Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[McRanger92]

This is what makes Cuylle such a revelation. He fights to get to the inside of the ice. When Trochek is playing well, he's doing the same thing. Same goes for Chytil and Lafreniere.

People shit on Othmann as a prospect for whatever reason but if he was in the NHL, whether he was scoring or not, he's going to force himself and the puck to the net and get there himself.

That's the identity the Rangers should be fostering more of. Its repeatable and sustainable. I'd rather score a goal on a fluttering wrist shot that goes off Cuylle's foot, than spend a minute+ in the OZ stickhandling along the perimeter and getting 0 shots on goal.

 

[EdJovanovski]

No trade lists exist for a reason. I’m not moving somewhere I don’t want to live. The team agreed to this provision.
People need to stop being so “offended.”

He does NOT have a full NTC. He has a modified 15 or whatever team no trade list, yet he threatened not to report to teams that weren't even on his no trade list. It is absolutely NOT within his rights to do so and it should be grounds to terminate his contract.

 

[IDvsEGO]

So smug. Acting like he didn't actively block a trade 4 months ago which is why he's being asked this in the first place.

the only one who actually said he did that was brooks. He started that rumor, maybe trouba’s agent directed him to, but there were zero reports from Trouba or Drury confirming it.

So maybe it was brooks being brooks?

 

[effen]

so now it's the structure causing Trouba to look non-NHL level?

I only ask because you've been particularly vocal that the D are just rotten to the core and uncoachable. is Trouba going to become coachable (or, at least, have an NHL level gap) on another team?

The Rangers are not a particularly structured team, freelancing is baked into how they play. That's good if you're Adam Fox with 200 IQ or Artemi Panarin who's a great skater. It's hard if you're Jacob Trouba with below average speed and acceleration and you're left on an island because the squad flew the zone.

On a Bruce Cassidy team he'll look a lot better because there's a lot more certainty to the decision tree. A lot more built in puck support and as a result, gap control.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Its kind of funny you say this.

I was listening to NhL radio in. The morning last week and they talked about a former player.

To sum it up, he was a player that was good at hockey but didnt actually like the sport, and honestly doesnt follow it at all now since he js out of it.

I get those vibes from Mika. Like he is good at it, and does it because he is good at it. But doesnt really care about it.

Edit: i was defintiely wrong with the original name. Cant remember the name of the player. But it was interesting to listen too.

Sounds like Alexandre Daigle

 

[McRanger92]

the only one who actually said he did that was brooks. He started that rumor, maybe trouba’s agent directed him to, but there were zero reports from Trouba or Drury confirming it.

So maybe it was brooks being brooks?

On a related note, does Brooks still go to the locker room? Seems like they let Mollie do the grunt work now that he's behind a paywall. The article raking Kreider and Mika over the coals yesterday (deservedly so) was interesting coming from Larry who has known them for a decade.

Everyone knows its over, and it's all over but the crying.

 

[Mikachu93]

the only one who actually said he did that was brooks. He started that rumor, maybe trouba’s agent directed him to, but there were zero reports from Trouba or Drury confirming it.

So maybe it was brooks being brooks?

I believe Mollie also indicated this to be the case and Friedman reported on the draft floor that a Trouba trade was being worked on between Detroit and NYR and then he mentioned Trouba submitting his list with Detroit on it to block it.

It was pretty much confirmed.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

This is what makes Cuylle such a revelation. He fights to get to the inside of the ice. When Trochek is playing well, he's doing the same thing. Same goes for Chytil and Lafreniere.

People shit on Othmann as a prospect for whatever reason but if he was in the NHL, whether he was scoring or not, he's going to force himself and the puck to the net and get there himself.

Yeah, also explains why we draw the fewest PPs in the league

 

[McRanger92]

I believe Mollie also indicated this to be the case and Friedman reported on the draft floor that a Trouba trade was being worked on between Detroit and NYR and then he mentioned Trouba submitting his list with Detroit on it to block it.

It was pretty much confirmed.

This is also how I remember it

 

[Ruggs225]

Sounds like Alexandre Daigle

It wasnt him. That i remember.

 

[IDvsEGO]

This is also how I remember it

There’s a substantial difference between putting Detroit on his list to block a trade,
and threatening not to report.

I do agree with the statement that he put Detroit on his list to block that.
But brooks reported that he would refuse to report and it got national attention, but that was never corroborated.

That’s the part I’m talking about.

 

[NYR Viper]

This trade legitimately works cap wise for both teams:

Trouba @ 50% for Trenin @ 50% + Bogosian + picks/prospects

Trouba's contract would be up at the same time that Kaprizov is due a new contract and Trouba would fit in well with their team identity. That seems like a fit to me.

This type of trade would need to be predicated on Drury finding a spot to play Trenin however. He's a LW. Unless they could find a taker for him elsewhere

 

[will1066]

@EdJovanovski today's a perfect day for a pic of Lavi in handcuffs being escorted into a squad car. Whaddaya say?

