Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[MrAlmost]

There's a pretty good chance k'Andre or Schneider could do the job next to Fox, Laviolette just has a brain the size of a walnut/is as checked out as his players.

Not could. Already has and was good at it. This team hates itself more then we do. Haha

 

[lakeshirts37]

$9M AAV. That's insane.

not that crazy if he stays healthy

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

I laugh at the solution to replace top performers and point getters on this team is by playing “guys who care”

Like just the worst possible analysis lol

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I laugh at the solution to replace top performers and point getters on this team is by playing “guys who care”

Like just the worst possible analysis lol

I would actually rather watch a highly competitive and motivated team lose games they're killing themselves to try and win vs whatever this lazy, careless bullshit has been this season.

 

[eco's bones]

With maybe the exceptions of a couple guys the D's still available for free agency doesn't really upgrade anything we already have.

Right now the signed are Fox, Borgen, Schneider, Soucy and Vaakanainen.......the restricted Miller and Jones. There's no point in moving Miller if we can't upgrade him and we're not going to do that in this year's free agent market. The best LD's still out there are Orlov (who is 33) and Gavrikov (29).

 

[bernmeister]

stuff came up so no extended posts til w'e, apologies
just a few short comments...

Couldnt care less about age, I care about style of play. If Kreider played with a fraction of the physicality or emotion JT has played with in his career, we never wouldve had to make the trade in the first place, and Kreider wouldnt be on his way out.

The team is going to be much younger next year, especially in the top 6, provided they are able to move one or two of the vets. It was a move for the future because Drury obviously wanted a PPG, lead from the front type to help the young core grow. I appreciate the Kreider, Panarin, Mika group for their overall contributions to the franchise, but they are all passive, perimeter players at this point. To simplify it further, our leaders coming into the season play like cowards and p***yes and JT and Trocheck dont. Im really not letting results from the team playing out the string in a lost season distract from the fact that it was necessary move to show the locker room that change is coming.

this bs needs to be called out
up until earlier this season, he always played w/more beast factor than anyone else on Rs [Rempe a recent exception].
And he has a legit reason for not doing that lately, he's injured.

He's not afraid of contact, I'll certainly give him that. The thing is, I don't think this team's lack of "grit" or just stiff hockey has anything to do with contact. We have Cuylle, Trocheck, Rempe, Carrick, Lafreniere. Hell, Kreider plays through contact. Plenty of guys on the roster take bumps and are willing to give them out.

The problem with this team is that they're dickless offensively. They won't try anything. If they don't have time and space, they dump it in and run away. Even if they do have time and space, they stop dead in their tracks to look for a cross-ice pass. Nobody works hard to create space, nobody takes risks to force the defense to react, nobody does anything with pace, and God forbid you keep your feet moving.

You can do this with North-South play, obviously, but hell, you can do it with East-West play. I would love it if Panarin or Zibanejad made aggressive cuts and tried to beat defenders to the middle by moving their f***ing feet, but they're more interested in stopping dead to stare at their teammates, especially Panarin. It's soft offense.

JT is certainly willing to hit and plays with a bit of attitude, but like I said, I don't think we lack that. On offense, he's Dump-Ins the Musical. He also plays right into stopping dead, letting the defense get set, and then just playing catch because the defense is set and you didn't do anything to move them. He especially does this one on the powerplay.

This team fostered an identity around when the 2022 run started of being pretty deadly with time and space, but never bothered to create it if teams just played tight in front of us. Now that the team is older and slowing down a bit, they have time and space a lot less and it's just a team with piss poor offensive habits.

JT Miller always had these bad offensive habits and we saw it when he was here. We have a clear problem and we're targeting players with the same problem.

As far as the trade goes, the value was good, but I don't think JT, at his age, fit a team that frankly is headed for a rebuild imo.

@Machinehead !!
up to my eyeballs w/real world stuff, and you force me to spend time to get this...


til I have hookey time for hockey
cordially
bern

Ngl I also think stories of Zibanejad’s return are being *greatly* exaggerated. Especially by certain folks who refused to acknowledge how godawful he was earlier this season. Every year he has a shooting bender around this time.

