Roster Building Thread - Part XII

[jniklast]

For Jarvis to get more, this was what the Hurricanes had to do. For Igor, well, he's a UFA and he doesn't have to do anything like that. So 16m differed is quite a lot to ask for. Are you deferring this several years?

Also, "

• The compensation needs to be tied to a season in the contract when it is earned. A portion of the contract cannot be just generally deferred; it needs to be a portion of the payment earned during a specific season that is deferred."

I'm not sure how you want to structure it. But let's just say you defer 8m from season 1 to be paid in year 9, you're looking at really only a 600-700ish cap saving per season. You can alter that with bonuses, but I don't think you're going to be able to get 16m deferred with total cap savings.

And due to inflation deferring is effectively taking a pay cut. So in the end there might not be a big difference between deferring and just taking a small pay cut for the player. In any case he'd have to be willing to do it.

 

[kinger8998]

I wouldn't go a cent over $11M for Igor. Take your 8x11 for $88M or get out of town. We'll sign someone else for 6 and take the 5 to shore up other roster spots.

We've been blessed with fantastic goaltending for many years now. Maybe to our own detriment where they hide fatal flaws within our core and team. By hiding them, we hope Igor can win a Cup for us, and they never get addressed.

We did the same think with Hank (god love and bless him, my favorite Ranger of all time), but we cannot fall into the same trap again

 

[LORDE]

honestly has there ever been a more poorly managed team in nhl history? never seen anything more incompetent than keeping pretty much the entire roster that won a presidents trophy and lost out in the conference finals together for another season. i mean sure if you had a handful of young guys still capable of taking significant steps forward that might be the difference you could justify it but it's not like they have any players who might fit that description

If the goal is to be a good regular season team, then yes, this is a good way to go about it.

If you want to win a cup, it isn't.

Cap wise & NTC wise we don't have a choice, I said that in my post.

While we may have some younger guys who MAY takes steps (debatable) we also have some aging "vets" who have just as much of a chance of regressing, like our #1 center for example.

 

[deathb4disco]

Agreed.

I'd like to proceed based on how this season goes. There's going to be some heavy furniture moved next summer either way.

I'm also not worried about Kakko. Didn't he come into the preseason looking like gangbusters last year and then fall back to earth anyway during the season?

Laf looked horrible last preseason, and had a monster year, it's one game hopefully he figures it out

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Yes. He leaves himself open too much.

He needs to chip and chase so he can be the hunter not the hunted. Players stand him up at the line a lot.

 

[bernmeister]

Goalies aren't worth much in trades in the cap era.

If we offered Adam Fox, 31 teams pick up the phone.

If Igor is on the block, there's like 2 or 3 teams that are going to be willing/able to pay the price.

Because you can only have one starter, either most teams with a starter wouldn't be in the market, or they would have to send that starter back because of the cap. We would end up trading Igor for a worse goalie and a small add.

I would rather let him walk and go cheap in goal.

You are not wrong about the bold [disagree otherwise] BUT
bottom line is yr comment is moot.
Sure max # of suitors drives up return to its highest, theoretically, but we only need 1 who will give ballpark what we want for a deal to make sense.

We can not have all the toys money can buy all the time due to cap.
The best we can do is be smart about constantly acquiring, and then repurposing young talent, and when we get a high end guy like this, flip him for top dollar or closest to.

There is value to recovering cap but that is vs letting talent -> production walk.
Each situation dif
no monolith

Also, it would be crazy stupid to deal Garand since his value is not established and based on upside.
Smart move is deal Shesty, insert Garand

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Am open to consider other scenarios, but TML = a fit.
They can't give their base more of the same.
Nylander ++ for Shesty + Zib + = high risk, but it gives them dif maker in net and w/Matthews, at C.

Nylander is also a gamble but on paper we flip Zib's better physical + big contract for Nyl scoring.

 

[CLW]

Yes. He leaves himself open too much.

People praised Fil for his performance in the first pre-season game... but he looked like the same old Fil with blinders to me. He'll get blown up at some point again. He can skate and shoot but he just goes up the ice with his head down and is not really aware of what is happening around him.

