Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIV (To trade or not to trade is the question)

[jay from jersey]

goodrow -> carrick
roslovic -> smith
Gus -> ZJ

You also had guys like wheeler etc behind the scenes. Chytil was injured and busting to get back.
Gus was solid a majority of the season. He stabilized an area that was needed. There were also a lot of guys playing unsustainable hockey.
It was logical some would regress to a certain extent…. Others haven’t maintained, and others haven’t picked up the slack either.
goody and Trouba like it or not, we’re vet leaders here. Professionals or not, some guys aren’t going to like how things went down.
It’s life with the salary cap tbh….
The team this season is devoid leadership thru player movement and a pissed off Trouba since the Det/no trade.
Lindgren also didn’t get a multi year extension, Kakko has the same role, not more minutes/opportunities, both likely on borrowed time here and there’s still holes In the line up. It’s not like we have to burn it all down. It’s a majority young team with a lot of playoff experience already.
They’ve also played a lot of hockey over the last few seasons. I’m sure some guys would welcome a long offseason.

I do think a changing of the guard is sorely needed. What’s left of this core just isn’t going to get the job done.
If they continue playing like this for the rest of the season, Zibby/kreider/panarin/chytil/kakko and Lindgren should all be on the table……
Those are the guys that can potentially bring back solid assets….
Will all be dealt? Def not….. but if you can get haul for Kreider and Panarin, I would move both.
And if 1 of Kakko/chytil bring back a cheaper similar age solid piece, I do that too.
I doubt Zibby will move. Not in the next 1-2 maybe 3 years or so….
Center depth not great and he’s been on probably the worst 2 seasons. ( overall play wise) since they got him from sens.

I take the multiple 1sts/prospects from bread and Kreider and make a BT type deal.
See If you can get an impact vet to sure up a position of need in offseason….
Smiths contract will be gone too.
Keep laffy, Cuylle, Mancini, Fox, miller, Schneider, Edstrom, Berard, 1 of kakko/chytil( likely chytil) , bring up Othmann/Perrault to start the season next year.
To go with Vets Zibby/Tro/Carrick….,
I’d wager we get at least 1 pleasant surprise coming outta camp with spots open in the bottom 6.
I’m looking at you Chmelar/Sykora/Laba.BMB etc
Similar to mancinni this season ….

Big trade target should in that 24-27 impact player range to go along with majority of the core. Just for argument sake, say BT….
Next season, you have a young overall team. They should be a lot tougher to play against. A lot more hungry and a different overall make up/foundation.

Put Zibby with 2 kids. Watching him and Kreider have become too predictable and stale. It’s not nice to watch.
Maybe Zibby embraces the role?

BT/Cuylle-Zibby-Laffy
BT/Cuylle-Tro- Othmann/Perrault
Berard-Chytil-Othmann/Perrault
Edstrom-Carrick-UFA/trade

Fox-UFA/trade
Miller-Schneider
Jones/ufa vet-mancinni

Shesty
Quick

Plus you have any surprise possibilities in camp competing and for depth. If top 6/9 too young for some, they can always add help…
I’d rather start with youth and see who thrives and who doesn’t, see where you have to add, etc
It also gives Perrault some insulation. He can go up on 2nd line if he proves ready and needs more minutes or on 3rd line for insulation……
I realize this likely wouldn’t be the roster name for name, but it’s the type of foundation that needs to be switch to…….
At least 2 of the names below need to go at the end of this season.
The core is soft, stale, and rutterless. It needs a shake up
Panarin/kreider/zibby/ kakko or chytil

 

[NickyFotiu]

There should be only 4 untouchables on the roster:

1) Igor
2) Laf
3) Fox
4) Cuylle


That's it. Everyone else can be had.


Fire Drury

I understand your point but in reality none of them are untouchable if another team offers more value.

 

[Vitto79]

I really hope this isn’t true, I really like garand and I think he’s going to be good.

Wish we didn’t sign Igor to his contract

Garand will gladly be backup in NY nothing to see here

 

[Mikachu93]

The move was to trade Igor or let him walk.

Rebuild or even just try to retool and hope Garland is decent enough..

I'd never sign any goalie to a long term deal. Just try to churn out decent ones on ELCs/first contracts until they reach FA.

It's just not worth it. Teams will realize it soon enough. The position will one day not be paid like it is now

The extension was franchise breaking. Unless we luck into a franchise center somehow

Seems like a winning strategy

 

[bernmeister]

On the bold--you offer NO indication as to why it is "reasonable" to speculate that Zib waives his NMC. None. Drury doesn't have the same threats for Zib as he did for Goodrow and Trouba.