There’s 69 total C’s with 890 mins played 5v5 this season. Zibanejad is T-61st in 5v5 points, 58th in G/60 and 49th in A/60, and that’s all with his recent sh% bump. This is a player who needs to be off the team ASAP if they have any intention of being good in the near future

SO much all of this!!!
I go by eye test, no time to compile fancy stats.
Thanks for bringing the data... team bern was right again

 

[haohmaru]

A this bs needs to be called out
up until earlier this season, he always played w/more beast factor than anyone else on Rs [Rempe a recent exception].
And he has a legit reason for not doing that lately, he's injured.


B SO much all of this!!!
I go by eye test, no time to compile fancy stats.
Thanks for bringing the data... team bern was right again

A
"Where's Chris" didn't come from his "beast factor" on a nightly basis. It came from him disappearing for large periods (games) at a time. This year, he's just disappeared entirely.

Again, if you're that f***ing hurt that you're that f***ing bad then don't f***ing play. Don't talk to me about how hurt he is but he's honky dory to play 4 Nations.

B

Run those numbers again from 1/1 - 3/24 and talk to me again. Regardless - the Rangers center depth is SO BAD that losing him makes the Rangers even worse.

And, yes, if bern being right means the Rangers get worse with his trade proposals then bern is right most of the time.

 

[McRanger92]

I laugh at the solution to replace top performers and point getters on this team is by playing “guys who care”

Like just the worst possible analysis lol

Acting like Panarin and his style of play isnt the main problem with the team because he puts up points is pretty bad analysis too. Idk how people have watched his 6 year Ranger career and not picked up on the fact that the team's worst habits are also Panarin's worst habits. Nobody backchecks, nobody supports the D-men in our zone, lazy changes/long shifts, overpassing when there is a clear shot. Over time, Mike and Kreider joined in on this. Panarin plays shortcut hockey in order to generate offense, our coaches and front office have allowed it, now everyone on the teams thinks they can get away with it. And why wouldnt they? Their top guys only care about making a play on offense (and i specifically mean "making a play" over "scoring a goal"). Even now the only good plays Mika and Kreider make defensively are high risk ones that lead to odd man rushes on both sides depending on the outcome. So yeah I think getting guys who care about playing 200 foot hockey on a nightly basis over guys who only care about points is a prerequsite for having a top team. You and I deserve better than what we saw from the Rangers this year, and it wasnt the fault of the bottom 6 guys and defenseman.

 

[cheech70]

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at 13 would he be someone to draft?

 

[effen]

And if they fail to acquire one, or if they acquire one and that player fails, will it still be up to them? Or will you criticize what they did or didn't do in hindsight?

If it they get a guy and I can see the vision, I'm fine with it. Process over results.

For example, I'm fine with getting Patrik Nemeth because the plan was to babysit Nils Lunkqvist who they were high on. He failed, Nemeth failed, it was bad, but they had a reasonable plan. Shit doesn't work somtimes.

I will be in orbit if they don't trade their 2025/26 pick for an LD. Prospect lover or not, this is where you are as an organization. You *cannot* keep that pick. A half measure ain't gonna cut it with an aging forward corps and a prime aged Adam Fox and Igor. It's go time.

 

[will1066]

Tried to post in the GDT but hit a weird security issue

 

[Alluckks]

Would you rather have Nurse @ 9.25M or Chycrun at 9M?

Thought so.

Adam Fox at 9.5 is a bullet to the head though

 

[Alluckks]

The most consistent hockey thing I think I see from fanbase to fanbase is that everyone thinks their team didn't do enough. Almost never.

I predict the Rangers will make a number of moves, including at least 1 or 2 big changes to the roster (waiting for people to say removing Kreider wouldn't be considered a big change). Some kids will promote. The resounding mantra will be "it wasn't enough, team stuck in hell" - which is basically echo'd by about 80% of the league lol

 

[McRanger92]

The most consistent hockey thing I think I see from fanbase to fanbase is that everyone thinks their team didn't do enough. Almost never.

I predict the Rangers will make a number of moves, including at least 1 or 2 big changes to the roster (waiting for people to say removing Kreider wouldn't be considered a big change). Some kids will promote. The resounding mantra will be "it wasn't enough, team stuck in hell" - which is basically echo'd by about 80% of the league lol

The Rangers have a young team that has individual players that have played large roles on good teams deep into the playoffs. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater moving out aging vets on big contracts. It sometimes takes teams the better part of a decade to breakthrough with the same group of players. Tampa Bay, Colorado, Washington, even Pittsburgh wasted a lot of prime Crosby/Malkin years losing to less talented Rangers teams. Its not always a direct line. I really do like the culture being built among the guys who have played in Hartford.

