Speculation: Roster Building Thread - Part XIII (Nanaki edition)

[Pawnee Rangers]

He doesnt do much else at this point. And looks basically disengaged.

His MO has always been disappear for stretches at a time.

Its just time to stop clinging to the past and let the kids lead and grow.

One of the biggest threats and most effective PKers in the league, best net front guy in the league, his line (up until this year thanks to Mika) always generates more than they give up. There's no need to choose between one or the other. The kids can still play and grow, it's kinda happening as we speak. Who is he preventing from doing anything?

 

[EdJovanovski]

What do you guys think of Ivan Provorov?
LD on expiring contract at only $4.725M, if CBJ retains he could be $2.363M

 

[Ruggs225]

One of the best threats and most effective PKers in the league, best net front guy in the league, his line (up until this year thanks to Mika) always generates more than they give up. There's no need to choose between one or the other. The kids can still play and grow, it's kinda happening as we speak. Who is he preventing from doing anything?

Kreider is not good at 5on 5. He just isnt. He is good off the rush but thats about it.

He is great at pk, and net front. But for me 5on5 is more important.

I would even go as far as saying trading him and smith and replacing them with berard and othmann the tram wouldn't miss a beat.

The Pp would be fine bc we have alot of weapons, and i think Kakko can step up on the PK.

And we would probably be better 5on5 or at least no worse than what that line is already.

And if we dont win more, who cares, bc this team as constructed aint winning shit.

 

[Raspewtin]

I don't think trading Kreider is the answer at all or even scratching Zib but I understand why people want it. We're stuck with an aging, deteriorating, never good enough in the first place core. The veterans suck and, at least visibly, play like they don't give a f***. we got absolutely f***ing shellacked and the whole team went through the motions and just took it. the leaders are the worst offenders of not giving a shit.

It's really hard to be a realistic fan of this team right now. i get it.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I don't think trading Kreider is the answer at all or even scratching Zib but I understand why people want it. We're stuck with an aging, deteriorating, never good enough in the first place core. The veterans suck and, at least visibly, play like they don't give a f***. we got absolutely f***ing shellacked and the whole team went through the motions and just took it. the leaders are the worst offenders of not giving a shit.

It's really hard to be a realistic fan of this team right now. i get it.

I think trading Kreider or any veteran should be on the table in the offseason, for now there’s nothing they can do except potentially move Lindgren for an upgrade. Maybe if they trade Kreider Zibanejad would be willing to waive also which would be a huge plus.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Kreider is not good at 5on 5. He just isnt. He is good off the rush but thats about it.

He is great at pk, and net front. But for me 5on5 is more important.

I would even go as far as saying trading him and smith and replacing them with berard and othmann the tram wouldn't miss a beat.

The Pp would be fine bc we have alot of weapons, and i think Kakko can step up on the PK.

And we would probably be better 5on5 or at least no worse than what that line is already.

And if we dont win more, who cares, bc this team as constructed aint winning shit.

Lol, c'mon man. Be serious. If Othmann were that good he would have made the team out of camp and Cuylle would have started the season on the 4th line. The both of them combined wouldn't total Kreiders output in a season if you gave them two seasons to do it.

 

[Raspewtin]

Lol, c'mon man. Be serious. If Othmann were that good he would have made the team out of camp and Cuylle would have started the season on the 4th line. The both of them combined wouldn't total Kreiders output in a season if you gave them two seasons to do it.

well to be fair Othmann has been hurt since week 2 of the AHL season. he started the year with 5p in 3 games.

 

[Ruggs225]

Lol, c'mon man. Be serious. If Othmann were that good he would have made the team out of camp and Cuylle would have started the season on the 4th line. The both of them combined wouldn't total Kreiders output in a season if you gave them two seasons to do it.

Its not even that othmann would be that good. Its that the zib,kre,smith line has been that shit 5on5 it wouldnt make a difference. And cuylee is outproducing Kreider this year by a good margin with like 5 min less ice time a game.

