No actual relevant hockey experience running an organization, but who cares about that. He provides the right lip service to get the seals clapping and that’s what matters. Sell the nostalgia. Hit the bottom lines.

No more 1994.
 
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Only this organization had a huge chunk of its base acting like a bunch of barking seals from the nostalgia for a championship that was 31 years ago. It will be fun to see them hire Messier and watch it all crash because the guy has a big enough ego to rival the the team’s owner. No actual relevant hockey experience running an organization, but who cares about that. He provides the right lip service to get the seals clapping and that’s what matters. Sell the nostalgia. Hit the bottom lines.

No more 1994.

Forget Messier, pretend he's not in the picture. What about the points he's making is incorrect?
 
Sure, but then why aren’t they doing a full retool? Get what you can for Miller, Trocheck, and Panarin. Sorry but short cutting it by just moving Panarin isn’t going to do shit for this team.
Because at the end of the day, your culture is set by your best player(s). Given the comical hissy fits any time (A)da(m) F(o)x is brought up, that's Panarin.

The teams culture has been for 5 years "lets float around and tickle our balls and wait for Foxy and Bread to magic some bullshit" and as those two have gone, so have the Rangers. They must be broken of this. Keeping all your tone setters while running your least important but HF Approved(tm) whipping boys out of town does nothing except get a lot of likes on a messageboard.
 


So for the people crying about the 2026 1st, will you stop if the Rangers decide to keep it? Will that make the JT trade ok in your eyes?
 
didn't mess get a job as a gm once in vancouver? technically he was still an active player but his voice was so loud, authoritative and persuasive that vancouver ownership said let's do this and hired keenan. was the result that messier wound up as being one of the most hated hockey personalities ever in vancouver? fans hated him. ditto the players. we might not want this guy. honestly i'd rather keep drury over the 1994 guy.
 

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