 

[McRanger92]

There’s a substantial difference between putting Detroit on his list to block a trade,
and threatening not to report.

I do agree with the statement that he put Detroit on his list to block that.
But brooks reported that he would refuse to report and it got national attention, but that was never corroborated.

That’s the part I’m talking about.

I just dont think Trouba's obvious lack of effort or care should be waved off because the media embarrassed him. He and the rest of the team owe it to the fans who pay to watch them play. That's why I get so hot about this stuff. These guys are millionaires acting persecuted when their play leaves so much to be desired.

 

[IDvsEGO]

I just dont think Trouba's obvious lack of effort or care should be waved off because the media embarrassed him. He and the rest of the team owe it to the fans who pay to watch them play. That's why I get so hot about this stuff. These guys are millionaires acting persecuted when their play leaves so much to be desired.

What does that have to do w my point?

I don’t disagree with any of your statement just legitimately confused

 

[McRanger92]

What does that have to do w my point?

I don’t disagree with any of your statement just legitimately confused

Nothing, was just continuing my original thought on it.

 

[SA16]

This trade legitimately works cap wise for both teams:

Trouba @ 50% for Trenin @ 50% + Bogosian + picks/prospects

Trouba's contract would be up at the same time that Kaprizov is due a new contract and Trouba would fit in well with their team identity. That seems like a fit to me.

This type of trade would need to be predicated on Drury finding a spot to play Trenin however. He's a LW. Unless they could find a taker for him elsewhere

Seems like a trade for the sake of making a trade. Bogosian is a downgrade on Trouba. The cap hit is a wash and extended longer term. Trenin is terrible offensively (the worst pts/60 of any forward in the league with 2,000+ mins the last 3 years. Number 183 out of 183) and plays a position we don't need. Would we be happy if bringing him in causes Edstrom to become a healthy scratch or go down to the AHL?

 

[NYR Viper]

Carrier for Trouba @ 50%
3.75M cap hit for $4m cap hit
RD for RD

Teams stay pretty much stagnant in regards to the cap (Rangers gain $0.25m, Preds lose $0.25m). Skjei and Trouba are best friends. Preds gain a shorter contract on a player who they may prefer and may be able to re-sign eventually to a lesser deal to stay. Lots of doctor jobs in Nashville. Both teams need a shakeup. Trotz got to see Trouba in NY quite a bit earlier in his stint in NY.

 

[Levitate]

Yeah he is a big concern of mine. Like he is night and day from last year both skill wise, and attitude/hustle wise.

Its what really makes me think that alot of bad is going around in locker room. Like worse thet what is being reported.

I haven't been paying attention much lately because I've been traveling and missing games (which seems like a good thing!) but the whole team looks like they're facing adversity and aren't sure what to do about it
man as much as I like Kreider in general trade rumors about him also don't shock me...he's a huge culprit in the "low energy and won't make an effort around the ice" stuff that goes on. His work on the boards is basically zero effort, his defensive work is zero effort, he hates to touch the puck to do anything with it except sometimes shoot and to deflect shots. His play is a shining example of what the team has struggled with this year and why they keep getting their shit kicked in.
You can't play soft in this league, and Kreider is playing as soft as it gets. You gotta at least put in some effort around the ice and not just in front of the net.

 

[NYR Viper]

Seems like a trade for the sake of making a trade. Bogosian is a downgrade on Trouba. The cap hit is a wash and extended longer term. Trenin is terrible offensively (the worst pts/60 of any forward in the league with 2,000+ mins the last 3 years. Number 183 out of 183) and plays a position we don't need. Would we be happy if bringing him in causes Edstrom to become a healthy scratch or go down to the AHL?

It depends on the picks. I would think 2nd + 3rd + 4th to go along with those guys. And moving Trenin @ $1.75m or Bogosian @ $1.25m should be far simpler than Trouba @ $8m.

 

[28]

He does NOT have a full NTC. He has a modified 15 or whatever team no trade list, yet he threatened not to report to teams that weren't even on his no trade list. It is absolutely NOT within his rights to do so and it should be grounds to terminate his contract.

If that’s true, the team asked when they didn’t have to. I still don’t blame the player.

 

[CLW]

Sounds like Alexandre Daigle

It wasnt him. That i remember.

The guy the Kings traded for Gretzky was a good player but quit hockey post-career completely if iirc.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

The guy the Kings traded for Gretzky was a good player but quit hockey post-career completely if iirc.

Gelinas?

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

can we stop with the “threatening to not report” shit

The only person who’s been pushing that is Larry, who is on the Rangers payroll basically.

Trouba had 8 million reasons to report if traded, just stop it

 

[CLW]

Gelinas?

Jimmy Carson (had to google it in my old age).