Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[bernmeister]

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That's one way to ensure a lockout that would make the 04/05 lockout look like child's play. What could you possibly offer the NHLPA in return for that loss of security?

hey, we want shit
they want shit
it's very simple this particular shit is non negotiable
they will get something else and it will eventually work out
but in the meantime
BERN IS CORRECT NO MO EFFIN NMCs
period

 

[Leonardo87]

I take offense to that. I'm pretty sure the losers on this website are not overpaid.

We don’t even get a dental plan here. Pffft.

 

[effen]

We don’t even get a dental plan here. Pffft.

Lisa needs braces.

 

[nyr2k2]

The NMC is not going away. Best to just get that out of your head if you're thinking about it. Unless that's the owners' only major issue, which it won't be. The best you can hope for with NMCs is some sort of restrictions on when and how it can be offered.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

The NMC is not going away. Best to just get that out of your head if you're thinking about it. Unless that's the owners' only major issue, which it won't be. The best you can hope for with NMCs is some sort of restrictions on when and how it can be offered.

they already have ironclad contracts having nmcs on top of it is kind of wild

i know it wont realistically go away but maybe teams would actually be able to make real trades again if so

honestly the salary cap itself kind of ruined crazy trades

 

[mas0764]

Or no one re-signs. That’s a very double edged sword.

Excellent. I’d much rather be without all those NMC players right now.

 

[NickyFotiu]

This group as is formed was never going to win the cup this season so in a way I'm glad we have these problems now. Now at least maybe we can try to find a solution instead of them popping up in the playoffs.

 

[mas0764]

What coaches are available? Up and comer? Modern day hockey? not left wing lock, 1-3-1 and ring it around the boards

Michael Peca?

Trouba has to be moved.

One of Kreider/Mika, HAS to be moved.

One of Lindy/Miller, should be moved.

Would be totally fine to move kakko/chytil/trochek in the right hockey trade.

Igor, I don’t even know what to think anymore.

Trouba, Mika, and Kreider should all be moved asap.

If you can move Lindy too and get something back, great. If not, just let him expire and walk.

Igor cannot be given over $9m. They will though, because they are fools. In two years we will want to move that contract too and we won’t have any Cups to show for it. Instead we could punt on this season which is already in the toilet and probably get a useful haul for him. They won’t because they are too scared.

 

[zlev]

the first step has to be firing Drury, he hasn't made the correct move at almost every point in his tenure. the Buchnevich trade, hiring two dud coaches, moving hell and high water to fit damaged goods Patrick Kane (after he already had acquired Tarasenko) and now running back this same team that clearly didn't have what it took to win a Cup last year. he is straight up awful. i blame him more than anyone for this current debacle.

 

[LORDE]

Trouba, Mika, and Kreider should all be moved asap.

If you can move Lindy too and get something back, great. If not, just let him expire and walk.

Igor cannot be given over $9m. They will though, because they are fools. In two years we will want to move that contract too and we won’t have any Cups to show for it. Instead we could punt on this season which is already in the toilet and probably get a useful haul for him. They won’t because they are too scared.

Completely agree.

I don't know how you can poss move Mika but the rest should be doable.

 

[mas0764]

I'm on the side that gives my team the best chance to win. In this situation it's the owners. Plus there is no actual logical reason to support a system that allows players to coast and stay with their employer.

The game and the sport is better when teams have more control and flexibility.

Of course, the owners should realize that and give in on pay a little to make it happen.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

What coaches are available? Up and comer? Modern day hockey? not left wing lock, 1-3-1 and ring it around the boards

We had one, homegrown too. His name was knoublock

 

[mas0764]

Why the hell are you pro-ownership? Regardless of the fact that these guys are severely underpaid when compared to the other 3 major sports; without the players there is no league.

Serious question: are they underpaid?

It’s about revenue. Do they get less as a percentage than the other leagues? They get paid less as a flat number but that’s because the NHL is by far the least profitable of the big four.

