Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[GoAwayPanarin]

I don't think I would have minded if we game Knoublock a shot, but genuinely asking; what do you think the difference would be if we went with him instead of Lavi, and why him over any other coach?
The Oilers don't scream 'defensive masterclass to me', and does a rookie coach have it in him to call out our vets and limit their ice time?

This all kind of seems like a 'deckchairs on the Titanic' kind of scenario. This team has hit the iceberg already, it doesn't really matter whose at the helm right now.

Knoblauch wouldn’t have done any better here honestly.

It’s easy to look the part of a genius when you have McDavid.

 

[Kords]

Larry’s so mad he didn’t even paywall his disdain

 

[CTTribe73]

Drury has never been good at his job. He has botched player development, lost trades, and signed bad contract extensions. He’s done a mediocre job at a few deadlines where his best work was showing restraint from losing more assets. His drafting other than taking an obvious steal in Perrault has been mediocre too. Remember when we loved the Othmann pick? He’s one of the only players selected in that range not to make the NHL yet.

The number one failure of his, and it’s what most of his other failings are directly attributable to, is that his concept of where the team should be going was too focused on the present instead of making winning moves for the future. He always sacrificed way too much future for not enough present.

I'm not defending the guy but we can't foget that Dolan gave him a mandate to win. It's not like he had a choice in the matter other than turning down the job.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

The league-wide memo distributed by Drury, advertising that Chris Kreider and Jacob Trouba were among the many available, seems to have blown up in the GM’s face.

He should have this tattooed on his head, because it happens to him quite often

 

[JimmyG89]

We’re watching the end of an era in real time.

I don't know what you call this era, the half-assed era might be the way to go.

This will forever be the Panarin Rangers. Entertaining at its peak with little to no chance when the chips are all in.

At least the Hank era I felt like the team actually tried their hardest to get the job done but they just didn't have the horses to do it. This group makes you pine for the Torts/AV (beginning) Rangers because dudes gave a f***, almost to a fault, costing them the backend of their careers.

It's time to bring accountability back to a franchise that hasn't had it in a while, except for whoever the coach is cause the players have been off limits.

 

[LORDE]

"The league-wide memo distributed by Drury, advertising that Chris Kreider and Jacob Trouba were among the many available, seems to have blown up in the GM’s face."

He should have this tattooed on his head, because it happens to him quite often

He can waive Trouba tomorrow before the game.

That would send at least SOME shrapnel towards the team instead of all of it into his face.

 

[lakeshirts37]

They don’t need another 1B wing player.

They need the top of the line up, superstar center.

Eichel was that on the fringe but he’s getting older. Don’t want to sign him at 29 either.


Then you don’t trade Kakko.

Trouba and Lindgren are addition by subtraction. They are worth moving for cap space alone.

rantanen is a 1B winger?

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Safe to say this DEFINITELY ruined Drury’s Thanksgiving weekend

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

I've heard Lavy has no system. I heard Gallant had no system. I heard Quinn had no system. I heard AV had no system. Perhaps it's that the fans are not capable of recognizing "the system" despite how much they think they can.

Or the players aren’t executing anything that remotely resembles a coherent system.

 

[nyr2k2]

Better this happens now.

We were discussing the other day how we basically came into the season knowing this was probably it for this group and everything was going to have to go perfectly (maybe better than perfectly).

The worst thing would have been for things to be going pretty well at the TDL and then we gave up more assets to try to boost what we all recognize is a fatally flawed group. We've probably avoided that scenario.

I'm under no illusion that we're going to trade Zibanejad, Trouba, Lindgren, Kreider, etc., but whoever needed to know "It's time to make some major changes" should hopefully know that now, unquestionably. I think Drury wanted to do more in this respect in the off-season but wasn't able to. I suspect there's some pressure from Dolan to remain competitive but that's just speculation.

The only bad part of it happening now is that it probably takes some time before we actually see any moves happen.

