Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[I Eat Crow]

Tyler Seguin is going on LTIR and is most likely done for the regular season. 4-6 months on the aggressive end gets you to the beginning of April.

This is an opportunity to make a move with a team that is in a similar spot to the Rangers in terms of team build.

The right side of their defense is not good. Old friend Nils Lundkvist is on the 3rd pair, but Matt Dumba (washed) and Lybushkin are the other RHD. They've got young forwards that could step up in their lineup. This might be a place where you can send Trouba.

Panarin too.

 

[rangers1314]

Dallas isnt getting 3 years of Chris Kreider unless they are forking over Wyatt, Stankoven or Harley. Id be willing to include K'Andre in a Harley trade as well.

Kreider is a 33 year old PP specialist with an iffy back. Adjust your expectations

 

[NikC]

Disagree.

Zibs and Kreider should have long been disbanded, Zibs should have been sat out a few games, Laffy showed up to play in the 2nd half of the season, definitely came into his own against the Panthers and you still keep him on PP2, rewarding players who don't deserve more ice time with more ice time, and then there is his incessant need to want to The continue using certain pairings.

Then why did we fire Gallant?

The only thing Laviolette did differently than Gallant was not change the lines every other shift...

Laviolette was canned by a crap Washington team the season before. Lavi's best days are long gone...

 

[McRanger92]

Trading Jones, Kakko or Miller would be stupid unless it's a hockey trade for a player of similar age/projection.

Yes let's hold on to the dopes that are mopping around like a bunch of babies.

Kakko and Miller are 2 pretty big mopes, if we are being honest. But I wouldnt be looking to trade them unless we are getting a big time d upgrade back. Both can go for a top pair guy to play with Fox.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

They did disband Kreider and Mika and then we had 4 lines that sucked. If you play the 2 of them (w/Berard) as a 3rd line 5v5 and let them play PP/PK, its better for everyone. They arent top 6 players anymore. Laviolette has been slow to adjust but I think we are there.

We've been asking for them to be disbanded seasons ago! Panarin last season had a breakout year last season, and he was a victim of the black hole that is Kreids/Mika.

And you still have the lack of accountability for the veterans. Well, look at the state we are in now: their feelings are hurt.

I thought Lavy would kind have that "f*** you" mentality towards them knowing they've been going through coaches. Instead, he's done really nothing.

 

[McRanger92]

Kreider is a 33 year old PP specialist with an iffy back. Adjust your expectations

Ok then lets keep him. Dallas fans would be telling us we need to give up Cuylle, Kakko or Schneider for a similar play to kreider.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Dallas isnt getting 3 years of Chris Kreider unless they are forking over Wyatt, Stankoven or Harley. Id be willing to include K'Andre in a Harley trade as well.

This is where I'm at. Akin to a Martin Erat for Filip Forsberg deal. Bourque just doesn't get me excited as a prospect.

I could see that being a deal, I wonder if Liam Bichsel might be available as well with Dallas having Heiskanen, Harley, and Lindell on the left side for the foreseeable future.

This. LHD and center are the 1A and 1B needs on this team and in the system. The prospect depth at both positions is shit. They need to draft only those and maybe their annual stab at a 6'6"+ goalie for the next two years.

The left side of the defense needs to be overhauled. The Rangers need guys like this that are a half a year to a year out.

 

[TGWL]

Dallas isnt getting 3 years of Chris Kreider unless they are forking over Wyatt, Stankoven or Harley. Id be willing to include K'Andre in a Harley trade as well.

Expectations need to come down. Rangers are trading away these players for a reason.

 

[McRanger92]

We've been asking for them to be disbanded seasons ago! Panarin last season had a breakout year last season, and he was a victim of the black hole that is Kreids/Mika.

And you still have the lack of accountability for the veterans. Well, look at the state we are in now: their feelings are hurt.

I thought Lavy would kind have that "f*** you" mentality towards them knowing they've been going through coaches. Instead, he's done really nothing.

I dont disagree with any of this, but I also dont know how chnging coaches right now helps matters.

 

[NYR Viper]

Mavrik Bourque last year as a 21/22 year old had 77 points in 71 games in the AHL. He would be at, or very near to the top of the Rangers prospect pool in terms of rankings. He would be an excellent piece coming back for Kreider.