 

[RangerBoy]

$95.5M next season. $104M in 26-27. $113.5M in 27-28. $120M in 28-29.

There will be many overpaid hockey players.

 

[RangerBoy]

Acting like Panarin and his style of play isnt the main problem with the team because he puts up points is pretty bad analysis too. Idk how people have watched his 6 year Ranger career and not picked up on the fact that the team's worst habits are also Panarin's worst habits. Nobody backchecks, nobody supports the D-men in our zone, lazy changes/long shifts, overpassing when there is a clear shot. Over time, Mike and Kreider joined in on this. Panarin plays shortcut hockey in order to generate offense, our coaches and front office have allowed it, now everyone on the teams thinks they can get away with it. And why wouldnt they? Their top guys only care about making a play on offense (and i specifically mean "making a play" over "scoring a goal"). Even now the only good plays Mika and Kreider make defensively are high risk ones that lead to odd man rushes on both sides depending on the outcome. So yeah I think getting guys who care about playing 200 foot hockey on a nightly basis over guys who only care about points is a prerequsite for having a top team. You and I deserve better than what we saw from the Rangers this year, and it wasnt the fault of the bottom 6 guys and defenseman.

I have the same argument with my friends.

Them: Panarin is good.
Me: No.
Them: No? Why not? Look at how many goals he scores.
Me: North and south on the blue line. Pucks deep. Artemi disappears in the playoffs. The east and west finesse stuff doesn't work in the playoffs.
Them: What?

 

[Takeahnase]

I have the same argument with my friends.

Them: Panarin is good.
Me: No.

 

[Kendo]

Jackson Smith - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

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at 13 would he be someone to draft?

If someone can give a scouting report saying he's a plus skater, then sure!

I'd rather give this 1st away since next year's draft is deeper and there would be no protection if the wheels fall off again.

 

[turcotte8]

$95.5M next season. $104M in 26-27. $113.5M in 27-28. $120M in 28-29.

There will be many overpaid hockey players.

looks like another lockout coming soon.

 

[GAGLine]

looks like another lockout coming soon.

Why? The cap goes up as revenue goes up, and the players get 50%. The NHL isn't going to have another lockout to get it under 50%, no matter how high player salaries go.

 

[turcotte8]

Why? The cap goes up as revenue goes up, and the players get 50%. The NHL isn't going to have another lockout to get it under 50%, no matter how high player salaries go.

Owners are selfish

 

[IDvsEGO]

I have the same argument with my friends.

Them: Panarin is good.
Me: No.
Them: No? Why not? Look at how many goals he scores.
Me: North and south on the blue line. Pucks deep. Artemi disappears in the playoffs. The east and west finesse stuff doesn't work in the playoffs.
Them: What?

I think that type of conversation only works if you ignore all nuance.

Is Panarin a good hockey player? Absolutely, he's probably the best rangers UFA ever.
Is Panarin ever going to be the best player on a cup winning team? Absolutely not.
Does Panarin's style of play, including lack of defense at times, absolutely hurt the team and trickle down to bad habits among other players? Absolutely.

 

[GAGLine]

Owners are selfish

But they aren't stupid. They already got what they wanted.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Owners are selfish

The CBA split is 50/50, the owners also cook the books with what is HRR to make far more than just the 50%.
The owners absolutely would get creamed for even suggesting a lockout right now.

There are other things that worry me about the cap not going up, but I cant mention them here.

 

[Siddi]

Ngl I also think stories of Zibanejad’s return are being *greatly* exaggerated. Especially by certain folks who refused to acknowledge how godawful he was earlier this season. Every year he has a shooting bender around this time.

There’s 69 total C’s with 890 mins played 5v5 this season. Zibanejad is T-61st in 5v5 points, 58th in G/60 and 49th in A/60, and that’s all with his recent sh% bump. This is a player who needs to be off the team ASAP if they have any intention of being good in the near future

This is dishonest at best. We all agree that his play was dog shit oct-dec.
Now do the numbers from Jan 1st.