 

[mike14]

Drury has never been good at his job. He has botched player development, lost trades, and signed bad contract extensions. He’s done a mediocre job at a few deadlines where his best work was showing restraint from losing more assets. His drafting other than taking an obvious steal in Perrault has been mediocre too. Remember when we loved the Othmann pick? He’s one of the only players selected in that range not to make the NHL yet.

The number one failure of his, and it’s what most of his other failings are directly attributable to, is that his concept of where the team should be going was too focused on the present instead of making winning moves for the future. He always sacrificed way too much future for not enough present.

What is 'that range'? Sillinger at #12 and Johnston at #23 are the only 2 that really stand out as having 'made it' outside the top-10, and one of them we didn't have a shot at. The 2 guys picked in front of him have played 8 games between them, and the 5 after him 49. And most aren't teams that were making Conference Final runs.
Jury is still out on Othmann, but he's developed ok, was picked exactly where he was expected to go, we didn't pass up a no-brainer for him, and it would be pretty safe to assume that if not for injury he'd be getting a look now.

I think Drury has dealt too many picks, but his drafting in the higher rounds has been solid IMO

Othmann 15

Grubbe (65)

Korzack (75)

Sykora (63)

BMB (97)

Perrault (23)

Fortescue (90)

Emery (30)

 

[SA16]

Or the players aren’t executing anything that remotely resembles a coherent system.

Sure except that’s not a criticism of the coach like this whole “no system” thing is like the coach isn’t even doing anything

 

[RangersFan1994]

its sad that Drury won't let Laviolette do this. You know if this happened the softcore vets will cry and complain to Drury about Laviolette being too tough and not a pat on the back type of coach

 

[DuneGoon84]

Safe to say this DEFINITELY ruined Drury’s Thanksgiving weekend

Yea but will it ruin his weekend?

its sad that Drury won't let Laviolette do this. You know if this happened the softcore vets will cry and complain to Drury about Laviolette being too tough and not a pat on the back type of coach

The core we have are spineless, it won't resonate

 

[rangers1314]

Drury is an insanely arrogant person with zero “touch” for the human side of this job.

People can say “it’s a business” all day long. But shit reeked after he handled Goodrow. That was so bad and what’s worse is how avoidable it all was.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Sure except that’s not a criticism of the coach like this whole “no system” thing is like the coach isn’t even doing anything

I agree. I think it’s ludicrous to think any coach at the NHL level doesn’t have a system.

 

[nyr2k2]

Drury had been GM for like 2 months when Othmann was drafted. Of course he had been with the team for years, and the pick is always ultimately the responsibility of the GM, but you gotta think that pick was already in the hopper. Also, I've never been a huge Othmann fan, but he's progressing fine, and he'd probably be here now if he wasn't injured.

Otherwise it's too early to say, but the drafting looks promising. 2022 the first pick was 63 for us and we have 4 guys with realistic chances to be NHL players--Sykora, BMB, Laba, and Mancini.

2023, Fortescue looks like he could be a great pick and Roobroeck has been impressive so far. Of course, Perreault is the gem there. You can't just wave your hands and say, "That's only because other GMs were stupid, that was the obvious pick!" Too many times to count, we had the stupid GM who couldn't make the obvious pick. Obvious or not, you still have to make it. You still get credit for it.

2024 is too early to say much about. Emery was a smart pick I think. The other guys I've barely seen or not seen at all (Gredig).

Of all the things I'd criticize Drury for, I don't think drafting would be at the top of the list.

 

[IDvsEGO]

Drury had been GM for like 2 months when Othmann was drafted. Of course he had been with the team for years, and the pick is always ultimately the responsibility of the GM, but you gotta think that pick was already in the hopper. Also, I've never been a huge Othmann fan, but he's progressing fine, and he'd probably be here now if he wasn't injured.

Otherwise it's too early to say, but the drafting looks promising. 2022 the first pick was 63 for us and we have 4 guys with realistic chances to be NHL players--Sykora, BMB, Laba, and Mancini.

2023, Fortescue looks like he could be a great pick and Roobroeck has been impressive so far. Of course, Perreault is the gem there. You can't just wave your hands and say, "That's only because other GMs were stupid, that was the obvious pick!" Too many times to count, we had the stupid GM who couldn't make the obvious pick. Obvious or not, you still have to make it. You still get credit for it.

