Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

Boris Zubov

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Yeah this is exactly right. Winning a cup this year was dependent on some guys having career seasons, everyone else playing to their normal levels, and then probably some sort of major TDL acquisition. I know it's still relatively early but I think it's pretty clear that none of those things will be happening, which makes this all feel pointless. It almost has the vibes of the Dark Ages teams where there were some good players, but put together, it wasn't enough and you knew we were just going to end up embarrassing ourselves.

I don't even want to watch this group because everyone (not everyone, but most guys) just looks lifeless and...blah. It's a transition year that we're not yet treating as such.
Last year was that season.....we had a bunch of these guys with career years or close....Panarin, Trocheck, Laffy all had their highest point totals, with Kreider & Fox a few points off their own personal bests. And with all that the team could only manage 10 playoff wins. They had a great regular season, but simply not good enough when it counted.

They were due to regress, but what we're seeing is way beyond regression. More like the wheels are ready to fall off. Personally I believe it's better for the team long term. If they continued winning, Drury would have no choice to add at the deadline. Would be fantastic if we were sellers with Igor heading the list of available rentals.
 
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bernmeister

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He was - cannot defend his lack of hockey IQ
stop w/the bs
Rempe's hockey IQ is fine for a rooki
they are obv desperate for D and this was only roster move they could make b'c
so far
THEY HAVE NOT YET LISTENED TO BERN AND TRADED VESEY
learn damn you R mgmt learn from the bern

Giving Mika that 8 year NMC was by far his worst move.
at first glance, yes

I wouldn’t even change the pick.
Heinola is a lhd.


That deal made sense at the time. And you give 1c’s full nmc’s.

Are we regretting it now? 100%.
At the time of the deal it made sense.
NO
this ^ is the fallacy
that you HAVE TO capitulate
NO YOU DON'T
you pay a little more per if nec AND NO FUGGIN NMC w/only limited ntcs

and if that got us only 2-3 yrs of zib
OR
even no yrs of zib
I'm fine w/that b'c we don't have kinds of probs we now have
again
admit bern is right
do it my way R mgmt

Adam Fox 155% thinks he's too good for this sort of thing and is a huge part of the problem.
I wouldn't go this ^ far, but...

Fox is a smart player, but he doesn’t skate well, isn’t physical, and doesn’t have a big shot. You have to do at least one of those things well. Come playoff time when the game is a lot tougher, Fox seems overmatched. I know 99% of Ranger fans worship him but he is highly overrated.
spot on
we can't all be unicorns and Fox has marveled at how his super superior IQ has gotten him by
BUT
as he slows and opponents figure his game, his net positives go down


Don't care about Fox's physicality because he is plenty physical for a small guy.

My concern is his terrible body language after turnovers, where he throws his head back in exasperation (happens like 5 times a night at this point) and his lack of urgency skating back into his zone to retrieve the puck. Also shoot the f***ing puck my man. Averages 5 shots a game for his career and down to 3.6 this year. The underlying numbers are the same as always, so to me that signals poor decision making with the puck on his stick.
this seems to supplement the above...


Fox takes so much flak in the corners I wonder if he's going to go the way of Lindgren in a few years. He's already slowed down physically. This guy really has to focus on keeping himself in as great a shape as he can. His godly IQ is not going to help if he gets worn down to a pulp.
As does this ^

No trade lists exist for a reason. I’m not moving somewhere I don’t want to live. The team agreed to this provision.
People need to stop being so “offended.”
Agreed, should be a policy never to allow this provision
that said,
venting w/o constructive purpose I agree is annoying
howev
it is fair to examine if there are immediate considerations that can be addressed which will induce waiving
e.g.,
Trouba reluctant to move due to wife's employment
so rest of the league is something else but NJ or LI should be possible


