Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[HatTrick Swayze]

I think there’s a more than decent chance this team makes moves around the edges than does anything substantial.

I think you’re gonna see Kreider out the door. Maybe a defensemen gets traded. But I’m more inclined to believe there isn’t a big overhaul of the roster.

And then we’ll hear about how Drury isn’t to blame and hasn’t had enough of an opportunity to remake the team.

 

[UnSandvich]

Adam Fox has posted career bests in each of these categories this season: CF%, xGF%, P/60 at 5v5, Primary Assists/60 at 5v5, and total assists/60 at 5v5. Lmao.

Too bad, he looks up at the ceiling a lot so he's bad.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

As most have said, Kreider is most definitely gone. If that is all Drury can do (Panarin is definitely movable and would bring in a haul though that would be raising the white flag a bit for next season, Zib I can't see something working out), that cap space should be used on a D like Gavrikov.

See what the market is for K Miller. Re-sign Cuylle. Zib has played a lot better when paired with Miller, though whoever the coach is should give all the lines a long leash especially the kids.

Laff - Miller - Zib
Panarin - Tro - Perreault
Cuylle - Edstrom - Othmann (This line would be a Pita to playing against)
Berard - Carrick - Rempe (Another pita line)
Brodz

Gavrikov - Fox
Miller(?) - Schneider
Soucy - Borgen
Vaak

 

[Filip Chytil]

Translation: "I'm done-zo!"

 

[Cmox]

Robertson, othman and Gabe playing vs the Panthers..

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[Filip Chytil]

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Makes sense, he seemed to be less physical as the season went on.

 

[McRanger92]

In a season full of disastrous defensive play, I thought Schneider was average. Play him more next year because he can skate and has some offensive talent. I'll ask a question I've asked all season, why was he playing when Jones and deHaan showed they were perfectly capable at points?

 

[Mike in Houston]

In a season full of disastrous defensive play, I thought Schneider was average. Play him more next year because he can skate and has some offensive talent. I'll ask a question I've asked all season, why was he playing when Jones and deHaan showed they were perfectly capable at points?

Because he wasn't hurt enough not to.

I'm glad the NHL isn't the NBA.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I want Mess back in some capacity. I feel he can help to turn things around regarding the team culture. However he has a big ego and does not seem to listen to other people feedback. I think if he ever wants a job in the NHL he needs to learn how to be more tactful.

So think about the words you just spoke.
You want him to fix the culture. But he has a big ego and he doesn’t listen to other people.
So the opposite of someone who you would want to fix the culture…

 

[IDvsEGO]

Adam Fox has posted career bests in each of these categories this season: CF%, xGF%, P/60 at 5v5, Primary Assists/60 at 5v5, and total assists/60 at 5v5. Lmao.

The power play drop off was the lost offense.
I’d have to look at numbers but I think we might’ve had some improvement at 5v5 for some players

 

[NYR Viper]

Panarin is 100% moveable. He and Kreider are the guys to use to backfill depth. Those are ‘easy’ decisions. Retain on Panarin or take back a contract for a player who fills a hole.

They just have too many wingers and those moves make sense.

Zibanejad to wing with Miller and Cuylle appears to work. There’s your 1st line.

Trochek and Lafreniere are going to need a 3rd member. Perrault and Othmann are options.

What is Drury’s thoughts for 3C? Brodzinski? Parssinen? Acquisition?

The teams 4th line, at least to start the season, is settled. Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe is highly effective.

Berard, Othmann and Perrault, whoever is left are the two wingers for the 3rd line. Likely, for me, it’s Othmann and Berard. Familiarity from Hartford.

 

[Good Intentions]

Any trades need to bring back a puck carrier to help Fox out .....I'm not sure Drury can handle this stuff . Give Pens the 25 pick...DO NOT TEMPT FATE...it's the Pens and the Rangers and we know how that will go !!!

You’re not giving away the 9th overall pick, simply asinine. Stop.

 

[McRanger92]

Because he wasn't hurt enough not to.

I'm glad the NHL isn't the NBA.

