Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[SnowblindNYR]

At a simple level, the market says they are. Because if the NHL said "you guys aren't worth it" and stopped paying so highly, someone else would come in and offer the big bucks because they know they'd be able to get the players to come and play for them.

Every player is different, but the incentive usually comes from wanting to be 'the best' where $$ is the by-product of what you are doing. I half-arse my job right now (I spend half my work day talking shit on here) and I certainly don't get paid millions; but in a competitive industry, where I care and want to prove myself, and I love the challenge, then of course I'm working hard even when paid.
High performance industries tend to work differently to the more regular 9-5ish ones.
And yes, some players will have less compete than others (while still having far more than most people, you don't get to the top level of something like professional sport without it), and some will eventually rest on their laurels, but that's the nature of the beast

If this is true I ask again why is the union needed?

What were Drury’s?

Assistant GM?

 

[RangersFan1994]

He has my favorite name in the NHL. If you take out the first s and it's Popisil, it means "peed" in Russian.

He brings something Rangers lack a center with some bite and underrated skill. 3rd liner but provided some nasty and a European that has some snarl.

 

[UnSandvich]

Yeah, and I'm still asking why would that be a lawsuit? NMC is something the teams can choose to offer a player, and not offering them is not in anyway breaking any law. At least to my layman way of thinking, though I know I'm speaking from a different jurisdiction.

It's not the one team not offering them, because that's obviously up to said one team. It's if every GM and team spontaneously decided not to offer them. Because to me and likely to the NHLPA, it would indicate collusion among the teams and ownership to not compete or offer advantages in signing players when they have the option to (admittedly i'm drinking so i'm not quite making the argument as well as i'd like lol)

 

[McRanger92]

i know .. it could easily be worse.. lol but who knows. You need certain king of players here... and although they are talented.. they don't have identity. poorly constructed roster.

He’s the only leader with the gumption to win in NY since we defeated the Nazis but he’s persona non grata because he doesn’t like analytics I guess? Was always confused why people were so against it.

If this is true I ask again why is the union needed?



Assistant GM?

How has that worked out?

 

[mike14]

What were Drury’s?

No one in hockey really has good 'qualifications' but at least with Drury you had:
- played at the highest level in the past 2 decades
- played in the playoffs in the past 25 years
- Director player development
- AGM
- GM Hartford

Messier (as much as I love him) has:
- 1994
- talking shit on TV

 

[LOFIN]

It's not the one team not offering them, because that's obviously up to said one team. It's if every GM and team spontaneously decided not to offer them. Because to me and likely to the NHLPA, it would indicate collusion among the teams and ownership to not compete or offer advantages in signing players when they have the option to (admittedly i'm drinking so i'm not quite making the argument as well as i'd like lol)

Not offering NMCs is not a cartel lmao. It's like saying the players could sue the league because no-one has ever offered the maximum deal for any player in the league.

 

[RangersFan1994]

He has my favorite name in the NHL. If you take out the first s and it's Popisil, it means "peed" in Russian.

Mika, Fox, Panarin or Trouba saw their teammates get hit like this, they'd just skate to the bench with their head down

 

[McRanger92]

No one in hockey really has good 'qualifications' but at least with Drury you had:
- played at the highest level in the past 2 decades
- played in the playoffs in the past 25 years
- Director player development
- AGM
- GM Hartford

Messier (as much as I love him) has:
- 1994
- talking shit on TV

I’ve been defending Drury for years. He was a disappointment as a player and a disappointment as a GM so far. We have the same birthday so I’ve always wanted to love him, but he needs to sack up and make difficult move or he can start looking for a new job.

 

[mike14]

If this is true I ask again why is the union needed?

The reason unions exist is because there tends to be an urge by owners to look at 'shafting' workers where they can when it comes to profits vs people. So workers realized that by banding together and providing a united front, it was easier for them to negotiate with their employer from a position of strength. There's a shitload of literature on this, some of it is quite interesting.

If you are asking why highly paid people need a union; it's because they want to continue to be highly paid, and not lose employee benefits that they have...

I’ve been defending Drury for years. He was a disappointment as a player and a disappointment as a GM so far. We have the same birthday so I’ve always wanted to love him, but he needs to sack up and make difficult move or he can start looking for a new job.

Agreed, he's been a 'meh' GM, but the question was solely about qualifications...
I figure he gets to do his rebuild now, and if he stuffs it or it doesn't work, he's out the door. He's used up his 'fire the coach' card, so he gets one more chance

 

[alkurtz]

Well, as long as we are making this political: before player unions players had little say over where they could play, they were literally "owned" by the owners. They made peanuts, had to work in the off season, could not work to stay in shape, and came to training camp in order to get into shape.

Frankly, I believe strongly that the people who supply the talent should be making most of the money. The owners are lucky to get 50% of the revenue.