Really wondering what we could pry loose from Ottawa. I think there could be good business had between these two franchises. Ottawa needs a change, Rangers need a change.
What we want/need from Ottawa will cost
it would not be cheap
they would want overpay

given Ulmark poor start, MAYBE
Shesty 12.2 x 5 retained 2.0 + Gabe P + KAM + Smith
gets
Sanderson + Pinto + Ulmark

and even then, they are not receptive to mere overpay
most other deals, I would so no

From what Mollie and Larry have said I think (and I hate to say it) Zibanejad lacks something mentally that will let him use his skills ot their full potential consistently. He himself has said he's constantly fighting to not get down on himself and he seems like he just has absolutely no confidence and can't handle adversity. His best seasons were when everything just clicked and he was flying and playing with a ton of confidence. At this point he's coming into every season going "shit am I gonna suck this year? oh no"

e: I also expected them to at least build on last year a bit even if the results weren't the same/they weren't as lucky. But it seems like they have no interest in playing a system and no interest in playing hard and everything that made them successful last year was taken for granted and gone. That's why people are mad IMO....they were a good team last year, this year with basically the same players, they aren't. That stings.
Isn't he documented for some concussions?
could we get a medical something or other to pay him off w/buy out but not lose cap hit b'c buy out is medical?
 

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They had a great regular season, but simply not good enough when it counted.
And therein lies the best summary of the Rangers....they can play well and put up excellent (if not great) regular season numbers, but it doesn't carry over to playoffs when games are tighter. The first round against Washington is a prime example. Even thought they swept them, that series should never have been that close.
 

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Dolan has a knicks team thats winning games. He's not paying attention. This is the perfect time for Drury to make a legit change.

When the knicks are losing is when Dolan pays attention.


Out of curiosity do you think Mika is the only vegan/vegetarian in the league?
Like I get the Mika hate right now, but there are better attacks on him than his diet.
There are very few high level vegan athletes in the world. It is certainly a concern if he is malnourished it can affect him physically and mentally.
 

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Floating around in my head...Small ads to make the deal work.


Kredier to MN
Middleton to NYR

Kreider to Calgary
Weegar to NYR

Trouba to Seattle
Tanev to NYR

Trouba to Edmonton money retained
Adam Henrique to NYR
 

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And therein lies the best summary of the Rangers....they can play well and put up excellent (if not great) regular season numbers, but it doesn't carry over to playoffs when games are tighter. The first round against Washington is a prime example. Even thought they swept them, that series should never have been that close.
lol only 10 playoff wins
 
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Cuylle is better than Callahan was.

Callahan had an amazing motor and balls of steel. His skill set was average at best and his head for the game was less than that.

He literally Willed himself to a NHL career which is admirable.

Terrific analyst though despite having an accent I despise LOL.

Cally needs a couple different delivery voices. He’s monotonous.
 
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Fox and Trocheck have been complete no-shows - don’t tell me about Fox’s assists.
He has very little impact on the game in terms of putting shots on net and pressing the play upfront. He is also become one of the slowest rangers on the team.
By the end of next season, he’ll be a detrimental hockey player.
If you can’t see that you’re not paying attention.

Trocheck has turned into an asshole skating around smirking and slashing guys from behind zero production.

I don’t think there’s one untouchable on this team except Cuyelle.
Lafy Schneider Cuylle Othmann Berard Sykora guys with work ethic id keep. Fox does more whining to the refs. If you whine to the ref you deserve whatever extra they give. Id bench players for that. This team does it more than others. Mika stops playing to yell at the ref. This has to change. Leaders are not leading the right way.
 
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Lafy Schneider Cuylle Othmann Berard Sykora guys with work ethic id keep. Fox does more whining to the refs. If you whine to the ref you deserve whatever extra they give. Id bench players for that. This team does it more than others. Mika stops playing to yell at the ref. This has to change. Leaders are not leading the right way.
pretty sure you're missing a few. you have an issue with Kakko's work ethic?
 
