Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

Assuming they keep the pick this year, Drury almost has to keep Panarin. If they trade him they’ll be absolutely garbage next year.

And there’s the NMC that I would be willing to bet he won’t waive.

Trading Panarin is an exercise in futility.
Exactly. There’s zero chance Drury is trading Panarin after giving up an unprotected 1st for next season. He’s going to be pushing his chips in to make sure that pick isn’t a Lottery pick.
 
Not disagreeing with anything you said and perhaps this is a dumb question on my part, but we know about the situation last summer that Drury ran into with trying to trade Trouba and his agent and all of that. Kreider's NMC turned into a M-NTC on July 1 last summer, no? The memo came out in November. If he was hell bent on altering the core and he couldn't deal Trouba at the time in July, why didn't he just shift plans and deal Kreider first and then Trouba later? Maybe there were trade talks and Drury didn't like the offers and figured he'd try to wait until the season/trade deadline and hope a contending team would overpay? Or maybe Dolan said no and wanted another kick at the can? Feels like there's something I'm not understanding about it. Maybe this was already addressed and I missed the explanation.

As an owner of a team, do you think Dolan would have been in favor of trading Kreider last offseason? Likely, getting buy-in to trade Trouba was a difficult task based on the ECF they made now think about what it would take to trade a guy like Kreider who is home-grown, the longest tenured player on the squad and a leader on the team. I doubt that was on the table from ownership last off-season
 
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Maybe the actual cancer is Calvin de Haan. How come Carolina/Tampa/Colorado all got rid of him in three straight years? How come none of his previous teams wanted to re-sign him when he has been getting league minimum deals? How come he has been a permanently healthy scratch in the playoffs for Carolina/Tampa? How come he didn't play 60 games in a season for any of those teams in the last 3 years?
 
Based on what we saw and heard from last offseason, does anyone truly think that Drury was super impressed by this teams core group? He waived Goodrow, apparently ruthlessly, tried for a month to trade the teams captain and very soon in to the season, sent out a memo basically saying he was open to trading the teams longest tenured player in Kreider, likely on a longer list than what we we heard.

What part of that information, taken as a whole, make people think that it’s unlikely that Drury pushed for major changes last season but may have faced internal resistance (Dolan?) to cut down a roster that just made the ECF and was projected to be a SC favorite entering the year? If anything, I’d say it’s more likely than not that Drury would have made wholesale changes last offseason if the opportunities presented themselves and he was allowed to do so.

This season was a nightmare on so many levels. Players underperformed, the coaching staff appeared to lose the room completely, among other things. If Drury was touting the fact that this team needed changes even after their ECF appearance last year than I’m giving him more time. If that’s the case, which evidence tells me is true, then he’s pushing towards a major shuffle this offseason. That’s what we all want to see. Not every trade or move will work out but if they’re at least willing to make major moves, than I’m in. Most GM’s would not have even hinted at the idea of trading Trouba or Kreider, let’s be honest.

The bolded is 100% conjecture from you. Everything we heard last summer was that Drury desperately wanted to trade Trouba, and then was held up by Trouba & his agent.

Finding trades in the NHL is hard, and Drury was hamstrung by clauses Gorton signed - all fair.

But why is it always someone else's fault that the guy can't execute what he wants to execute? To the point we're inventing stuff about Dolan, that what Dolan reversed course on in December? C'mon man.

At some point you record is what your actions, or inactions, say it is.
 
Thank the GM for that.
I can't tell you not to post about a scenario 15 months in the future where the Penguins hit a 3% chance with the Rangers pick to win the lotto because it's a conditional of a conditional of a conditional and vanishingly unlikely.

But I can recommend not posting about it. Or thinking about it. It's a sub 0.5% occurrence.
 
The bolded is 100% conjecture from you. Everything we heard last summer was that Drury desperately wanted to trade Trouba, and then was held up by Trouba & his agent.

Finding trades in the NHL is hard, and Drury was hamstrung by clauses Gorton signed - all fair.

But why is it always someone else's fault that the guy can't execute what he wants to execute? To the point we're inventing stuff about Dolan, that what Dolan reversed course on in December? C'mon man.

At some point you record is what your actions, or inactions, say it is.
Also, he eventually did get rid of Trouba and we saw what his master plan was to replace him. In some ways I wish Trouba had a full NMC. Drury needs guardrails so large that he can’t crash into every wall he sees.
 
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As an owner of a team, do you think Dolan would have been in favor of trading Kreider last offseason? Likely, getting buy-in to trade Trouba was a difficult task based on the ECF they made now think about what it would take to trade a guy like Kreider who is home-grown, the longest tenured player on the squad and a leader on the team. I doubt that was on the table from ownership last off-season

Makes sense to be owner driven. But then what changed for Dolan between July and November when the memo came out when the team was 12-6-1? I remember reading/hearing the memo wasn't supposed to leak to the public. Maybe that was all Drury just to test the waters to see what he could get in a trade, then it gets leaked, and Dolan didn't know until it leaked?

Maybe Drury thought if he came to Dolan with a decent offer for Kreider on the table, he could convince him to allow it?
 
I can't tell you not to post about a scenario 15 months in the future where the Penguins hit a 3% chance with the Rangers pick to win the lotto because it's a conditional of a conditional of a conditional and vanishingly unlikely.

But I can recommend not posting about it. Or thinking about it. It's a sub 0.5% occurrence.
Why do they have to win the lotto?

This team is going to be worse next season then this season.

The draft next year is deeper than this year.

The pick being top 10 is not far fetched.
 
LOL the teams 8th defenseman is now calling out everyone. Was he promised playing time that never came? Is he pissed that Robertson was called up to get some games? I'm actually legitimately curious to know what his gripe is.
 

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