You also completely ignore the fact that such a move would require the Rangers to retain almost 5 million dollars a year for FIVE years. That will never happen.

You ALSO ignore that such a move leaves an already organizationally-thin position (center) even thinner with no means (financial or otherwise) to bring in someone new.

Zibanejad is here for at least another two seasons, whether you or I like it or not.

Re: Kreider, you still don't explain why the Rangers would WANT to keep Kreider. He can be moved. He can bring in a haul. And he is unique in the fact that he is already being supplanted by younger, cheaper players, with even more on the way. Other than Panarin, no other piece on this roster would bring in as much value.

The ONLY reason to oppose moving him are based in sentimentality (in your case, for a player who has clearly been your favorite player for a decade), but you can't make hockey decisions based on fan emotions. Look, if you don't want the team to trade Kreider because he's your favorite and you don't want to see him go, that's fine. Just don't pretend that there's any logic behind that position, because there is absolutely NO logical argument to be made for Kreider being on this roster past the trade deadline.

I'm not sure I can explain this any clearer...

you offer NO indication as to why it is "reasonable" to speculate that Zib waives his NMC. None. Drury doesn't have the same threats for Zib as he did for Goodrow and Trouba.
If Zib not playing every single night, that is a bad look even if he is getting a paycheck.
That is not enuf to make him go just anywhere, but VAN =
a) cup contender
b) his fellow Swede EPetterssen is there so he'c comfy
c) w/EP and JTM, no urgency/pressure to bust a gut and be the #1 star guy
Those are all solid reasons for zib to waive
Drury needs only instruct he not play til he caves.
PERIOD

You also completely ignore the fact that such a move would require the Rangers to retain almost 5 million dollars a year for FIVE years. That will never happen.
I am not ignoring that, I have been open about it.
There is no magic way to undo what has been done.
Either you cut the zib cancer out NOW, and eat 4.25 per [not almost 5] or you continue to swallow 8.5
half a good loaf is better than none,
but half a bad loaf is better than a full bad loaf
THAT IS BASIC MATH
To be rid of Zib is worth it
There is zero chance this guy can be rehabilitated quickly enuf for him to have some trade partner risk anything good to get him, and that is assuming he can even be rehabbed at all.
Now sure, you can see if a place like Nash will basically do him for Stamkos, assuming Mika waives. But stammer is beyond cooked.
That only swaps out headaches, possibly one w/a less restrictive contract, possibly.
IT IS NOT A SOLUTION

You ALSO ignore that such a move leaves an already organizationally-thin position (center) even thinner with no means (financial or otherwise) to bring in someone new.
Wrong Raty is a pivot. He can handle 3C now and maybe has 2C upside.
For now, Chytil + Tro can do top 2. Also KK can possibly do 2C, pushing Tro up if chytil is out
and we got useful short term D, which saves opportunity cost of putting their salaries into pivots
and we recover 4.25 which can be put to good use. Hence "even thinner with no means... etc." is entirely wrong.

Zibanejad is here for at least another two seasons, whether you or I like it or not.
I don't like it and it won't be the first time Rs mgmt did not listen to me and hindsight will later show it was their mistake.
Either way I will not be silent.
If you have any objective basis to dispute what I said, fine.
But I have refuted you above.
I am correct on this and Rs will listen to me or regret it, as surely as they are now regretting not listening to me about full nmcs.

Kreider I'm not gonna rehash
Jettison the others first, see what we have then

re-signing Lindgren and letting Gus go was suuuuuch a mistake. Stralman/Staal all over again.

Gus WAS actually GREAT, but the prob was he ran out of gas halfway-2/3s into the season
and he is older now.
So not signing was correct.
Lindgren should have been sold high 2-3 yrs ago when his value was max

That's why there is no such thing as a "guaranteed championship". Look at the 16-0 Patriots, how'd that work out for them?

Goal is to ice the most well rounded roster out there with players, who don't have to be the best, but are completely bought into the system/style if play and bust their behinds night in and out.

And now do you get that?
By developing and then flipping young vets for top dollar and keep reinvesting to stay young = lower cap hits and more roster flexibility w/guys who want to play hard, like you say.

I’d move Garand in the right deal. He will hold a lot of value in a package for a good player

It would be stupid to move Garand only b'c his value must be lower due to lack of NHL level play.
Sell shesty now before nmc kicks in with the extension

 

[Machinehead]

I'm against trading Shesty before the NMC kicks in for moral and professional reasons.

That's embarrassing bush league bullshit. You signed it, now you pay it. The ship has sailed.

 

[Filip Chytil]

They need a legit 1C and a partner for Fox. Two pretty big pieces.

Maybe they get lucky and find a Brayden Point in the 2nd or 3rd round. Or a Slavin in Round 4.

