Speculation: Roster Building thread: Part XIX (Thanks, Sam)

[The Crypto Guy]

I have a question -- when do they have to decide whether to keep or pass on the pick?

Probably when the playoffs end.

 

[GAGLine]

I have a question -- when do they have to decide whether to keep or pass on the pick?

At some point between the draft lottery and the draft. A google search suggested 1 week before the draft, but I'm not sure how accurate that is. The draft lottery is typically held during the playoffs, during or after the 2nd round IIRC. The draft is on June 27th-28th. The cup finals begin on June 9th.

Last year, the SCF ran from June 8th to June 24th. It's possible the Rangers will have to decide before the finals are over. I imagine they want those decisions made in advance of the draft so teams can properly plan.

 

[Fitzy]

The hardest thing about a major reshape of the top end of the roster is that teams know Kreider and Mika are coming off of down seasons, and Panarin has the NMC. We don’t have a ton of prospect/draft picks of value to be tacking on to hockey trades for upgrades.

Which may mean we need to risk deconstructive trades like Gaborik for Brass, Moore, Dorsett and hope the younger smaller pieces grow into the role.

Then Add Tkachuk and then we are talking.

 

[gump116]

Thats great news.

It’s wild that the Rangers having the option to move the pick if top 13 wasn’t reported until now. The NHL…

 

[GAGLine]

The hardest thing about a major reshape of the top end of the roster is that teams know Kreider and Mika are coming off of down seasons, and Panarin has the NMC. We don’t have a ton of prospect/draft picks of value to be tacking on to hockey trades for upgrades.

Which may mean we need to risk deconstructive trades like Gaborik for Brass, Moore, Dorsett and hope the younger smaller pieces grow into the role.

Then Add Tkachuk and then we are talking.

I'd say the hardest thing is that the players we need to make this team a contender may not be available. We can't trade for Tkachuk if Ottawa refuses to trade him.

The pool of available players is limited, and there are 31 other teams competing for them. Fully reshaping this team will likely take two years or more.

I've been advocating for a Gaborik type trade involving Panarin. Of all our assets, he is the one that will give us the best return (apart from Fox, who I'm not ready to move unless the return is huge). Trading Gaborik made us a better team. These types of deals don't have to be deconstructive, as you put it.

 

[Filip Chytil]

I don't know much, but what I do know is that with our luck, whoever PIT ends up picking with that pick will be a star. And he'll destroy us for the next fifteen years.

 

[bhamill]

Madness people would give this pick away because they are scared we will be worse. Won’t happen. And i could 2000% guarantee Drury would not give the pick up if it’s top 13, because what kind of message is he sending by saying “yea we will be worse next season so we’ll keep that pick”

Well, it doesn’t necessarily mean he thinks we’ll be worse next year. He could merely think a better player will be available at pick 27 next year than at pick 13 this year… I’m not advocating giving up pick 13, I’m just saying there’s more to it. And I have ZERO expertise as to whether next year is that deep. That’s the word going around, but it seems that that is said just about every year.

 

[Roo Returns]

Could Gabe potentially play this season?

No point in burning a year of his ELC.

 

[E-Train]

I don't know much, but what I do know is that with our luck, whoever PIT ends up picking with that pick will be a star. And he'll destroy us for the next fifteen years.

That’s true. I know Beauvillier & Cholowski sure have

 

[Fitzy]

I'd say the hardest thing is that the players we need to make this team a contender may not be available. We can't trade for Tkachuk if Ottawa refuses to trade him.

The pool of available players is limited, and there are 31 other teams competing for them. Fully reshaping this team will likely take two years or more.

I've been advocating for a Gaborik type trade involving Panarin. Of all our assets, he is the one that will give us the best return (apart from Fox, who I'm not ready to move unless the return is huge). Trading Gaborik made us a better team. These types of deals don't have to be deconstructive, as you put it.

Well by deconstructive I tend to mean a few smaller parts for one more established one. But you're correct- if you identify the right younger smaller pieces in terms of where they might be ble to step into bigger roles here, it can sometimes make the team better (Or at least more balanced)

Issue is that those are also trades that are hard to realisitcally fathom. Panarin will probably only waive to a preferred city. Hanifin, Roy, Holtz for Panarin+ makes sense from our end but not Las Vegas's. Hard to figure what it would look like. The LA Kings are already topheavy

 

[bhamill]

No point in burning a year of his ELC.

There is if that’s what the player is asking in order to sign here rather than go back for another school year.

 

[leetch99]

I don't know much, but what I do know is that with our luck, whoever PIT ends up picking with that pick will be a star. And he'll destroy us for the next fifteen years.

I sure do not want to give the Pens any chance at McKenna , Give them the 25 pick and forget about it . With regards to what it actually might become....what difference does it make if it is this year or next for our team.....it takes Rangers 5-6 years to have them become 50 point guys anyways....I would say it also ...the 26 year pick will be traded as well at some point in a package for Tkachuk along with Laf and Perreault .

 

[Roo Returns]

There is if that’s what the player is asking in order to sign here rather than go back for another school year.

No reports so far. I'm more curious on Dorrington.

 

[bhamill]

No reports so far. I'm more curious on Dorrington.

Yeah. I think Dorrington would be a UFA after next season.

 

[Roo Returns]

Yeah. I think Dorrington would be a UFA after next season.

