Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[CLW]

A lot of this is on the players, but this is partially on the coaching staff and management too. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. At this point, we know the defensive pairings of Lindgren-Fox, Miller-Trouba, and Lindgren-Trouba just don’t work. The problem is that you can’t put together the top 2 pairs with both Lindgren and Trouba in it. It’s just not possible. Lindgren either needs to move to the bottom pair, be benched, or get traded. He’s a 6/7 D at this point. Go back to something like the d pairings that were running well when he was out

Miller-Fox
Schneider-Trouba
Jones-Ruhwedel/Lindgren

It doesn't help that the "d zone system" is a bloody mess that doesn't fit the players available whatsoever. Whoever come up with that nonsense needs to rethink matters asap.

 

[haohmaru]

The further this drags along the more I'm apt to packaging Igor to some team that wants to pay him. I like the guy and he's a great goalie (especially in the playoffs) but the 8 x 11 rejection has rubbed me wrong way from the get go. I get his position, but I also think the Rangers put their best foot forward in making him the highest paid goalie in the league, nay, of all time and should leave that offer on the table.

If something comes along where you can trade him for a good, not great, NHL goalie plus a young asset then I'm all over that. Hasek in his prime couldn't cover up for the atrociousness that has been the Rangers 5v5 play for the last year+.

 

[bernmeister]

Mika + Miller for Stamkos + Skjei

Would Nashville do that? Would we?

good idea, don't think they do

@bernmeister Berard is never going to turn into MSL because that's not his game. If he turns into an effective middle 6 forward that skates well, is a pain to play against and provides some secondary scoring that's a big win. Not sure why he comes up and has early success means "he's not battle tested" in your eyes while Robertson never earned a chance with his awful AHL play means the Rangers screwed him. You are a walking contradiction with a need to always be right.

The Rangers are like 1-3 this season with Rempe in the lineup this year so you are objectively wrong on that too.

1. Berard
to be clear, what I meant about MSL is that despite his smaller stature, he famously had a lower center of gravity amplified by being super strong on his skates and otherwise.
Guys who are creampuffs despite/regardless of size don't last, and smaller ones are starting behind the 8 ball
Berard is NOT a creampuff. But does he have/can he train to acquire the above physical ability so he can withstand and survive even thrive vs bigger guys? I hope so; remains to be seen.

2. Robertson
regardless of how "awful" he was, they could have traded him, and conspicuously, even re-signed him again!!
Why? If this guy is such a loser, why?
Rs mgmt is the contradiction, seeing potential in MR but then doing nothing to nurture it

3 Rempe
handful of games aberration due to stupid prejudice of mgmt favoring vets does not count
also,
on larger population size last yr we were WAY better winning w/him in AINEC
and earlier this yr we just looked better w/him + Brodz rotating while Vesey was out; also our hot start was a better record then compared to now

CAPITULATE ON REMPE, DEAL VESEY, DAMN YOU Rs GM + COACH

I was replying to a post saying they need another Letter. You could fix this team fairly easily by adding 1 or 2 physical defenseman. Guys who won’t fall down when they attempt to hit people.

Also not to defend the team too much but our 2 best forwards have been out. I was encouraged by yesterday’s game. I bet they win against Philly and the Habs.

The short term (rest of season and this summer) plan needs to be a complete overhaul of the defense personnel. The long-term plan needs to be to find a way to remove Mika in time for Eichel’s free agency. The Rangers are 100% going to still make the playoffs this year.

my vote is vs a band aid approach
let's do a whole sale clean up NOW IF WE CAN

 

[CLW]

One thing that was evident last night was that Carolina is in better shape than most of our players, they were putting on 3 min shifts attacking us at times and at the end we're all hunched over and they are still zipping around.

And now Trochek's finally run out of Canes juice too..........

 

[bernmeister]

The further this drags along the more I'm apt to packaging Igor to some team that wants to pay him. I like the guy and he's a great goalie (especially in the playoffs) but the 8 x 11 rejection has rubbed me wrong way from the get go. I get his position, but I also think the Rangers put their best foot forward in making him the highest paid goalie in the league, nay, of all time and should leave that offer on the table.

If something comes along where you can trade him for a good, not great, NHL goalie plus a young asset then I'm all over that. Hasek in his prime couldn't cover up for the atrociousness that has been the Rangers 5v5 play for the last year+.

