Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[eco's bones]

more sanctimonious hypocrisy from you
I have said repeatedly, "we don't know"
but it stands to reason, based on obvious logic, that if the club had his best interests in mind, they would insist on him sitting
THAT does NOT appear to be the case
the case appears to be he is being told to play, which is why he is actually in some games including most lately, where he is apparently being asked to again go into super ck mode like last yrs POs and get this shit show of a team into the post season again

We don't know CK position and why, but it is obv they want him in every possible game -> more win now stupidity


Kreider gets a free pass [the balance of] this entire season [past first coupla months] because since that point on
HE HAS BEEN INJURED
LET THAT SINK IN

your beef on why he's playing should not be with him, but w/Rs mgmt

no one can deny that you can't stick by your guy it's just....................

 

[TheTakedown]

it starts at the top. When they shipped off tony d and brendan lemeiux in the 2020-2021 season a clear message was sent to the players. We want a country club atmosphere here. You are to act like bankers, not a bunch of union guys.

F that. I want guys who can barely read and are full of rage and anger. This teams core is quite literally full of guys whos favorite hobbies are

1) DJ’ing and playing music (mika)
2) read poetry (kreider)
3) fashion (kandre)
4) sulking at every chance he gets (fox)
5) generally having zero confidence (laff)

We need to tear it down. The core is garbage mentally. We need to bring in guys who are competitive, full of rage and generally want to win at all costs even if it means intentionally hurting the opposition.

Gorton set a terrible example when a teammate (ADA) as fed up with another teammate (Georgiev) for his well known piss poor performance...

And what did Gorton do? Keep the piss poor performer ...

That set a TERRIBLE example in this locker room. Toru a backed Gorton up on it which was another sickening moment

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Why do you keep clowning yourself?

Good luck with the country club mixed in with euros.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Gorton set a terrible example when a teammate (ADA) as fed up with another teammate (Georgiev) for his well known piss poor performance...

And what did Gorton do? Keep the piss poor performer ...

That set a TERRIBLE example in this locker room. Toru a backed Gorton up on it which was another sickening moment

Well established the entire locker room hated georgiev. Georgiev has pretty much been a locker room issue everywhere hes been

 

[mrmovies779]

Good luck with the country club mixed in with euros.

What's wrong with euros?

 

[McRanger92]

Pandolfo next Rangers coach? (E5)

 

[egelband]

Assuming they just do the bare minimum which is trading Kreider I’d roll this next season. Every line has at least two max effort guys.
10-16-50
13-8-78
65-93-22
73-39-84

 

[DolansKazoo]

New gm and coach could have changed his mind

Yea that could be true but they would have also had to get rid of the older players as well. Kreider and Zib at least.

 

[RangerBoy]

I was watching the Blues-Avs yesterday. The Blues feed had on Doug Armstrong during the first period. That man has a plan. He was discussing his process on rebuilding the Blues. Zack Buldoc scored a PPG during that interview. Armstrong said he has had discussions with Jim Montgomery about how they want to win but they also want to give a young player an opportunity to play. Buldoc scored during the interview. We were patient in him. He wasn't producing but we stuck with him. Buldoc has 16 goals this season. Armstrong brought up Dalibor Dvorsky last week. He played one game. I was watching that game. He is 19/20 and they have big plans for him. Armstrong discussed how the Blues added Holloway and Broberg in the summer. They want to add players in a specific age group. Players within 5 years of each other. The Rangers don't do this stuff. The Rangers announce a rebuild and one year later are back to buying players. They haven't even gone through the process of adding young players and allowing them to marinate. Let's go add Panarin and Trouba. We keep Zibanejad and Kreider. Voila that's our core group. The young guys we drafted never get a sniff of meaningful PP time. Thomas and Kyrou developed into quality players for the Blues and they were paid. There was no more room for ROR and Tarasenko. Traded. All of the money went to Thomas and Kyrou. Now they have younger players coming up to support Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong stole Buchnevich from Drury.

The Blues are better than the Rangers. All we hear about is how the Rangers want to make big splashes in free agency and some of the fish in the media applaud these moves. The Rangers need to take a step back here and reassess.

Armstrong is stepping back from his duties in a few years and Alexander Steen will take over. Dolan should Armstrong a blank check to run the Rangers in his vision.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

it starts at the top. When they shipped off tony d and brendan lemeiux in the 2020-2021 season a clear message was sent to the players. We want a country club atmosphere here. You are to act like bankers, not a bunch of union guys.