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Ah f*** the Nedved comparison feels too spot on. I can't unsee it now. My dad used to call him Deadved because he looked lifeless out there.
 
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pretty sure you're missing a few. you have an issue with Kakko's work ethic?

Not at all. I know I missed him and Chytil. Those were obvious. Chytil has injury issues and Kakko has bad luck. He looks better this year compared to years last, hope he figures it out.
 

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Nedved was my favorite player. Haha

He gets a bad rap I think. He was basically that teams panarin but with a worse supporting cast. Way worse.

It still bothers me we didn't sign him after that PTO. He was fantastic in that preseason and was a PK monster. He deserved that contract and to retire a ranger. He loved playing here, for whatever reason. Haha
 
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You could convince me, if the Rangers could add a couple of center prospects somehow, be it by adding picks to make those selections or getting a prospect back, that a team with
Trochek
Chytil
Gourde (signed via UFA)
Carrick

Has decent center depth, especially when they would be flanked by the likes of
Panarin
Lafreniere
Cuylle
Kakko
Berard
Perrault/Othmann
Edstrom
Rempe


The skill level would drop but I’d better a guess that the team would completely revamp its mentality quickly.

The same goes for the defense. You could convince me that by trading Trouba and Lindgren and just signing a couple of decent veteran d-men for a year or two to stop-gap, as long as they add a prospect, be it draft or via trade, would be a step forward. Let Mancini marinate for a full year and re-evaluate.
 
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Boris Zubov

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Nedved was my favorite player. Haha

He gets a bad rap I think. He was basically that teams panarin but with a worse supporting cast. Way worse.

It still bothers me we didn't sign him after that PTO. He was fantastic in that preseason and was a PK monster. He deserved that contract and to retire a ranger. He loved playing here, for whatever reason. Haha
He was so frustrating to watch. The talent was evident & he would look dazzling for weeks. Then he would disappear for weeks.

I actually met him in the Bahamas over Memorial Day weekend in 2000. Couldn't believe how skinny he was without equipment on. He was shocked that I knew who he was when we wound up sitting at the same table in the casino of the Atlantis.
 

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Trading Chris Kreider would send the wrong kind of Rangers message

Chris Kreider is not the problem. He is not an issue in the room. Fact is, he is not among the most pressing dozen or so matters the Rangers and GM Chris Drury are dealing with at the moment.

But by highlighting Kreider’s name in Chris Drury’s league-wide memo, the GM created more than some shock value. We are told that Drury has engaged in multiple conversations over the last 48 hours with counterparts about the Blueshirts’ senior player.

I don’t buy the suggestion that Drury used the memo-leak tactic to motivate his underachieving team. It is my understanding that the GM recognizes that it is imperative to change the dynamic, and the sooner the better.

So I kind of get it. Among the team’s veterans, Kreider has the most value. He has played up to at least every cent of his $6.5 million AAV on a contract that has two seasons remaining after this one. He might be able to bring a bounty in return. He has no baggage.

But what type of bounty, if that is even realistic? Stanley Cup contenders don’t generally sacrifice current value when they are seeking to fortify. Would Drury take a package of prospects and draft picks that are generally templates for deals around the trade deadline?

If so, this would be an indication of a teardown rather than a buildup. The ramifications on pending unrestricted free agent Igor Shesterkin would likely be massive and would have to be measured. Is the goalie signing up for a rebuild? Isn’t that actually where the goalie came in?

This is a whole other rabbit hole in which we could get lost for days.

Keep in mind that Kreider has a 15-team no-trade list. It may not matter if Ottawa would be willing to send Shane Pinto and a first-rounder to New York in exchange for Kreider. It probably doesn’t matter what Calgary would be willing to offer, no offense.

Would Buffalo, a perfect fit, be willing to trade Dylan Cozens for the winger? I wouldn’t think so. Would Anaheim, whose GM Pat Verbeek doesn’t have all that much to show for his tenure, be willing to send Trevor Zegras to New York in exchange for Kreider?