I am willing to go 12.2 if only 5 yrs BUT
UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES
does anybody ever get NMC
PERIOD
you are right we should entertain legit offers

 

[SnowblindNYR]

The further this drags along the more I'm apt to packaging Igor to some team that wants to pay him. I like the guy and he's a great goalie (especially in the playoffs) but the 8 x 11 rejection has rubbed me wrong way from the get go. I get his position, but I also think the Rangers put their best foot forward in making him the highest paid goalie in the league, nay, of all time and should leave that offer on the table.

If something comes along where you can trade him for a good, not great, NHL goalie plus a young asset then I'm all over that. Hasek in his prime couldn't cover up for the atrociousness that has been the Rangers 5v5 play for the last year+.

The anti-Rangers media and fans that eat that shit up made Igor's performance in the playoffs some all time great performance. Meanwhile he was his normal self many high danger saves and a back breaking softy or two in 5 of the 6 games. He got insanely overrated because people loved the narrative of a hapless team being carried by Jesus in net. But he was his normal inconsistent self. Same shit happened against Tampa. He is Mika in goalie form. The arrogance of rejecting an 11 million a year offer he can go f*** himself.

 

[GAGLine]

I was replying to a post saying they need another Letter. You could fix this team fairly easily by adding 1 or 2 physical defenseman. Guys who won’t fall down when they attempt to hit people.

Also not to defend the team too much but our 2 best forwards have been out. I was encouraged by yesterday’s game. I bet they win against Philly and the Habs.

The short term (rest of season and this summer) plan needs to be a complete overhaul of the defense personnel. The long-term plan needs to be to find a way to remove Mika in time for Eichel’s free agency. The Rangers are 100% going to still make the playoffs this year.

I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Who are these defensemen and how are we acquiring them? Are we trading Miller? Trading Trouba and/or Lindgren isn't going to bring back better replacements.

We may need to move someone like a Kreider or Panarin in order to obtain the players we need. And even if we fix the defensive personnel, that doesn't necessarily fix the team defense as a whole.

And of course, we still have the Igor question. Are we better off trading him or re-signing him? Letting him walk is the absolute worst option, so we better figure it out soon.

Beating Philly and the Habs isn't the goal. Making the playoffs isn't the goal. I want a team that is capable of winning the cup. We need to make some hard, and smart, choices to achieve that.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Who are these defensemen and how are we acquiring them? Are we trading Miller? Trading Trouba and/or Lindgren isn't going to bring back better replacements.

We may need to move someone like a Kreider or Panarin in order to obtain the players we need. And even if we fix the defensive personnel, that doesn't necessarily fix the team defense as a whole.

And of course, we still have the Igor question. Are we better off trading him or re-signing him? Letting him walk is the absolute worst option, so we better figure it out soon.

Beating Philly and the Habs isn't the goal. Making the playoffs isn't the goal. I want a team that is capable of winning the cup. We need to make some hard, and smart, choices to achieve that.

tbf trading Trouba and Lindgren by default should make us better.

The scheme and coaching needs to change on defense. The whole system sucks. We keep getting coaches that are stuck in last generation of the NHL. We need a modern coach with a modern approach.

the goal is to win the cup. as currently constructed and coached, I just do not see that happening barring a perfect storm/miracle.

 

[TGWL]

One thing that was evident last night was that Carolina is in better shape than most of our players, they were putting on 3 min shifts attacking us at times and at the end we're all hunched over and they are still zipping around.

Not that I disagree with how this team looks for game shape, but it's easier to spend 3 mins on offense than 3 mins on defense.

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think it's as easy as you suggest. Who are these defensemen and how are we acquiring them? Are we trading Miller? Trading Trouba and/or Lindgren isn't going to bring back better replacements.

We may need to move someone like a Kreider or Panarin in order to obtain the players we need. And even if we fix the defensive personnel, that doesn't necessarily fix the team defense as a whole.

And of course, we still have the Igor question. Are we better off trading him or re-signing him? Letting him walk is the absolute worst option, so we better figure it out soon.

Beating Philly and the Habs isn't the goal. Making the playoffs isn't the goal. I want a team that is capable of winning the cup. We need to make some hard, and smart, choices to achieve that.