I'm fine with punting on this year. Move Kreider. Move Lindgren. Get what you can get. Get a top 10 pick. Hopefully there's a good C prospect available. I'm not sure I'm OK with totally nuking this team (despite my in-game anger and wanting to nuke the team in the middle of the LA or STL games).

I have questions on if Drury is capable of finding the 1C and Fox's partner though.

Any legit rumors out there?

I think he's gonna take it to the roster freeze. Or at least that's my worthless 2 cents.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

I'm against trading Shesty before the NMC kicks in for moral and professional reasons.

That's embarrassing bush league bullshit. You signed it, now you pay it. The ship has sailed.

Exactly. The whole notion is just wish casting by posters upset with the team's play. To my knowledge, something like that has never happened in the league and would result in huge backlash from both current players and potential free agents. The Trouba/Goodrow drama would pale in comparison.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Exactly. The whole notion is just wish casting by posters upset with the team's play. To my knowledge, something like that has never happened in the league and would result in huge backlash from both current players and potential free agents. The Trouba/Goodrow drama would pale in comparison.

Trading a brand new contract has happened a few times.
Jeff Carter is the first I can remember. From Philly to cbj where he then demanded a trade.

 

[Filip Chytil]

There's no way Igor is going anywhere. There's a higher chance @EdJovanovski is our 1C next year with Kravtsov and Rempe as his two wingers.

 

[Hire Sather]

I'm against trading Shesty before the NMC kicks in for moral and professional reasons.

That's embarrassing bush league bullshit. You signed it, now you pay it. The ship has sailed.

Oh for sure. Can't do it now..

That would actually be a legit reason to be bashed around the league..

The team did nothing wrong with Goodrow or Trouba

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Reposting from the other thread:

Kakko is 4th on the team in P/60 at 5v5 this year.
Kakko is 1st on the team Primary assists/60 at 5v5 this year.
Kakko is 4th on the team in A/60 at 5v5 this year.
Kakko is 2nd on the team in Rebounds Created/60 at 5v5 this year.

At 5v5, Kakko's linemates are:
1 & 3 in ixG/60
1 & 4 in iSCF/60
1 & 3 in i HDCF/60

maybe, just maybe. some of that is b/c of Kakko. And yet we have posters here who'd trade him for future considerations if they could

Haha just look at which posters those are…enough said. Kakko is the least of our problems.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

I understand your point but in reality none of them are untouchable if another team offers more value.

If Messier and Gretzky came traded, anyone can be traded.
Eichel and Tkachuk were both recently traded.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Trading a brand new contract has happened a few times.
Jeff Carter is the first I can remember. From Philly to cbj where he then demanded a trade.

I remember that now. Signed a huge deal and was dealt 7 months later. Don't recall if he had any trade protection.

All that said there is no way they are trading Igor.

 

[McRanger92]

Brooks suggesting Kakko for Greenway. Sure, why not?

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Brooks suggesting Kakko for Greenway. Sure, why not?

Meh. Don't mind him as a player but he's a UFA after this season and the last thing they need is more LWs. I'd hope for a C or D if they trade Kakko.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I remember that now. Signed a huge deal and was dealt 7 months later. Don't recall if he had any trade protection.

All that said there is no way they are trading Igor.

he had full trade protection but it hadn't been kicked in.
He signed and the deal hadn't kicked in. He was furious. CBJ ended up pissed because they essentially had to move him for pennies on the dollar to the Kings where he won 2 cups.

Brooks suggesting Kakko for Greenway. Sure, why not?

Somewhere deep in the Amazon there is a tree that brooks should be apologizing to for wasting its oxygen.

 

[bobbop]

I’m almost certain Igor has a 10 team NTC right now. Not that I think he is going to be made available.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Guys, igor is not being traded. Please drop it.

 

[Tob]

Meteor activity Tennessee last 24hr results
“struck” “debris” “search and rescue” “thoughts and prayers”

 

[CLW]

I'm against trading Shesty before the NMC kicks in for moral and professional reasons.

That's embarrassing bush league bullshit. You signed it, now you pay it. The ship has sailed.

In the Rangers' case it's embarrassing professional league bullshit but yeah the Rangers own it now.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Here’s some chum for the waters

 

[Mr Mxmzptlk]

I remember that now. Signed a huge deal and was dealt 7 months later. Don't recall if he had any trade protection.

All that said there is no way they are trading Igor.

As ID posted, Carter asked to be traded....wasn't he traded to LA shortly after that?

 

[UnSandvich]

Here’s some chum for the waters

f***'em. Trade them all. They've already quit on 3 coaches and now 2 GMs.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Here’s some chum for the waters

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