We have two solid lines 5on5, a 4th line and then a the old line of players on the downside of their careers.

and yes Kreider is clearly showing he is entering the downside this year. He isnt going to get better in the long run either.

Its time for management to be honest with themselves and see this team is weak and propped by shesty. Ite best players are our young players except panarin. Its time to make the transition.


We can even do it and make the playoffs this year still.

 

[bernmeister]

The easiest solution is to play Will the Thrill with Kreider and Zib next season. Opens up a spot for Berard, Perrault, or Othman. But I do think one of them not named Perrault ends up moving at the deadline for whatever they need/want.

some concur but want to keep new kid line intact

Berard has to show value before he brings a good return
tuf b'c he is super smurf level and not NHL unless he can do Marty St Louis impression

Oth can stay or go dep on the return

we need help but we need to be sensible
desperation moves [rentals, etc.] have only bit us in the ass, repeatedly

 

[LOFIN]

Kreider is not redundant, because he's the best re-direct man in the league and it's not close. It's the job for Lavy to frankly fix the PP around him.

He's worth the caphit, when we fix that PP. And he will be a part of it.

 

[Pawnee Rangers]

Its not even that othmann would be that good. Its that the zib,kre,smith line has been that shit 5on5 it wouldnt make a difference.

We have two solid lines 5on5, a 4th line and then a the old line of players on the downside of their careers.

and yes Kreider is clearly showing he is entering the downside this year. He isnt going to get better in the long run either.

Its time for management to be honest with themselves and see this team is weak and propped by shesty. Ite best players are our young players except panarin. Its time to make the transition.


We can even do it and make the playoffs this year still.

He is one of the most productive guys on the team, he has 9 goals on the season. He's the least of their problems. AND he's one of the few guys who consistently shows up in the playoffs.

 

[bernmeister]

I’m tired of people giving Drury a pass. The guy has had chances to make a deal and he hasn’t.

Anyone with a brain could have come to the conclusion that the next logical step once Trouba wasn’t going to get moved, was to trade Lindgren. And yet he sat on his hands and didn’t do shit

So yeah

that's not the ?
the ? is why, when I begged repeatedly we move Lindgren, while he still had value, coupla yrs ago, nobody got on that bandwagon?

did we not learn anything from not trading
Buch until the very last minute when all he had was a scintilla of term greatly cutting into his value?

 

[Ruggs225]

Kreider is not redundant, because he's the best re-direct man in the league and it's not close. It's the job for Lavy to frankly fix the PP around him.

He's worth the caphit, when we fix that PP. And he will be a part of it.

No, lav should build the PP around fox, laf and panarin and maybe even cuylle the way he is playing.

Kreider is the past. Need to look forward.

 

[LOFIN]

No, lav should build the PP around fox, laf and panarin and maybe even cuylle the way he is playing.

Kreider is the past. Need to look forward.

That's like saying Ovechkin is the past, need to look forward.

Kreider is literally by pretty much every stat, the best redirect man in the league. It's not even close. He's that good at it. Cuylle might very well be the Kreider replacement 5v5. TBH he's that right now. But there's a long way for him to become literally the best infront man in hockey on the powerplay.

Kreider is unironically the first lock for PP1 on this team. Not Fox, not Panarin. It's Kreider.

 

[NickyFotiu]

GMs would stumble all over him based off his past. He still can score and is good in front of net and is a decent contract.

He would bring back at least a a first and a top prospect.

but u already see his play starting to decline. so trade him while he has good value.

This veteran core aint winning shit. Cut bait get top picks prospects and remain competitive with our core of good young players we have.

Yes age will play a role/decline for a handful of our guys so Im open to moving them but the devil is in the details. Im not looking for Leetch, McD, Zooks, JT Miller type deals that backfired.

 

[Ruggs225]

That's like saying Ovechkin is the past, need to look forward.