The NHL constantly has teams manipulating the salary cap by keeping injured guys out of the lineup until the playoffs. The Rangers are like the only contending team over the last few years that doesnt. Has nothing to do with NBA/NHL rest culture.

 

[Good Intentions]

Hard to believe that nearly one year ago, Kreider was seemingly immortalized (number retired etc) for the hat-trick performance against Carolina. The narrative shifts so quickly.

I think it’s both physical and mental for 20. Cerebral, cantankerous guy - and one of my personal favorites. Hard to believe we’re here, 11 months later.

He’s likely gone, but I wouldn’t say 100%

Breakup day will be fascinating.

 

[McRanger92]

Panarin is 100% moveable. He and Kreider are the guys to use to backfill depth. Those are ‘easy’ decisions. Retain on Panarin or take back a contract for a player who fills a hole.

They just have too many wingers and those moves make sense.

Zibanejad to wing with Miller and Cuylle appears to work. There’s your 1st line.

Trochek and Lafreniere are going to need a 3rd member. Perrault and Othmann are options.

What is Drury’s thoughts for 3C? Brodzinski? Parssinen? Acquisition?

The teams 4th line, at least to start the season, is settled. Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe is highly effective.

Berard, Othmann and Perrault, whoever is left are the two wingers for the 3rd line. Likely, for me, it’s Othmann and Berard. Familiarity from Hartford.

I think they need to approach Panarin about working with them on a trade. They can get a lot of assets for him (including a 2026 1st for all the people worried about next year's pick). I think they can work something out. If he doesnt want to go, he'll likely be a casualty in-season next year. It's kind of a no-lose situation with him imo. JT Miller can be the #1 offensive option surrounded by Cuylle, Perreault, Lafreniere (when he gets his head out of his ass).

 

[McRanger92]

Hard to believe that nearly one year ago, Kreider was seemingly immortalized (number retired etc) for the hat-trick performance against Carolina. The narrative shifts so quickly.

I think it’s both physical and mental for 20. Cerebral, cantankerous guy - and one of my personal favorites. Hard to believe we’re here, 11 months later.

He’s likely gone, but I wouldn’t say 100%

Breakup day will be fascinating.

Cantankerous with coaching and management. Not so much with the opposing teams.

 

[Filip Chytil]

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And then we pick a guy who we think is a franchise player only for him to become Laf 2.0

 

[Mike in Houston]

I'm looking forward to seeing who the next player is going to be to be constantly shit on next season so I can join in. I gotta hang with the cool kids and not be the outlier.

 

[ThePeoplesPeople]

I'm the eternal optimist - I think with just a few moves we could be back in the hunt next season. Obviously awful vibes this year. Will ditching Kreider and Lav fix that? In order of importance (in my opinion):

1) New coach, duh. For the love of god deploy a defense that suits the personnel. I don't know what that is. But it's definitely not what we saw this year.
2) Acquire 2C with 1C potential (Rossi, Wright, Batherson, Pinto, McTavish, etc.. easier said than done of course).
3) Find. Fox. A. Damn. Partner. Hopefully it's Fortescue in 26/27. But need someone immediately.
4) Let the kids play. Nice blend of youth and vets - no reason we cannot bounce back next year.

Kreider + Miller + picks/prospects for Rossi (he's been in trade rumors for years .. obviously that quieted and he had a hell of a year, but worth visiting. Kaprizov payday looming. Blow them away with an offer.

Gavrikov big FA signing.

Start Gabe in AHL. See how things go .. flexibility to move Panarin at deadline and stock the cupboard. Fill in around the edges.

Not crazy about the D, but hopefully a coaching change yields surprising (positive) results. And think it's ambitious to expect a bunch of guys to be shown the door

Cuylle - Miller - Zibs
Panarin - Rossi - Othmann
Berard - Trocheck - Laf
Edstrom - Carrick - Rempe/Brodz

Gavrikov Fox
Soucy Borgen
Vak Schneider

Igor
Quick

 

[DanielBrassard]

Panarin is 100% moveable. He and Kreider are the guys to use to backfill depth. Those are ‘easy’ decisions. Retain on Panarin or take back a contract for a player who fills a hole.