F that. I want guys who can barely read and are full of rage and anger. This teams core is quite literally full of guys whos favorite hobbies are

1) DJ’ing and playing music (mika)
2) read poetry (kreider)
3) fashion (kandre)
4) sulking at every chance he gets (fox)
5) generally having zero confidence (laff)

We need to tear it down. The core is garbage mentally. We need to bring in guys who are competitive, full of rage and generally want to win at all costs even if it means intentionally hurting the opposition.

I know zadorov is a little overpaid at $5mm AAV but we need guys with this type of attitude here. Hes a mean SOB who actively tries to hurt people. Boston being in rebuild mode probably would be happy to move him.

 

[GAGLine]

I know zadorov is a little overpaid at $5mm AAV but we need guys with this type of attitude here. Hes a mean SOB who actively tries to hurt people. Boston being in rebuild mode probably would be happy to move him.

We had Trouba to do that, and it didn't work out all that well. If we need someone to hit people and take bad penalties, we have Rempe.

As a player, I'm not totally against Zadorov, but I don't think he moves the needle enough to make it worth trading for him. Boston will want something of value back and I'm not really inclined to give up futures for another 30+ player with 5 years left on his contract.

To fit him, we'd have to move someone else. If we are going to redistribute that cap space, I'd like it to be for someone younger. We need to start transitioning to the next core. We aren't doing that by adding older players on long-term deals.

 

[noncents]

I was watching the Blues-Avs yesterday. The Blues feed had on Doug Armstrong during the first period. That man has a plan. He was discussing his process on rebuilding the Blues. Zack Buldoc scored a PPG during that interview. Armstrong said he has had discussions with Jim Montgomery about how they want to win but they also want to give a young player an opportunity to play. Buldoc scored during the interview. We were patient in him. He wasn't producing but we stuck with him. Buldoc has 16 goals this season. Armstrong brought up Dalibor Dvorsky last week. He played one game. I was watching that game. He is 19/20 and they have big plans for him. Armstrong discussed how the Blues added Holloway and Broberg in the summer. They want to add players in a specific age group. Players within 5 years of each other. The Rangers don't do this stuff. The Rangers announce a rebuild and one year later are back to buying players. They haven't even gone through the process of adding young players and allowing them to marinate. Let's go add Panarin and Trouba. We keep Zibanejad and Kreider. Voila that's our core group. The young guys we drafted never get a sniff of meaningful PP time. Thomas and Kyrou developed into quality players for the Blues and they were paid. There was no more room for ROR and Tarasenko. Traded. All of the money went to Thomas and Kyrou. Now they have younger players coming up to support Thomas and Kyrou. Armstrong stole Buchnevich from Drury.

The Blues are better than the Rangers. All we hear about is how the Rangers want to make big splashes in free agency and some of the fish in the media applaud these moves. The Rangers need to take a step back here and reassess.

Armstrong is stepping back from his duties in a few years and Alexander Steen will take over. Dolan should Armstrong a blank check to run the Rangers in his vision.

we can't do this. we're the rangers. we need to try and win every year.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Drury likes collecting 3rd pairing defensemen like infinity stones, so yeah why not let’s trade for Zadarov

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Drury likes collecting 3rd pairing defensemen like infinity stones, so yeah why not let’s trade for Zadarov

these people pining for zadorov would be talking about him like trouba 3 months in

 

[Boris Zubov]

these people pining for zadorov would be talking about him like trouba 3 months in

Maybe he's a better finger painter than Tuba.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

these people pining for zadorov would be talking about him like trouba 3 months in

Legitimately top 3 dumbest player in the league.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Gorton set a terrible example when a teammate (ADA) as fed up with another teammate (Georgiev) for his well known piss poor performance...

And what did Gorton do? Keep the piss poor performer ...

That set a TERRIBLE example in this locker room. Toru a backed Gorton up on it which was another sickening moment

so we're just rewriting history now?

ADA had literally been warned. One more incident and you're gone. Guess what. De'Angelo forced Gorton's hand. One more thing literally means One more thing.

That game, he was -4. He played shit defense.
Georgiev (our backup) was not amazing.
He made a bad play in OT.

ADA mouthed off to the backup goalie after the game.

Georgiev might not have been everyones favorite ranger, but holy shit. Unless you play a perfect game, you do not mouth off to a teammate.

The lockroom was not ok with De'Angelo. Throwing one player under the bus is the anthesis of a hockey team.


Lets also not pretend that De'Angelo had only one strike against him. He was on his 3rd team before he was 22. This was not some out of the blue thing for De'Angelo, and he likely assumed that because he had just signed a deal that wasn't league minimum he was somehow safe/comfortable.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

so we're just rewriting history now?