2024 is too early to say much about. Emery was a smart pick I think. The other guys I've barely seen or not seen at all (Gredig).

Of all the things I'd criticize Drury for, I don't think drafting would be at the top of the list.

And he’s been reluctant to move picks and prospects.
We’ve made the ECF 2/3 years and also had at least one first in 2/3 years.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I've heard Lavy has no system. I heard Gallant had no system. I heard Quinn had no system. I heard AV had no system. Perhaps it's that the fans are not capable of recognizing "the system" despite how much they think they can.

I'll give you a hint, they all played some variations of man on man d coverage. When Gallant was hired he even said things wouldn't change much from David Quinns style of play. Laviolette atleast gave Lafreniere and Kakko opportunities, which was a huge step forward.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Probably been discussed already but read Staple saying the Rangers were interested in JT Miller. Not sure what the personal reasons are, and I wouldn't necessarily want him. Though if there could be a JT Miller for Zib swap I think it might work out for both teams. Also probably the only option out there potentially where the other team will likely listen.

Both are 31 and have 5 more years left on their deals. Zib makes $8.5M AAV, Miller $8M. Main difference is Miller's contract is easier to swallow of needed to buyout down the road.

I also think there is a trade to be made with the Avs revolving around Shesh.

 

[Synergy27]

Wrong about Trouba’s NMC.

Right about there being no realistic deal to be made.

We’re screwed. We know it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm not defending the guy but we can't foget that Dolan gave him a mandate to win. It's not like he had a choice in the matter other than turning down the job.

I don't buy into the Dolan stuff as much as some people do but lets run with this idea.

Hes done a pretty shitty job if the mandate was to win. They've run largely the same group out there for every season under his watch. No real attempts to improve beyond doing a few things at the deadline (with mixed results at best) and he's flat out refused to upgrade certain spots that clearly need to be upgraded.

Theres some truth to the thought that his hands have been tied a bit with the cap due to what Gorton did, but he could have made improvements with out breaking the bank. Instead of using a bunch of picks on rental players, they could have packaged together a bunch of shit for someone with more term who could have been here for a bit.

I liked his work in his 1st deadline. Hated his 2nd deadline and was meh with what he added at the deadline last year + his commitment to Ryan Lindgren very well may have cost them a cup.

Wrong about Trouba’s NMC.

Right about there being no realistic deal to be made.

We’re screwed. We know it.

I think this one may end with him being waived.

 

[grachevsceiling]

Drury is an insanely arrogant person with zero “touch” for the human side of this job.

People can say “it’s a business” all day long. But shit reeked after he handled Goodrow. That was so bad and what’s worse is how avoidable it all was.

I think this week, more than anything, has cemented for me that Drury has big “little league champion” energy

 

[IDvsEGO]

I don't buy into the Dolan stuff as much as some people do but lets run with this idea.

Hes done a pretty shitty job if the mandate was to win. They've run largely the same group out there for every season under his watch. No real attempts to improve beyond doing a few things at the deadline (with mixed results at best) and he's flat out refused to upgrade certain spots that clearly need to be upgraded.

Theres some truth to the thought that his hands have been tied a bit with the cap due to what Gorton did, but he could have made improvements with out breaking the bank. Instead of using a bunch of picks on rental players, they could have packaged together a bunch of shit for someone with more term who could have been here for a bit.

I liked his work in his 1st deadline. Hated his 2nd deadline and was meh with what he added at the deadline last year + his commitment to Ryan Lindgren very well may have cost them a cup.



I think this one may end with him being waived.

I think his 2nd deadline with Kane was more on Dolan, and I think had he stopped with Tarasenko and Mikkola were almost picture perfect for what we needed.
I think Kane was the flaw.

I agree that Lindgren has been a flaw for the past 2 years, and we should've moved on earlier than later, but i understand that one. its hard to assume any player drops off a cliff that badly in his mid 20's.