Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[Guyute]

Maybe we can trade Panarin to the Penguins for our former 2026 1st. We get our pick back and make ourselves worse for the McKenna tank job.

 

[SA16]

I'm most angry about the fact that Jones and DeHaan were great assets that have been wasted because of the coaches obsession with playing Vaak and Schneider for 20+ mins a game

How was de Haan a great asset?

 

[SA16]

What I dont understand is, why trade for the guy if you have zero plans to play him? And use a decent draft pick acquired in the same trade to trade for a lesser defenseman that you play every game.

That is the role of a depth defenseman. It was the same thing with Ruhwedel last year.

 

[McRanger92]

A lot of shitty players have complained about their icetime this year. The problem to me is the culture of that being acceptable in the room. Do you think the 13th forward or 8th defenseman for Florida or Colorado would feel emboldened to do that?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I fully understand this keep this pick, defer next years but I’d rather keep next years, this team will definitely be worse or about the same and a lottery pick is much better than a late 20s pick from panarin.

That’s all I’m going to say just to remind people. A top 10 pick is more valuable than a late 20s

And we will have that top 10 pick this draft.

It’s literally impossible to predict how next season will go. A lot will happen in the offseason.

 

[jerseyjinx94]

A lot of shitty players have complained about their icetime this year. The problem to me is the culture of that being acceptable in the room. Do you think the 13th forward or 8th defenseman for Florida or Colorado would feel emboldened to do that?

Winning does that. Last year when the Rangers were presidents trophy winners, you didn’t hear a peep. This year they suck so guys are frustrated. Simple

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

And we will have that top 10 pick this draft.

It’s literally impossible to predict how next season will go. A lot will happen in the offseason.

We are all literally pulling our hair out trying to figure out how we can retool this team to be a contender, it’s going to take awhile. I’ve seen trades to fix different glaring holes but then the rest of the team sans defense looks horrendous.i whole heartedly believe that this team will be worse or finish the same as next year. I don’t see the possibility of them being better. It’s just a bad team with awful coaching.


Then we have to consider that this year is considered to be a much weaker draft than next year. Then unless it’s a top 5 pick this year I don’t see the point in keeping it. So why not have 2 picks in the first round in a deep draft next season?

 

[LokiDog]

Not that he’s a target, but man… Rasmus Dahlin may be the most wasted player in the league in Buffalo. He’s freaking good. His mobility and shot are filthy and he’s got a nice mean streak. I think he’s a much better defender than he gets credit for and he just turned 25 today. Get him a partner. Feels like he’s been in the league forever. He’s 3 months younger than KAM. Hard to believe.

 

[Alluckks]

Grass is always greener is an often used idiom

The low hanging fruit is teams like Buffalo

How about going into year 7 of Yzer-plan in Detroit, who had 20+ years of being vaunted contenders

An asterisk next to any season is used to denote a playoff appearance

 

[Alluckks]

A lot of shitty players have complained about their icetime this year. The problem to me is the culture of that being acceptable in the room. Do you think the 13th forward or 8th defenseman for Florida or Colorado would feel emboldened to do that?

Multiple of those players are journeyman dudes that have been around the league plenty and rode the bench plenty. Vesey and De Haan have never been cancers or any bullshit kinda stuff to my knowledge, just dudes trying to work hard but aren't that good. They are used to getting benched at times, waived, traded for peanuts, etc. So, to me, that says there was a greater level of dysfunction with the coaching staff. A complete lack of respect between the coaches and players, but also likely some pretty shit ways of not just setting the lineup but also explaining why (or not explaining and treating these players like they are kids in peewee).

Tons of guys on this team deserved at least a 1 game benching at times, or even were dealing with apparent health issues (Schneider and Kreider we know for sure were) and a chance to let some other dudes rotate in, but it never happened.

 

[RangersFan1994]

good scrap. love the douchebag shove from roobroeck on the lil bridgeport pissant. dorrington getting a taste is good too.

I think Roobroeck has enough skill to be a 3rd line center. I hope he gets a chance. He is the most skilled of the 6’7 players in the organization. I’d love for him to have a great camp and get a look next season.

 

[RangersFan1994]

What I dont understand is, why trade for the guy if you have zero plans to play him? And use a decent draft pick acquired in the same trade to trade for a lesser defenseman that you play every game.

Why sign a young player in Perreault you continue to scratch? I have those same type of questions

 

[JimmyG89]

I fully understand this keep this pick, defer next years but I’d rather keep next years, this team will definitely be worse or about the same and a lottery pick is much better than a late 20s pick from panarin.

That’s all I’m going to say just to remind people. A top 10 pick is more valuable than a late 20s

This team is not a late 20s pick next season. This is a changing of the guard. Columbus is improving, the Flyers are beginning to. Canes will always be a postseason team, same as the Devils. Washington is a wildcard. Pens and Isles are down with us. A lot of these Atlantic teams are improving too, so a wild card will be tough to come about.

Outside a lottery win, you move this pick out. This pick won't save Drury. That 2026 1st has way more value.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I’m actually more bullish on Drury as a GM than most, I think he’s made enough moves that show he’s a good enough talent evaluator (on the whole) and has shown he will move on from guys who shouldn’t be part of the solution here and is eager to make moves.