Would Buffalo, a perfect fit, be willing to trade Dylan Cozens for the winger? I wouldn’t think so. Would Anaheim, whose GM Pat Verbeek doesn’t have all that much to show for his tenure, be willing to send Trevor Zegras to New York in exchange for Kreider?

Again, it is unclear whether Drury’s priority is merely to shake up the core and change the dynamic or whether it is to make targeted deals that would improve this team’s prospects of getting those six extra wins in June?

If it’s the latter, I’m not quite sure that trading away the club’s most reliable playoff performer is the way to go. I’ll tell you this, as well, the Rangers would be talking about finding nine more wins and not six if Kreider had not been wearing the Blueshirt in Game 6 in Carolina last spring.

Of course, Kreider is an imperfect player. He is not the prototypical power winger folks might have envisioned at the start of his career. But everyone has known that for a very long time. No. 20 stopped being a ferocious puck-hunter in the wake of the Carey Price incident that was followed by a bevy of head-scratching goaltender interference calls the next season, remember? Yes, he should have more consistent impact at five-on-five.

But Kreider has evolved into one of the most productive goal scorers in the league and one of the most dangerous special teams weapons extant on each side of the puck, attributes that should elevate the winger onto the USA’s Four Nations squad even if he is a role-playing fourth-liner.

And he has served this organization honorably from the moment he arrived fresh-faced off the Boston College campus for the start of the 2012 playoffs. He is admired for his generosity within the organization and within the hockey community. His work ethic is legendary.

I almost hesitate to point this out after excoriating the core just a day ago, but Kreider has become the latter day Mr. Ranger. He is the organization’s institutional memory. He is the lifeline to Henrik Lundqvist and Rick Nash, to Ryan Callahan and Ryan McDonagh, to Derek Stepan and Marty St. Louis, to Marian Gaborik and Ruslan Fedotenko. To John Tortorella.

Of course, the original Mr. Ranger, the beloved Rod Gilbert — whom Kreider trails by 93 goals (406-313) for the all-time franchise record — was flat out released seven weeks into his 16th season by then GM John Ferguson nearly 47 years ago to the day.

And you thought waiving Barclay Goodrow was disrespectful ?

The Rangers have serious issues with which to contend. The Drury Memo has added another layer to it all. He has thrown a grenade into the room, but no one can quite tell whether the pin is in place or not.

Chris Kreider is not the problem. And unless there is a bounty coming back in return that fortifies the 2024-25 Rangers — unlikely, but perhaps not impossible because it only takes one dancing partner — trading Kreider is not the solution, either.
 

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Nobody expects to win the Cup every year. Hell, nobody expects to win the Cup at all. But it's fun if you could win it. It's fun if you're making progress and maybe in two years you could win it. It's even fun if you stink but the team is young and maybe in five years we're a juggernaut. It's fun if you have no idea if it's any of those and you need to see the season play out.

This isn't any of the above. This is the fourth go-around of a season we've watched three times before that isn't going to lead to any of the above. It's a ghost of a season. It's a literal waste of time.
f***in realest shit I’ve ever read
 
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Trading Chris Kreider would send the wrong kind of Rangers message

Chris Kreider is not the problem. He is not an issue in the room. Fact is, he is not among the most pressing dozen or so matters the Rangers and GM Chris Drury are dealing with at the moment.

But by highlighting Kreider’s name in Chris Drury’s league-wide memo, the GM created more than some shock value. We are told that Drury has engaged in multiple conversations over the last 48 hours with counterparts about the Blueshirts’ senior player.

I don’t buy the suggestion that Drury used the memo-leak tactic to motivate his underachieving team. It is my understanding that the GM recognizes that it is imperative to change the dynamic, and the sooner the better.

So I kind of get it. Among the team’s veterans, Kreider has the most value. He has played up to at least every cent of his $6.5 million AAV on a contract that has two seasons remaining after this one. He might be able to bring a bounty in return. He has no baggage.