They're 100% going to sign Dorrington. The question is when and if the Rangers view him as a four year NCAA prospect.

 

[bhamill]

They're 100% going to sign Dorrington. The question is when and if the Rangers view him as a four year NCAA prospect.

I’m just saying as a four year NCAA prospect Dorrington could sign with anyone he wants. Id think they sign him now to avoid that risk.

 

[GAGLine]

Well by deconstructive I tend to mean a few smaller parts for one more established one. But you're correct- if you identify the right younger smaller pieces in terms of where they might be ble to step into bigger roles here, it can sometimes make the team better (Or at least more balanced)

Issue is that those are also trades that are hard to realisitcally fathom. Panarin will probably only waive to a preferred city. Hanifin, Roy, Holtz for Panarin+ makes sense from our end but not Las Vegas's. Hard to figure what it would look like. The LA Kings are already topheavy

Definitely, and that goes back to my first point that the players we want may not be available. That is why patience is so important. If we can't find a good trade for Panarin, keep him and see where we are at the trade deadline. If we're firmly in a playoff spot, then I can't see us trading him. The players would riot. But if we're a bubble team again, or worse, that could be the time to move him, especially if we still own our 2026 1st rounder.

 

[Roo Returns]

All hope is not lost regardless of how this season goes. Rangers have a lot of darts at the draft with or without a 1st rounder. Best case is if they miss the playoffs and move up ten spots with a chance to draft a Shafer or Hagens. Worst case they give the pick to Pittsburgh and we all have a free Friday night in late June.

It's great that Roobroeck seems to have taken a step offensively. If him and Laba can nail down spots next year, wonderful.

Panarin is going to be a good soldier next year because he's playing for a new contract. Kreider is 100% injured whether it's a herniated disc or groin pull he's playing through. If he's moved this summer with retention I would not be surprised.

Biggest things they can do this summer are fix the D and D coach.

 

[NYR Viper]

Think about what Panarin would return as a rental at the deadline next year. That’s 1st + very good prospect + 2nd, likely. A full season of Panarin is going to cost at least that. There are going to be a slew of teams who would love to add Panarin, especially if that return could include a player with term who they are okay moving on from for cap purposes. That’s why I keep bringing up Fiala. He has term left and the Kings likely would be okay moving him for cap purposes.

The hindsight on the Gaborik trade is interesting because at the time, Brassard was an underperforming high pick with injury concerns. He rejuvenated his career in NY. John Moore was a somewhat struggling young LD and Dorsett was a truculent 4th liner on a not minuscule salary at the time ($1.6m if I recall, which would be like $2.6-2.8m now). Those weren’t high end pieces but they fit.

Fiala + Clarke + 1st ‘26 for Panarin + Jones


I think Chicago is the landing spot for Kreider. They have 2 1st’s this year. Not a deep draft. 1st ‘25 + 2nd ‘26 + player for Kreider

 

[deathb4disco]

And if the changes to zone defense

This I have no idea why we continue to play this system, biggest issue with the team rn

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

It’s wild that the Rangers having the option to move the pick if top 13 wasn’t reported until now. The NHL…

No way the Rongos are smart enough to give PIT this years pick instead of next years unprotected

 

[Uglybstrd]

Madness people would give this pick away because they are scared we will be worse. Won’t happen. And i could 2000% guarantee Drury would not give the pick up if it’s top 13, because what kind of message is he sending by saying “yea we will be worse next season so we’ll keep that pick”

Excactly

 

[NickyFotiu]

Should we have a playoff race thread? We are 1 point back but MTL has 2 games in hand so I look at it like we are 3 points back with 11 games to go. Can we do it? Do the players want it?

 

[eco's bones]

I don't know much, but what I do know is that with our luck, whoever PIT ends up picking with that pick will be a star. And he'll destroy us for the next fifteen years.

The Pens draft history isn't exactly terrific. The last Pens draftee that's really made a big impact is Jake Guentzel and he was picked back in 2013 and in the 3rd round. That doesn't mean they can't get lucky....maybe the odds are they will but if I were betting it'll be a middle 6 forward---2nd pair D that's going to come with the 13thOA whether it's us drafting the player or the Penguins.

 

[SA16]

Think about what Panarin would return as a rental at the deadline next year. That’s 1st + very good prospect + 2nd, likely. A full season of Panarin is going to cost at least that. There are going to be a slew of teams who would love to add Panarin, especially if that return could include a player with term who they are okay moving on from for cap purposes. That’s why I keep bringing up Fiala. He has term left and the Kings likely would be okay moving him for cap purposes.

The hindsight on the Gaborik trade is interesting because at the time, Brassard was an underperforming high pick with injury concerns. He rejuvenated his career in NY. John Moore was a somewhat struggling young LD and Dorsett was a truculent 4th liner on a not minuscule salary at the time ($1.6m if I recall, which would be like $2.6-2.8m now). Those weren’t high end pieces but they fit.

Fiala + Clarke + 1st ‘26 for Panarin + Jones


I think Chicago is the landing spot for Kreider. They have 2 1st’s this year. Not a deep draft. 1st ‘25 + 2nd ‘26 + player for Kreider

I'm not saying it's impossible, but I would be very surprised if the 2nd worst team in the league is not on Kreiders NTC.