Also a deal of:

Bourque + 1st for Kreider also creates ~$5.5m in cap space. That's got value by itself...

 

[McRanger92]

Expectations need to come down. Rangers are trading away these players for a reason.

They can have Trouba for free. Ive got my issues with kreider, but they arent getting a franchise icon on a good contract with 3 years of control for anything less than a painful package on their end. Every team in the league would be interested in Kreider as a depth guy.

 

[NYR Viper]

This is where I'm at. Akin to a Martin Erat for Filip Forsberg deal. Bourque just doesn't get me excited as a prospect.

This. LHD and center are the 1A and 1B needs on this team and in the system. The prospect depth at both positions is shit. They need to draft only those and maybe their annual stab at a 6'6"+ goalie for the next two years.

The left side of the defense needs to be overhauled. The Rangers need guys like this that are a half a year to a year out.

I mean that Erat for Forsberg deal was IMMEDIATELY thought of as a bad deal for Washington. I'm not sure that's a realistic bar

They can have Trouba for free. Ive got my issues with kreider, but they arent getting a franchise icon on a good contract with 3 years of control for anything less than a painful package on their end. Every team in the league would be interested in Kreider as a depth guy.

This would actually work, based on LTIR I believe in Dallas:

Trouba ($2m retained) + Kreider for Bourque + Dumba + DAL 1st '25 + DAL 3rd '25 + DAL 2nd '26

 

[Brutananadilewski]

I dont disagree with any of this, but I also dont know how chnging coaches right now helps matters.

New system, coach with a little bit of backbone in holding players accountable, changing it up when warranted, letting the kids play or take over the reigns, call a timeout and rip into them when they play like dogshit.

Honestly, with the bullshit Igor pulled, I'd settle for a Keenan.

Let in a f***ing weak goal?

Pulled!

Doesn't matter if it's 30 seconds into the 1st.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Dallas isnt getting 3 years of Chris Kreider unless they are forking over Wyatt, Stankoven or Harley. Id be willing to include K'Andre in a Harley trade as well.

This is the same sort of expectation people had for trades during the first rebuild. No team is going to trade guys like Stankoven or Johnston who are important parts of their lineup as contenders for Kreider. It’s just not happening.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Alright I’m back. Took me a while. But really I just haven’t been as excited for the team. Haven’t missed a game. Been screaming on Twitter. But my excitement going into the season with how drury failed this offseason really left a bad taste in my mouth and frankly it looks like the players are playing with the same apathy I have after the disappointment of losing last year when it really felt like our year.

I think they come out of this. They have too many good players.

Shesterkin is playing like shit. That is half the battle. He’s nuts thinking he deserves 12 million when he does this every season. You can’t get paid like that for playoffs alone. He has to be a difference maker. He can’t set the market this drastically when he goes into tailspins every year giving up 2 bad ones a game for two months every season and most of them being in the first few mins of games killing his team. We did this last year. When u chase the game because your goalie can’t make a save u are going to look terrible.

The second part is too many good players are playing terrible hockey. They didn’t collectively become washed. Trocheck Panarin Kreider Mika Miller Fox even Lafreniere all are playing lousy hockey right now. That’s nonsense. They’re too good for this. They are. They have to figure it out. Usually this should get a coach fired frankly.

Lindgren and trouba should be gone. I knew troubas drama would hurt this team. You cannot be that bad in the playoffs wearing a C and keep the respect of the room. Then have the offseason drama on top of it? No way. He should have been gone one way or another. And at the least been stripped of the letter. This is a major problem. Drury needs to deal with today or tomorrow. This is nuts. Lindgren. Lazy move should never have been brought back him coming back from injury of course coincided with us turning into a mess. He’s a terrible player. Has to go immediately. The sooner these two are gone the better we will be. They are a major part of the problem.

Laviolette if he’s going to stay needs to get this team to buy back into his system because right now they are not. He probably should be fired. I like him but he hasn’t held guys accountable, they look like they’ve quit on him too. That’s too bad but he wouldn’t be the first guy to get a quick exit and we wouldn’t be the first core to run thru a bunch of coaches in this league.

Louder for the folks in the back. Same people would give Justin Williams 10 million a year. You can't pay a guy 12 million dollars a year when he becomes unplayable for 20 game stretches in the regular season. Also, it's a HUGE red flag how mentally fragile he is. Does shitty long stretches of moping around sound familiar to anyone else? Mika maybe? He's the Mika of goalies. Mika also had some good playoffs. Igor is a mentally weak goalie.