But what type of bounty, if that is even realistic? Stanley Cup contenders don’t generally sacrifice current value when they are seeking to fortify. Would Drury take a package of prospects and draft picks that are generally templates for deals around the trade deadline?

If so, this would be an indication of a teardown rather than a buildup. The ramifications on pending unrestricted free agent Igor Shesterkin would likely be massive and would have to be measured. Is the goalie signing up for a rebuild? Isn’t that actually where the goalie came in?

This is a whole other rabbit hole in which we could get lost for days.

Keep in mind that Kreider has a 15-team no-trade list. It may not matter if Ottawa would be willing to send Shane Pinto and a first-rounder to New York in exchange for Kreider. It probably doesn’t matter what Calgary would be willing to offer, no offense.

Would Buffalo, a perfect fit, be willing to trade Dylan Cozens for the winger? I wouldn’t think so. Would Anaheim, whose GM Pat Verbeek doesn’t have all that much to show for his tenure, be willing to send Trevor Zegras to New York in exchange for Kreider?

Would Buffalo, a perfect fit, be willing to trade Dylan Cozens for the winger? I wouldn’t think so. Would Anaheim, whose GM Pat Verbeek doesn’t have all that much to show for his tenure, be willing to send Trevor Zegras to New York in exchange for Kreider?

Again, it is unclear whether Drury’s priority is merely to shake up the core and change the dynamic or whether it is to make targeted deals that would improve this team’s prospects of getting those six extra wins in June?

If it’s the latter, I’m not quite sure that trading away the club’s most reliable playoff performer is the way to go. I’ll tell you this, as well, the Rangers would be talking about finding nine more wins and not six if Kreider had not been wearing the Blueshirt in Game 6 in Carolina last spring.

Of course, Kreider is an imperfect player. He is not the prototypical power winger folks might have envisioned at the start of his career. But everyone has known that for a very long time. No. 20 stopped being a ferocious puck-hunter in the wake of the Carey Price incident that was followed by a bevy of head-scratching goaltender interference calls the next season, remember? Yes, he should have more consistent impact at five-on-five.

But Kreider has evolved into one of the most productive goal scorers in the league and one of the most dangerous special teams weapons extant on each side of the puck, attributes that should elevate the winger onto the USA’s Four Nations squad even if he is a role-playing fourth-liner.

And he has served this organization honorably from the moment he arrived fresh-faced off the Boston College campus for the start of the 2012 playoffs. He is admired for his generosity within the organization and within the hockey community. His work ethic is legendary.

I almost hesitate to point this out after excoriating the core just a day ago, but Kreider has become the latter day Mr. Ranger. He is the organization’s institutional memory. He is the lifeline to Henrik Lundqvist and Rick Nash, to Ryan Callahan and Ryan McDonagh, to Derek Stepan and Marty St. Louis, to Marian Gaborik and Ruslan Fedotenko. To John Tortorella.

Of course, the original Mr. Ranger, the beloved Rod Gilbert — whom Kreider trails by 93 goals (406-313) for the all-time franchise record — was flat out released seven weeks into his 16th season by then GM John Ferguson nearly 47 years ago to the day.

And you thought waiving Barclay Goodrow was disrespectful ?

The Rangers have serious issues with which to contend. The Drury Memo has added another layer to it all. He has thrown a grenade into the room, but no one can quite tell whether the pin is in place or not.

Chris Kreider is not the problem. And unless there is a bounty coming back in return that fortifies the 2024-25 Rangers — unlikely, but perhaps not impossible because it only takes one dancing partner — trading Kreider is not the solution, either.
Agree with this. Kreider is not the problem. Mika is a 3C getting paid like a 1C. Lindgren is a 7D paid like a 3/4D. Trouba is a bottom pair guy paid like a top pair guy. Those are the problems. At least on the surface.
 
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