ADA had literally been warned. One more incident and you're gone. Guess what. De'Angelo forced Gorton's hand. One more thing literally means One more thing.

That game, he was -4. He played shit defense.
Georgiev (our backup) was not amazing.
He made a bad play in OT.

ADA mouthed off to the backup goalie after the game.

Georgiev might not have been everyones favorite ranger, but holy shit. Unless you play a perfect game, you do not mouth off to a teammate.

The lockroom was not ok with De'Angelo. Throwing one player under the bus is the anthesis of a hockey team.


Lets also not pretend that De'Angelo had only one strike against him. He was on his 3rd team before he was 22. This was not some out of the blue thing for De'Angelo, and he likely assumed that because he had just signed a deal that wasn't league minimum he was somehow safe/comfortable.

Two NHL teams and f***ing Russia paid for him to go the f*** away.

He’s a talented guy but he’s never been able to keep his head which is unfortunate because he was on his way to being legitimately very good player in this league.

 

[kovazub94]

A little bit of a context re. the Rangers competition for the last WC spot. In these 2 games in hand these teams must take 3/4 points to overtake the Rangers because of regulation wins advantage.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Two NHL teams and f***ing Russia paid for him to go the f*** away.

He’s a talented guy but he’s never been able to keep his head which is unfortunate because he was on his way to being legitimately very good player in this league.

A RHS defenseman who's put up 50+ points and he couldn't even stick in the NHL let alone being bought out.

He's a headcase.
But I was simply talking about the one incident not about his career. Gorton didnt do the wrong thing there. 10/10 GM's make that same call.

 

[effen]

we can't do this. we're the rangers. we need to try and win every year.

I mean it's pretty easy of him to write that with the Blues in a huge hot streak and not the last 2 years when they missed the playoffs and looked like they gave market value contracts to a couple small soft guys who can't elevate their teammates...

The Blues were trying to win those years, btw. They just sucked. There was no master plan by genius Doug Armstrong lmao.

 

[NYR Viper]

This team isn’t as bad as they look at times. They have talented players. Going in to the offseason, if Drury is serious about retooling I’m pretty confident he can do so and that this is a good playoff team next season. Some of the things we are seeing appear to be players just completely disjointed and unwilling to adjust. At this point, I don’t think it’s the coach as we’ve seen it from this group more than once with various coaches.

Panarin has value
Kreider has value
Should Drury want to, Miller and Schneider have value

They appear to have a slew of depth forwards at their disposal. All of which appear to play a very specific type of game. Rempe, Edstrom, Berard, Othmann, Chmelar, Roobreck, Sykora, Laba. There’s a clear common theme in there.

I also think the team looks like a bit of a disjointed mess because the transition from a mainly skilled team with veteran forwards to a younger team with players who play more of a straight line has made things complicated.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

This team isn’t as bad as they look at times. They have talented players. Going in to the offseason, if Drury is serious about retooling I’m pretty confident he can do so and that this is a good playoff team next season. Some of the things we are seeing appear to be players just completely disjointed and unwilling to adjust. At this point, I don’t think it’s the coach as we’ve seen it from this group more than once with various coaches.

Panarin has value
Kreider has value
Should Drury want to, Miller and Schneider have value

They appear to have a slew of depth forwards at their disposal. All of which appear to play a very specific type of game. Rempe, Edstrom, Berard, Othmann, Chmelar, Roobreck, Sykora, Laba. There’s a clear common theme in there.

I also think the team looks like a bit of a disjointed mess because the transition from a mainly skilled team with veteran forwards to a younger team with players who play more of a straight line has made things complicated.

The flaw in what you’re proposing here, it’s clear they have the the easy stuff figured out. They lack the high end pieces to really build a contender long term.

Which is the most difficult things to acquire

 

[NickyFotiu]

A RHS defenseman who's put up 50+ points and he couldn't even stick in the NHL let alone being bought out.

He's a headcase.
But I was simply talking about the one incident not about his career. Gorton didnt do the wrong thing there. 10/10 GM's make that same call.

I think the fact that pretty much every GM passed on him this offseason says a lot. Tony may not be guilty of everything people say but at some point we have to be realistic. Behavioral issues have followed him even to the KHL.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I think the fact that pretty much every GM passed on him this offseason says a lot. Tony may not be guilty of everything people say but at some point we have to be realistic. Behavioral issues have followed him even to the KHL.

I think the KHL didnt care about his "behavioral issues" and more the fact that he can't/won't actually play defense.