 

[Atax]

Also said that Lavi and Drury have been having late-night conversations.

 

[McRanger92]

This is the same sort of expectation people had for trades during the first rebuild. No team is going to trade guys like Stankoven or Johnston who are importantly parts of their lineup as contenders for Kreider. It’s just not happening.

Then dont trade him. Kreider isnt the existential issue that trouba is

 

[B17 Apricots]

Dallas isnt getting 3 years of Chris Kreider unless they are forking over Wyatt, Stankoven or Harley. Id be willing to include K'Andre in a Harley trade as well.

I dont think that's very realistic. Johnston is 21 years old and coming off a 65 point season. Stankoven is the same age and they have him slotted in the top 6. Those are 2 young guys they'll look at as part of their core. Same for Harley. He's 23, and their 2nd best defender. I don't think any of those guys are serious targets. Much like how we didn't get Point, Sergechev, etc in the McDonagh trade. Zero reason for Dallas to move any of those guys. Guys like Bourque and Bichsel Dallas hasn't yet found a roster spot for, those are more realistic targets I'd think

This is the same sort of expectation people had for trades during the first rebuild. No team is going to trade guys like Stankoven or Johnston who are importantly parts of their lineup as contenders for Kreider. It’s just not happening.

Beat me to the punch

 

[EdJovanovski]

How tf have they not done anything??

 

[TGWL]

They can have Trouba for free. Ive got my issues with kreider, but they arent getting a franchise icon on a good contract with 3 years of control for anything less than a painful package on their end. Every team in the league would be interested in Kreider as a depth guy.

I think there's a significant difference in saying you want value for Kreider, and then saying you want a player who looks to finish anywhere inside the top 4 for the Caldar Trophy this year, or a player that finished as a top 5 rookie, 2 years ago. That's not the definition of teams wanting a depth guy.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

How tf have they not done anything??

Are you pissed?

Then they've done something!

 

[bernmeister]

I wonder if the Rangers will try to package Kakko and Miller for a center and a dman that can skate and play defense.

no one is going to give equal value for equal value (unless complementary like a lefty for a righty); clubs trade for profit

We should stop pitching trading youth esp if return is unlikely to be better. I don't care about immediate problems, instant gratification is a good chunk of what has driven us to this mess.

Focus on unloading the vet drek
Kreider can stay
everybody else needs to go

 

[McRanger92]

I dont think that's very realistic. Johnston is 21 years old and coming off a 65 point season. Stankoven is the same age and they have him slotted in the top 6. Those are 2 young guys they'll look at as part of their core. Same for Harley. He's 23, and their 2nd best defender. I don't think any of those guys are serious targets. Much like how we didn't get Point, Sergechev, etc in the McDonagh trade. Zero reason for Dallas to move any of those guys. Guys like Bourque and Bichsel Dallas hasn't yet found a roster spot for, those are more realistic targets I'd think


Beat me to the punch

Yeah I mean the Rangers got fleeced in the McDonagh trade. They couldve has Cirelli but chose Howden (who became a good player elsewhere, but i digress). Id prefer not to repeat that with Kreider; playing whack a mole hoping the minor leaguer we get pans out. This isnt a rebuild. Rangers need NHL talent in return for Kreider. If they cant get it, keep him.

Dallas is welcome to Trouba, Lindgren, Smith, etc.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Then dont trade him. Kreider isnt the existential issue that trouba is

You could say that but how de we know this isn’t the exact time to trade Kreider? Could make the argument his value will only decrease from here. Guy is having a really rough season, first really bad season of his career to be fair but he’s also getting to that age where it could fall off really quickly.

 

[McRanger92]

I think there's a significant difference in saying you want value for Kreider, and then saying you want a player who looks to finish anywhere inside the top 4 for the Caldar Trophy this year, or a player that finished as a top 5 rookie, 2 years ago. That's not the definition of teams wanting a depth guy.

A team that can't get over the hump trading some of their young talent for multiple runs of control with a guy who is a proven leader and playoff performer is only farfetched on HFBoards. We're not trading a 38 year old rental here. And again, Kreider should only go in an overpay.