Thank Curt Flood and his court cases (and his lawyer Marvin Miller) for freeing players in MLB and setting the precedent for all player unions.

The problem is not unions, but this particular mix of players.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

He’s the only leader with the gumption to win in NY since we defeated the Nazis but he’s persona non grata because he doesn’t like analytics I guess? Was always confused why people were so against it.



How has that worked out?

So the qualifications are he says rah rah stuff in the locker room? And you want him to build a team as a result? Team had as little heart in his second stint with the Rangers as this one, btw.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I’ve been defending Drury for years. He was a disappointment as a player and a disappointment as a GM so far. We have the same birthday so I’ve always wanted to love him, but he needs to sack up and make difficult move or he can start looking for a new job.

That's funny. I'm an August 20th guy too.

So are Graig Nettles, Robert Plant & Isaac Hayes.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Well, as long as we are making this political: before player unions players had little say over where they could play, they were literally "owned" by the owners. They made peanuts, had to work in the off season, could not work to stay in shape, and came to training camp in order to get into shape.

Aside from making peanuts, thats what our players do

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The reason unions exist is because there tends to be an urge by owners to look at 'shafting' workers where they can when it comes to profits vs people. So workers realized that by banding together and providing a united front, it was easier for them to negotiate with their employer from a position of strength. There's a shitload of literature on this, some of it is quite interesting.

If you are asking why highly paid people need a union; it's because they want to continue to be highly paid, and not lose employee benefits that they have...


Agreed, he's been a 'meh' GM, but the question was solely about qualifications...
I figure he gets to do his rebuild now, and if he stuffs it or it doesn't work, he's out the door. He's used up his 'fire the coach' card, so he gets one more chance

And instead now owners and customers (fans) get shafted.

 

[LOFIN]

And instead now owners and customers (fans) get shafted.

lol

 

[UnSandvich]

And instead now owners and customers (fans) get shafted.

bad take is bad.

 

[NikC]

Drury wasn't given the greatest hand coming in as GM... his first set of orders was to make the team tougher... and he did that.. they had a good season after the Gorton outing and the Tom Wilson beatdown... they were more scrappy...

you say play the "fire the coach card" But what do you do when you have a team that is talented and relatively successful? blow it up? You change the coach ,,,
but they are beyond that now. there is a culture problem, there is a leadership problem, you have players that don't fit, players that aren't great in their roles, and just not enough talent. Too many playmakers and passers. Defensive duds.

 

[mike14]

And instead now owners and customers (fans) get shafted.

Owners are welcome to sell, and fans are welcome to find other pursuits, not sure how that is being 'shafted'; but we may be wildly careening away from roster building here

 

[mike14]

Drury wasn't given the greatest hand coming in as GM... his first set of orders was to make the team tougher... and he did that.. they had a good season after the Gorton outing and the Tom Wilson beatdown... they were more scrappy...

you say play the "fire the coach card" But what do you do when you have a team that is talented and relatively successful? blow it up? You change the coach ,,,
but they are beyond that now. there is a culture problem, there is a leadership problem, you have players that don't fit, players that aren't great in their roles, and just not enough talent. Too many playmakers and passers. Defensive duds.

I'm not saying it was the wrong move, but generally a GM will only get to do it once, unless he's won a lot more hardware than a President's Trophy.
I'm ambivalent on Drury. I'm not sure I'm in a position to really judge NHL GM's because most of what they seem to do is baffling to me, but then it always works out for 1 guy...
I don't know what Drury's actual plan is, and if you replaced him tomorrow I probably wouldn't be able to point to a real difference in team philosophy, or what they are able to do to make things better.

 

[NYR Viper]

For all we know, Drury has wanted to jettison this core for a bit but has had his hands tied by Dolan as he wouldn’t ‘buy’ selling off veteran players who just made him a ton of money last year.

To me, Drury hasn’t been able to put his stamp on the team beyond changing their drafting and developing strategies which, for all intents and purposes, have improved from the Gorton years.

 

[Kocur26]

There isn’t even a credible rumor after Drury went public.

 

[AirGut]

Would you guys rather have Pecca as HC over Lavi?

 

[effen]

This is significantly better than zombie'ing through regular season, finishing as a 5th seed, and losing in the 1st round. No half measures. Keep losing till they nuke everyone.

 

[LOFIN]

Would you guys rather have Pecca as HC over Lavi?

No

There is only one coach available I would prefer behind the bench instead of Laviolette and that is Quenville. And even hiring him would be a waste of time with this core of players.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Owners are welcome to sell, and fans are welcome to find other pursuits, not sure how that is being 'shafted'; but we may be wildly careening away from roster building here

And players are welcome to go get a real job. But Ok whatever. I guess we'll have to live with NMCs and Mika.