Florida won the cup after adding OEL, Kulikov and Mikkola to their defense. They suffocated us. Guys like that are on the market every year and deadline. It’s a matter of acting rather than talking. The Rangers love to talk. They don’t love to take action. A mentality change is needed. Play the kids who have been carrying us and slash the icetime of the vets who suck. Nothing is stopping them from doing this. Defense is the most easily correctable issue right now. If they stink it up the next 3 games, something needs to be done. Trust me I’m pissed off and annoyed by their play, but im not punting on this season, or any season.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Why not just change to a zone d and see if that helps our defenseman? It's the way they play on the pk, it works there, why not as a 5 man unit, the man to man d is what has killed this team since av.

Not that I disagree with how this team looks for game shape, but it's easier to spend 3 mins on offense than 3 mins on defense.

Yes it is but if you can't keep up to guys and your playing a man on man d you're gonna be chasing all shift exasperating the situation. You constantly see Mika or fox bent over coming back to the bench, not just last night. If they are winded their decisions are off, pull the minutes back. The man on man d is our downfall.

 

[duhmetreE]

One thing that was evident last night was that Carolina is in better shape than most of our players, they were putting on 3 min shifts attacking us at times and at the end we're all hunched over and they are still zipping around.

they’re always in motion and attacking as a group

Everyone knows their role and knows what to expect.

As opposed to our team where people just stare coasting and react late. We do everything slow

 

[TGWL]

I am not willing to go above 11 on 5 years. In fact, I'm leaning more and more towards the team solving their issues and then finding a goalie. With a goalie covering up their flaws, this team will continue to get away with not competing.

If this team can't win with Igor, why destroy your cap with a ridiculous contract.

Imagine if the Islanders had our skill. They'd be a cup favorite with their work ethic. We don't have enough of that. You can be slow and still move your feet.

Happy Turkey Day to those losers. I hope they wake up black friday morning on some door buster sale.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I am not willing to go above 11 on 5 years. In fact, I'm leaning more and more towards the team solving their issues and then finding a goalie. With a goalie covering up their flaws, this team will continue to get away with not competing.

If this team can't win with Igor, why destroy your cap with a ridiculous contract.

Imagine if the Islanders had our skill. They'd be a cup favorite with their work ethic. We don't have enough of that. You can be slow and still move your feet.

Happy Turkey Day to those losers. I hope they wake up black friday morning on some door buster sale.

Igor covering everything up is giving him way too much credit.

 

[will1066]

 

[SA16]

The anti-Rangers media and fans that eat that shit up made Igor's performance in the playoffs some all time great performance. Meanwhile he was his normal self many high danger saves and a back breaking softy or two in 5 of the 6 games. He got insanely overrated because people loved the narrative of a hapless team being carried by Jesus in net. But he was his normal inconsistent self. Same shit happened against Tampa. He is Mika in goalie form. The arrogance of rejecting an 11 million a year offer he can go f*** himself.

Even look at his game yesterday. Not a single comment from the broadcast or anything about his bad goals. Just about hard work from the Hurricanes, or an amazing shot to pick a corner etc. How about just being in position and making the save? Making some great saves does not absolve you from having to make the simple ones. They refuse to blame him for anything. Yet if he makes 3 good saves in a row on a flurry we hear non-stop about how he's locked in and how great he's playing how he's clearly the best goalie in the league etc.

Florida won the cup after adding OEL, Kulikov and Mikkola to their defense. They suffocated us. Guys like that are on the market every year and deadline. It’s a matter of acting rather than talking. The Rangers love to talk. They don’t love to take action. A mentality change is needed. Play the kids who have been carrying us and slash the icetime of the vets who suck. Nothing is stopping them from doing this. Defense is the most easily correctable issue right now. If they stink it up the next 3 games, something needs to be done. Trust me I’m pissed off and annoyed by their play, but im not punting on this season, or any season.

Florida also won the cup, after adding those guy in the offseason, and everyone talking about how horrible their defense was going to be - especially early with Montour and Ekblad out (and those aren't exactly two shut down guys).

 

[TominNC]

Mika + Miller for Stamkos + Skjei

Would Nashville do that? Would we?

Mika, want to go anywhere else?

Mika: nah I’m good.