However and it’s a big however, I think he’s clearly demonstrated he is atrocious at the communicating and relationships side of this with his players and from reporting it seems like he’s somewhat a paranoid type. The organization could probably benefit from a President to come in and handle the areas Drury has shortcomings in instead of him being both President and GM.

 

[bleedblue94]

But not openly critical of Drury. Vince has openly criticized Drury’s errors. Vince is a breath of fresh air to read. Larry Brooks is still a Dolan pawn.

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Vince missed the boat for months when he was inviting the players to blame Drury for all this crap before Christmas. I don't think Vince even realized what was happening with the players bc he constantly gave them an out to shit on Drury and escape responsibility. Then when Brooks went after the player Vince followed suit.

Why are people trying to have beat writers wars now??

 

[bleedblue94]

I’m actually more bullish on Drury as a GM than most, I think he’s made enough moves that show he’s a good enough talent evaluator (on the whole) and has shown he will move on from guys who shouldn’t be part of the solution here and is eager to make moves.

However and it’s a big however, I think he’s clearly demonstrated he is atrocious at the communicating and relationships side of this with his players and from reporting it seems like he’s somewhat a paranoid type. The organization could probably benefit from a President to come in and handle the areas Drury has shortcomings in instead of him being both President and GM.

In some sick way I wonder how Drury would do as just a gm but with a president overseeing him. I think this situation was doomed from the start bc Drury is a narcissist and they gave him both titles with basically day to day oversite above him and no one for him to lean on when needed with his lack of experience

 

[Whoot Whoot]

I think best cast scenario is Drury hires a Lieutenant ; someone strong willed like Messier or something (obv. Not Mess) next coach can’t be a fatty

 

[egelband]

I’m actually more bullish on Drury as a GM than most, I think he’s made enough moves that show he’s a good enough talent evaluator (on the whole) and has shown he will move on from guys who shouldn’t be part of the solution here and is eager to make moves.

However and it’s a big however, I think he’s clearly demonstrated he is atrocious at the communicating and relationships side of this with his players and from reporting it seems like he’s somewhat a paranoid type. The organization could probably benefit from a President to come in and handle the areas Drury has shortcomings in instead of him being both President and GM.

This has been my thinking too. Drury is in over his head with both jobs. One or the other. Give the other guy the communication part. Could really be either role.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

What I dont understand is, why trade for the guy if you have zero plans to play him? And use a decent draft pick acquired in the same trade to trade for a lesser defenseman that you play every game.

Colorado may have insisted on De Haan being in the deal, maybe Drury didn't want him.

 

[Machinehead]

I’m actually more bullish on Drury as a GM than most, I think he’s made enough moves that show he’s a good enough talent evaluator (on the whole) and has shown he will move on from guys who shouldn’t be part of the solution here and is eager to make moves.

However and it’s a big however, I think he’s clearly demonstrated he is atrocious at the communicating and relationships side of this with his players and from reporting it seems like he’s somewhat a paranoid type. The organization could probably benefit from a President to come in and handle the areas Drury has shortcomings in instead of him being both President and GM.

If he was good at evaluating talent, the team wouldn't have Soucy playing over de Haan to begin with.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Insane how so much has changed since this

 

[leetch99]

Maybe we can trade Panarin to the Penguins for our former 2026 1st. We get our pick back and make ourselves worse for the McKenna tank job.

Penguins will get McKenna with OUR pick.....so why would they trade it away ? Rangers are the only club stupid enough to do that move . Giving them the 26 pick is going to haunt us for 15 years like losing Crosby did .....

 

[Siddi]

That doesn't explain how he can play fairly well then promptly sit for 18 games...especially after Soucy stunk up the joint.

Soucy plays becuase JT Miller wanted him on the Rangers. Another pie to the face on those who claimed JT was this messiah who would fix the locker room issues. He is just another mopey player who needs his comfort blanky.

 

[LionsHeart]

As a fan it’s rare you see a situation where you come away hating everyone. I’ve never felt so detached from a team. We’ve seen bad teams before, but I’ll never forgive them for effectively quitting in the beginning of the season.

Drury really has to go. He took a bad situation and made it 100% worse. I think his evaluation of the team was correct, but sending out that memo and trying to slapdash this in the middle of a season clearly created a horrible environment.

While I don’t completely blame him, I thought Laviolette did a really bad job this season. The loyalty to his vets and refusal to elevate young players, and his stubbornness when it came to the style of play really bit this team in the ass. I know this group have become a group of coach killers, but Laviolettes whole philosophy seems extremely outdated.

Then all thing being said, this is the softest, most weak minded team I’ve ever seen. Lafreniere especially pisses me off. While the Vets were throwing their Pity Party he joined in instead of stepping up and taking a bigger role on the team. The only guys I’m not mad at are JT Miller, Panarin, and Cuylle. Zibanejad I’m SLIGHTLY less mad at, but would prefer he’s not here next year.

 

[RangerBoy]

Brooks said JT Miller, Trocheck, Cuylle, Fox, Schneider and Igor are the Rangers core. The Rangers need to get away from the recyclable head coaches and they need a head coach to empower the younger players to help support the Rangers core group. Easier said than done. Larry mentioned someone like David Carle but Carle is in no rush to leave Denver.

Carle has three toddlers under the age of 5. EF said Carle is not going to a situation where he can't win.

EF and Kyle mentioned the de Haan stuff on the pod this morning.



Drury has terrible communication skills.