They just have too many wingers and those moves make sense.

Zibanejad to wing with Miller and Cuylle appears to work. There’s your 1st line.

Trochek and Lafreniere are going to need a 3rd member. Perrault and Othmann are options.

What is Drury’s thoughts for 3C? Brodzinski? Parssinen? Acquisition?

The teams 4th line, at least to start the season, is settled. Edstrom-Carrick-Rempe is highly effective.

Berard, Othmann and Perrault, whoever is left are the two wingers for the 3rd line. Likely, for me, it’s Othmann and Berard. Familiarity from Hartford.

Can’t wait to gift the Penguins McKenna

 

[eco's bones]

If Drury isn't canned he will make moves to get the Rangers back to the playoffs next year. Dolan might let him get away with one year.....I seriously doubt he's going to let Chris get away with two years of the team underperforming. Drury moved out the leadership core of the team and did pretty much nothing to address it afterwards and those who could have possibly stepped up to assume leadership didn't want to. There were never any real consequence for those underperforming. That's on the coaching staff. Zip played every game, Lafreniere played every game, Kreider and K'Andre played pretty much every game they could.

There is also the issue of cap constraints. There is a floor and there is a ceiling. Right now that's not a problem apart from adding too much more salary. The Rangers can't get rid of every big contract they have or at least without taking some back or overpaying younger players. I don't think this idea of just going full rebuild with mostly kids and living with whatever pain that comes from that for the next several years is all that feasible. There has to be a balance between vets and younger players.....between high priced and bargain basement just to make the cap work. The other thing is this is pretty much what the Sabres have been doing. They have a lot of great young kids but they haven't been to the playoffs in 14/15 years or whatever.

 

[Filip Chytil]

Based on what we saw and heard from last offseason, does anyone truly think that Drury was super impressed by this teams core group? He waived Goodrow, apparently ruthlessly, tried for a month to trade the teams captain and very soon in to the season, sent out a memo basically saying he was open to trading the teams longest tenured player in Kreider, likely on a longer list than what we we heard.

What part of that information, taken as a whole, make people think that it’s unlikely that Drury pushed for major changes last season but may have faced internal resistance (Dolan?) to cut down a roster that just made the ECF and was projected to be a SC favorite entering the year? If anything, I’d say it’s more likely than not that Drury would have made wholesale changes last offseason if the opportunities presented themselves and he was allowed to do so.

This season was a nightmare on so many levels. Players underperformed, the coaching staff appeared to lose the room completely, among other things. If Drury was touting the fact that this team needed changes even after their ECF appearance last year than I’m giving him more time. If that’s the case, which evidence tells me is true, then he’s pushing towards a major shuffle this offseason. That’s what we all want to see. Not every trade or move will work out but if they’re at least willing to make major moves, than I’m in. Most GM’s would not have even hinted at the idea of trading Trouba or Kreider, let’s be honest.

Not disagreeing with anything you said and perhaps this is a dumb question on my part, but we know about the situation last summer that Drury ran into with trying to trade Trouba and his agent and all of that. Kreider's NMC turned into a M-NTC on July 1 last summer, no? The memo came out in November. If he was hell bent on altering the core and he couldn't deal Trouba at the time in July, why didn't he just shift plans and deal Kreider first and then Trouba later? Maybe there were trade talks and Drury didn't like the offers and figured he'd try to wait until the season/trade deadline and hope a contending team would overpay? Or maybe Dolan said no and wanted another kick at the can? Feels like there's something I'm not understanding about it. Maybe this was already addressed and I missed the explanation.

 

[Bob Richards]

Adam Fox has posted career bests in each of these categories this season: CF%, xGF%, P/60 at 5v5, Primary Assists/60 at 5v5, and total assists/60 at 5v5. Lmao.

Yeah but he's short enough that I don't think he'd look good with me posing for prom pictures or something.