End of Mika going somewhere else discussion. Again, he recently signed to be in NY for a long time and negotiated a NMC. It’s unlikely he wants to be somewhere else.

 

[duhmetreE]

IMO the team needs a true leader/alpha/A-type personality that will command the room and lead by example.

The ugly Tkachuk might be a good fit but it will take a lot of chair shuffling

This team does need a retool

 

[CLW]

they’re always in motion and attacking as a group

Everyone knows their role and knows what to expect.

As opposed to our team where people just stare coasting and react late. We do everything slow

The Canes weren't very impressive overall. They work hard but even our currently pear shaped team was mostly able to keep up with them, occasionally even pressure them. They got the bounces in this game which decided the matter.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yeah their spines are missing

 

[80s Kid]

One thing that was evident last night was that Carolina is in better shape than most of our players, they were putting on 3 min shifts attacking us at times and at the end we're all hunched over and they are still zipping around.

It's not just Carolina, many other teams just seem to play at a faster pace all around and it can be maddening to watch the Rangers take their time, plodding around the ice with their east/west obsession.

I watched a little bit of Vegas (Vagus) vs Colorado last night and it's as if players are moving at warp speed compared to the Rangers. If the Rangers style actually looked like it could work, I wouldn't care, but it doesn't, not even close.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Even look at his game yesterday. Not a single comment from the broadcast or anything about his bad goals. Just about hard work from the Hurricanes, or an amazing shot to pick a corner etc. How about just being in position and making the save? Making some great saves does not absolve you from having to make the simple ones. They refuse to blame him for anything. Yet if he makes 3 good saves in a row on a flurry we hear non-stop about how he's locked in and how great he's playing how he's clearly the best goalie in the league etc.



Florida also won the cup, after adding those guy in the offseason, and everyone talking about how horrible their defense was going to be - especially early with Montour and Ekblad out (and those aren't exactly two shut down guys).

Every time he has a game where he has to be what he's supposed to be a star goalie and gives up a soft game winning goal like he did against Calgary we get posts "how many saves do you want him to make?" As if him making many saves means he can give up a backbreaking softy for the winner. And these people act like we're the ones that are unreasonable.

 

[NYR Viper]

All of the issues are not going to be solved by one trade and some of the issues may remedy themselves in the process of making some changes. Make a trade and a change and re-evaluate for 5-10 games. See where things fall.

IMO, that trade is Kreider. Move on, get a good young player and a pick and see where things fall. Keep Berard up with the team.

The defense needs an overhaul for sure. Let Mancini cook and play Jones more with Schneider. See if they can find a new home for Lindgren. It’s time to move on. At this point, Ruewehdl is a suitable replacement or just call up Scanlin and see what he has in limited minutes. Watch the waiver wire.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

IMO the team needs a true leader/alpha/A-type personality that will command the room and lead by example.

The ugly Tkachuk might be a good fit but it will take a lot of chair shuffling

This team does need a retool

This is exactly why Zegras is absolutely not an option.

 

[GAGLine]

Florida won the cup after adding OEL, Kulikov and Mikkola to their defense. They suffocated us. Guys like that are on the market every year and deadline. It’s a matter of acting rather than talking. The Rangers love to talk. They don’t love to take action. A mentality change is needed. Play the kids who have been carrying us and slash the icetime of the vets who suck. Nothing is stopping them from doing this. Defense is the most easily correctable issue right now. If they stink it up the next 3 games, something needs to be done. Trust me I’m pissed off and annoyed by their play, but im not punting on this season, or any season.

You're oversimplifying it, attributing all of their success to those moves. Do you honestly believe that if we traded any 3 of our current defensemen for those 3, we'd be legit cup contenders? We had Mikkola on this team, and we still fell short to Tampa. We have more issues than just the defensemen.

Mika, want to go anywhere else?

Mika: nah I’m good.

End of Mika going somewhere else discussion. Again, he recently signed to be in NY for a long time and negotiated a NMC. It’s unlikely he wants to be somewhere else.

You could be right, but there's definitely something off with Mika that started last year and has only gotten worse. Maybe at this point, he would welcome a change of scenery. If we trade away his BFF, he might be even more inclined to move on.

I don't know what's in his head, but if we automatically assume he will veto any trade, then we might as well not even discuss it.