 

[bleedblue94]

Change the system, it's not working.

System? There's a system?

Serious question: are they underpaid?

It’s about revenue. Do they get less as a percentage than the other leagues? They get paid less as a flat number but that’s because the NHL is by far the least profitable of the big four.

Not to derail, but there is chatter the league is going to push for 49/51 split in new cba OR try to get certain revenues removed from HRH for the sake of the owner player split and securing more for the owners by keeping it out of HHR. Could get messy if they actually do it.

 

[mas0764]

I'm starting to think Drury is not very good at his job. If his intention was to just huff and puff and expect better results, it's blowing up in his face and the players are laughing at him. He almost has to to a deal just to show he's not weak and keep whatever credibility he may have left (likely not much) but with all the NTCs/NMCs his options are limited and the players know it.

Drury has never been good at his job. He has botched player development, lost trades, and signed bad contract extensions. He’s done a mediocre job at a few deadlines where his best work was showing restraint from losing more assets. His drafting other than taking an obvious steal in Perrault has been mediocre too. Remember when we loved the Othmann pick? He’s one of the only players selected in that range not to make the NHL yet.

The number one failure of his, and it’s what most of his other failings are directly attributable to, is that his concept of where the team should be going was too focused on the present instead of making winning moves for the future. He always sacrificed way too much future for not enough present.

 

[mike14]

We had one, homegrown too. His name was knoublock

I don't think I would have minded if we game Knoublock a shot, but genuinely asking; what do you think the difference would be if we went with him instead of Lavi, and why him over any other coach?
The Oilers don't scream 'defensive masterclass to me', and does a rookie coach have it in him to call out our vets and limit their ice time?

This all kind of seems like a 'deckchairs on the Titanic' kind of scenario. This team has hit the iceberg already, it doesn't really matter whose at the helm right now.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Everyone crapped on me for saying Brett Howden would be a good player. 9th goal on a breakaway

 

[Crease]

We’re watching the end of an era in real time.

 

[RangersFan1994]

What the hell is this? Sure you are a Rangers fan?


That's one way to ensure a lockout that would make the 04/05 lockout look like child's play. What could you possibly offer the NHLPA in return for that loss of security?

Yes but don't be surprised if they get Blais type value for Kakko, Trouba, Lindgren. What trades has Drury made that worked out?? I'll wait.

I'd take Dale Purinton over Miller and Trouba right now.

 

[mas0764]

Punt this year. All of the below should be moved. My admittedly delusional dream scenario would be to sign rantanen in the summer. eichel the summer after that. resign panarin if he takes a discount. otherwise just move cuylle up.

Igor
Kreider
Trouba
Lindgren
Miller
Zibanejad (he will waive eventually)

They don’t need another 1B wing player.

They need the top of the line up, superstar center.

Eichel was that on the fringe but he’s getting older. Don’t want to sign him at 29 either.

Yes but don't be surprised if they get Blais type value for Kakko, Trouba, Lindgren. What trades has Drury made that worked out?? I'll wait.

I'd take Dale Purinton over Miller and Trouba right now.

Then you don’t trade Kakko.

Trouba and Lindgren are addition by subtraction. They are worth moving for cap space alone.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Going to the game tomorrow - at least I'll be able to express my displeasure for them to hear in person. From there hopefully the habs get out to a nice lead so I can leave early and try to put together a nice little Saturday.

 

[17futurecap]

 

[SA16]

I've heard Lavy has no system. I heard Gallant had no system. I heard Quinn had no system. I heard AV had no system. Perhaps it's that the fans are not capable of recognizing "the system" despite how much they think they can.

 

[NickyFotiu]

 

[E-Train]

Then you don’t trade Kakko.

Trouba and Lindgren are addition by subtraction. They are worth moving for cap space alone.

Exactly. Kakko’s not in the same conversation as Trouba and Lindgren. A Blais type return is fine to clear them off the roster