Kreider is literally by pretty much every stat, the best redirect man in the league. It's not even close. He's that good at it. Cuylle might very well be the Kreider replacement 5v5. TBH he's that right now. But there's a long way for him to become literally the best infront man in hockey on the powerplay.

Kreider is unironically the first lock for PP1 on this team. Not Fox, not Panarin. It's Kreider.

You can have a good PP without the best redirect man. It is possible. When u have fox, laff and panarin on the ice u shouldnt need to rely on a redirection for everything.

Make him the focal point of PP2.

 

[LOFIN]

You can have a good PP without the best redirect man. It is possible. When u have fox, laff and panarin on the ice u shouldnt need to rely on a redirection for everything.

Make him the focal point of PP2.

Kreider is literally the only guy on this team, that is the best at his craft in the entire league. Why would you want to change that?

Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Trocheck. You can find better players around the league for their position in the powerplay, I would argue. Not for Kreider.

 

[McRanger92]

What do you guys think of Ivan Provorov?
LD on expiring contract at only $4.725M, if CBJ retains he could be $2.363M

Not giving up a real asset for rentals to help this doomed roster. If its a guy with term, ill listen.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Not giving up a real asset for rentals to help this doomed roster. If its a guy with term, ill listen.

What if we do it with an extension in place? He's still pretty young, 27. And I'm sure he'd like to play with Panarin & Igor. Would be a massive upgrade on Lindgren

 

[Ruggs225]

Kreider is literally the only guy on this team, that is the best at his craft in the entire league. Why would you want to change that?

Panarin, Zibanejad, Fox, Trocheck. You can find better players around the league for their position in the powerplay, I would argue. Not for Kreider.

Bc it might not mesh with a unit of Laf, panarin. Both have great shots. U might not need redirects.

Both can pass well and move the puck.

If he works with them than keep him.

If not, than why are we building around a one dimensional player who is on the downside of his career.

i see why lav does what he does. Its the same here on this board. “I want change. As long as everything stays the same.”

What if we do it with an extension in place? He's still pretty young, 27. And I'm sure he'd like to play with Panarin & Igor. Would be a massive upgrade on Lindgren

Playing with 5 dmen and 19 skaters in total would be a massive upgrade to lindgren.

 

[LOFIN]

Bc it might not mesh with a unit of Laf, panarin. Both have great shots. U might not need redirects.

There will always be a man infront of the net. What are we talking about here?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

There will always be a man infront of the net. What are we talking about here?

People either are too young or don't remember how before Kreider and to smaller extent Callahan Rangers fans were constantly whining how we had no net front presence.

 

[Ruggs225]

There will always be a man infront of the net. What are we talking about here?

Yes, but it doesnt mean u need to build around that person as u suggested.

I wouldnt build shit around kreider.

If u can have a PP operate well with say cuylle instead of kreider, then move kreider to Pp2 so give that one a weapon.

I dont care if kreider is on PP1 or 2. I just dont want the NYr to build around him or do things to appease him.

Im done with him.

And this is coming from someone who argued to keep him the 2020 trade deadline bc of how well we were playing and how u dont eant to lose the room. Well, now its the opposite. He is the old guard, time to hand the keys to the kids who are playing better than all the vets except panarin anyway.

 

[noncents]

I think its a bit strange you get on posters for being too critical, but then say you're fine with a leader of our team coasting until the playoffs. What tone does that set for the team?

Edit: I understand he's older and cant go full throttle the entire season, but at this point, coasting isnt acceptable.

i don't see how that's related? i'm not being critical of the team, i'm being accepting of their flaws.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

You can have a good PP without the best redirect man. It is possible. When u have fox, laff and panarin on the ice u shouldnt need to rely on a redirection for everything.

Make him the focal point of PP2.

Kreider gives you absolutely zero playmaking whatsoever from the goal line. Two of the best PPs in the league this season (VGK/WPG) utilize the net front guy for passing heavily. Mika also creates nothing for himself or anyone else so that’s two key positions where nothing starts.

Here’s the final shift of the game for anyone who’s interested: