Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[JohnC]

In fairness he hasn’t had a lot of picks to work with and their development of some of these depth guys has been pretty impressive compared to where it was 5-7 years ago.

How is this not specifically his own fault?

 

[noncents]

How is this not specifically his own fault?

it's like seinfeld's 'Night Guy' vs 'Day Guy' bit.

Draft Drury's lack of picks is Deadline Drury's fault!

 

[NYR Viper]

How is this not specifically his own fault?

When he stepped in to the position the team was competing and lacked young depth in general coming up from Hartford. Yes he’s traded away picks but that’s what teams do when pushing to compete. All I’m saying is that it’s not exactly a surprise that the team hasn’t been able to develop a high end player recently. I mean Lafreniere and Schneider are still young and beyond those guys, the next 1st was Othmann, then Perrault, then Emery. The team hasn’t had a 2nd round pick in what seems like eons

 

[Machinehead]

It was fun at the time but the 2022 team giving this front office any idea that they were contending immediately did long-term damage.

Especially considering how badly Pittsburgh outplayed them in the first round.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Watching the leafs game and their defensive system is what I want this team to do, they expend very little energy, protect the center of the ice and break out as a unit...all things we don't do.

 

[JohnC]

When he stepped in to the position the team was competing and lacked young depth in general coming up from Hartford. Yes he’s traded away picks but that’s what teams do when pushing to compete. All I’m saying is that it’s not exactly a surprise that the team hasn’t been able to develop a high end player recently. I mean Lafreniere and Schneider are still young and beyond those guys, the next 1st was Othmann, then Perrault, then Emery. The team hasn’t had a 2nd round pick in what seems like eons

Again, is the implication here that this isn't his own doing? It's a pretty common criticism of him that he irresponsibly spends draft picks.

A quick snippet of picks across both regimes:

The team also currently has no 2nd rounds picks in 2026 & 2027 as a result of the Nemeth trade and the Reilly Smith trade.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Can trent frederic be a legit 3C?

No.

 

[GAGLine]

When he stepped in to the position the team was competing and lacked young depth in general coming up from Hartford. Yes he’s traded away picks but that’s what teams do when pushing to compete. All I’m saying is that it’s not exactly a surprise that the team hasn’t been able to develop a high end player recently. I mean Lafreniere and Schneider are still young and beyond those guys, the next 1st was Othmann, then Perrault, then Emery. The team hasn’t had a 2nd round pick in what seems like eons

Yes, teams spend picks. Drury has wasted far too many of them. He signed Nemeth then used two 2nds to get rid of him. He has spent many picks on rentals that weren't re-signed. Copp, Tarasenko, Mikkola, Kane, Wennberg, and many others.

He has also traded away players and prospects and doesn't have much to show for it. We spent a 2nd and 5th on Smith, traded him for a 3rd and a bust prospect, then used that 3rd to get Soucy. Will Soucy even be here next year?

I commend him for getting rid of Trouba and Goodrow and getting something of value for Lindgren, but outside of those moves and signing Trocheck, he has been objectively bad.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Again, is the implication here that this isn't his own doing? It's a pretty common criticism of him that he irresponsibly spends draft picks.

A quick snippet of picks across both regimes:

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The team also currently has no 2nd rounds picks in 2026 & 2027 as a result of the Nemeth trade and the Reilly Smith trade.

Trying to find the guy who did this

 

[IDvsEGO]

Dolan’s politics are the foundation of this team’s unrelenting history of failure.
Rangers will continue to fail until he’s gone.

Politics?
Like democrat vs republican??

Because Dolan is a massive republican donor.
Massive!

 

[RangerBoy]

EF expects Gabe to turn pro. Unknown if the ELC will start this season. Ryan Leonard is expected to play for the Caps this season. Don't know about Perreault playing this season for the Rangers.

 

[RangerBoy]

Yes, teams spend picks. Drury has wasted far too many of them. He signed Nemeth then used two 2nds to get rid of him. He has spent many picks on rentals that weren't re-signed. Copp, Tarasenko, Mikkola, Kane, Wennberg, and many others.

He has also traded away players and prospects and doesn't have much to show for it. We spent a 2nd and 5th on Smith, traded him for a 3rd and a bust prospect, then used that 3rd to get Soucy. Will Soucy even be here next year?

I commend him for getting rid of Trouba and Goodrow and getting something of value for Lindgren, but outside of those moves and signing Trocheck, he has been objectively bad.

Drury has been a disaster. But if Dolan were to replace him, who’s the next disaster he’d hire? It was Dolan who cleared out the Rangers’ front office to hand Drury the job in the first place, and given how stubborn he is, firing Drury now would mean admitting he was wrong four years ago. That’s not happening—Drury is staying, for better or worse.

Then again, as the saying goes, the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. But at this point, could someone else really do a worse job?

 

[jerseyjinx94]

It’s really difficult to judge Drury on the success of players elsewhere that he didn’t sign. Like Mikkola. Is he the same effective player here that he is in FLA? I’m not so sure of that. A lot of it has to do with culture. You have to build the culture. I think that was part of bringing in JTM. Change the culture. It’s a long term thing. It doesn’t happen overnight. You want to acquire guys with skill sets and have them seamlessly transition to your team and play a certain way. Then you have to have a system and culture that encourages that play style or even demands it.

 

[SA16]

Drury has been a disaster. But if Dolan were to replace him, who’s the next disaster he’d hire? It was Dolan who cleared out the Rangers’ front office to hand Drury the job in the first place, and given how stubborn he is, firing Drury now would mean admitting he was wrong four years ago. That’s not happening—Drury is staying, for better or worse.

Then again, as the saying goes, the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. But at this point, could someone else really do a worse job?

How do you know the bad moves were Drury and not Sather whispering in Dolan's ear?

 

[Machinehead]

Edmonton missed the playoffs for a very long time, wasting a bunch of high picks, before they got to where they are. Vegas built a team out of spare parts and won a cup.

At the end of the day, smart decisions are what matter most. We don't make nearly enough of them. Is our scouting that much worse? Are our GMs and coaches that much worse? We've gone through different iterations on all of them and still can't get over the hump.

I've said before that I think our biggest issue is a lack of patience, but maybe it's really a lack of vision. What kind of team do we want to have? Over the last 7 years, we've had a mix bag of players. Our top 6 constantly reverts to playing east/west while our bottom 6 plays more north/south. It's no wonder we have so much trouble finding lines that work.

Every time we change the GM or coaching staff, the vision changes. It wasn't that long ago we were a speed team, now we're one of the slowest in the league. The organization needs an identity. We need to have a vision for what we want the team to be and stick to it. If a GM or coach strays from that vision, fire him and bring in someone who aligns with our philosophy.

I don't really care what style we play. Just pick something and stick to it.

I totally agree that we lack vision.

We just collect players that are available and when they end up inevitably not on the same page, we put them into a caste system. Somebody mentioned that yesterday.

At the same time, I fear that the vision is rapidly becoming "have a bunch of grinders."

 

[Machinehead]

Again, is the implication here that this isn't his own doing? It's a pretty common criticism of him that he irresponsibly spends draft picks.

A quick snippet of picks across both regimes:

View attachment 1002972

The team also currently has no 2nd rounds picks in 2026 & 2027 as a result of the Nemeth trade and the Reilly Smith trade.

And then we flipped what we got back in the Smith trade for Soucy. Traded a bunch of draft picks for Carson Soucy.

 

[HonestGabe]

Watching the NCAA games yesterday and seeing teams protect the net front and play with pace on both sides of the ice was refreshing to see. Penn State is a very well coached team. Denver completely locked down BC.

I'd give David Carle a blank check to coach this team. I heard Seravalli on his pod mention Carle only wants an opportunity to be part of an org that will include him in roster construction, like Brind'Amour does.

There are a lot of USA hockey ties here. He's familiar with Muse, he's familiar with Perreault, Berard, Emery, Fortescue already. Honestly, we need some cohesion between the front office and coaching staff. That's the kind of culture change this team needs.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Watching the NCAA games yesterday and seeing teams protect the net front and play with pace on both sides of the ice was refreshing to see. Penn State is a very well coached team. Denver completely locked down BC.

I'd give David Carle a blank check to coach this team. I heard Seravalli on his pod mention Carle only wants an opportunity to be part of an org that will include him in roster construction, like Brind'Amour does.

There are a lot of USA hockey ties here. He's familiar with Muse, he's familiar with Perreault, Berard, Emery, Fortescue already. Honestly, we need some cohesion between the front office and coaching staff. That's the kind of culture change this team needs.

Yea, Drury will never allow that. Guess we aren't getting Carle.

 

[HonestGabe]

Yea, Drury will never allow that. Guess we aren't getting Carle.

God I hate this f***ing team

 

[McRanger92]

Watching the NCAA games yesterday and seeing teams protect the net front and play with pace on both sides of the ice was refreshing to see. Penn State is a very well coached team. Denver completely locked down BC.

I'd give David Carle a blank check to coach this team. I heard Seravalli on his pod mention Carle only wants an opportunity to be part of an org that will include him in roster construction, like Brind'Amour does.

There are a lot of USA hockey ties here. He's familiar with Muse, he's familiar with Perreault, Berard, Emery, Fortescue already. Honestly, we need some cohesion between the front office and coaching staff. That's the kind of culture change this team needs.

If the Rangers are going the college route its going to be Pandolfo. BU and USA Hockey ties, and an ex-player and multiple Cup winner which I think is important when building a culture. Would be like the twilight zone going after another BU guy lol

 

[NYR Viper]

If the Rangers are going the college route its going to be Pandolfo. BU and USA Hockey ties, and an ex-player and multiple Cup winner which I think is important when building a culture. Would be like the twilight zone going after another BU guy lol

I wouldn't mind Pandolfo. Muse should stick around and I like Peca but he may leave for a head coaching spot somewhere. If I got my way, I'd ask Peca to go to Hartford and be the head coach there for 2-3 years and tell him that he would be the next choice for head coach if things go well for him down there.

 

[McRanger92]

I wouldn't mind Pandolfo. Muse should stick around and I like Peca but he may leave for a head coaching spot somewhere. If I got my way, I'd ask Peca to go to Hartford and be the head coach there for 2-3 years and tell him that he would be the next choice for head coach if things go well for him down there.

This coaching staff has a stink on them. I like Peca but will he change anything? I still think theres a 40% chance Laviolette stays and they make him hire a new D coach. The only guy saying hes getting fired is Seravalli. Everyone else has said his job is secure.

 

[NYR Viper]

This coaching staff has a stink on them. I like Peca but will he change anything? I still think theres a 40% chance Laviolette stays and they make him hire a new D coach. The only guy saying hes getting fired is Seravalli. Everyone else has said his job is secure.

Did he sign a 3 or 4 year deal? I thought it was 3

 

[Machinehead]

My fear with college coaches, and it came true with David Quinn, is that there's already a built-in culture that you ride your seniors until they fall over and the freshmen are happy to be there. We're trying to get away from that.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Drury has been a disaster. But if Dolan were to replace him, who’s the next disaster he’d hire? It was Dolan who cleared out the Rangers’ front office to hand Drury the job in the first place, and given how stubborn he is, firing Drury now would mean admitting he was wrong four years ago. That’s not happening—Drury is staying, for better or worse.

Then again, as the saying goes, the devil you know is better than the devil you don’t. But at this point, could someone else really do a worse job?

I'll take my chances on another devil this one is ruining the team.