 

[Takeahnase]

I have never really considered myself as a fan what we call in soccer a “happy clapper”, but some of the misery guts takes some of you have after the season we had last year just because we didn’t get it over the line is wild.

You didn’t take any joy from anything last year? It’s wild.

You know that scene in Talladega Nights (if you ain’t first yer last) is comedy, right?

 

[Boris Zubov]

1984...found it in the basement...Shoot the puck Barry Shoot the puck

Red Seats suck!

Awesome pic. I went to my first game at MSG right around this time. The Garden sure has evolved over the years. Remember that crazy glass set up they had in the corners? Looked like windows in an office building.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

If Igor won't take 10, then I support his decision to take 12.5 in Ottawa.

2.5M is literally peanuts when the cap is 100M in 2 years. So not sure why you are ok with 10M but not 12M.

I’ll keep the elite goalie over 2M quite easily.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I wouldn't go a cent over $11M for Igor. Take your 8x11 for $88M or get out of town. We'll sign someone else for 6 and take the 5 to shore up other roster spots.

We've been blessed with fantastic goaltending for many years now. Maybe to our own detriment where they hide fatal flaws within our core and team. By hiding them, we hope Igor can win a Cup for us, and they never get addressed.

We did the same think with Hank (god love and bless him, my favorite Ranger of all time), but we cannot fall into the same trap again

Can you tell us who we are signing for 6M?

And how we are using a whole 5M to shore up the roster.

 

[JimmyG89]

2.5M is literally peanuts when the cap is 100M in 2 years. So not sure why you are ok with 10M but not 12M.

I’ll keep the elite goalie over 2M quite easily.

On top of this, I'd expect expansion during the front part of the deal, which means they can dump money in other ways too.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Takeaway for me this preseason so far- everyone wants to talk about Rempe this Rempe that, he skated so much over the summer, yada yada.

Watch the actual hockey. Edstrom is the guy who's made the real transformation here.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I'm out on Othmann.

He's the first on the list to be dealt in a package for an established player.

Edstrom, Rempe, and Berard are all outplaying him to me.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Takeaway for me this preseason so far- everyone wants to talk about Rempe this Rempe that, he skated so much over the summer, yada yada.

Watch the actual hockey. Edstrom is the guy who's made the real transformation here.

Rempe looked good too?

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

I'm out on Othmann.

He's the first on the list to be dealt in a package for an established player.

Edstrom, Rempe, and Berard are all outplaying him to me.

He did last season too but the refused to keep him up

 

[Cmox]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1838759485109674333

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Rempe looked good too?

I think Rempe looked just fine. Point is - I have seen much more of a transformation in Edstroms game. I think he's played really well.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I'm out on Othmann.

He's the first on the list to be dealt in a package for an established player.

Edstrom, Rempe, and Berard are all outplaying him to me.

Berard wasn’t any better than him tonight.

 

[Kords]

Edstrom looks and plays like a Hockey player. Rempe looks like a giraffe on speed and plays like a psycho but somehow makes great plays. He was excellent defensively tonight, had a few good looks and one elite pass behind the net to the slot. Both are great to have.

 

[maris]

Death taxs and Ranger fans in love with their goalie

{ wonder what the market is for Igor. I rather the Rangers take that chance because I dont trust goalies and dont think hes worth the money. He is not Roy , Hasek or Dryden.

 

[TGWL]

Berard wasn’t any better than him tonight.

Othmann's biggest flaw tonight was too many unnecessary turnovers. I'm not sure if he think he has to make a noticeable play or just doesn't think, but his passes were offer and he made way too many wrong decisions when the puck touched his blade.

 

[bhamill]

I'm out on Othmann.

He's the first on the list to be dealt in a package for an established player.

Edstrom, Rempe, and Berard are all outplaying him to me.

Othmann is of course also the youngest of the bunch… you think Edstrom looked this good two years ago? And Berard didn’t outplay him tonight IMO.

I see Othmann in a couple of years as something we’ve been short of for ages: middle six forward that can put the puck in the net and plays a mean physical game.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Igor Shesterkin’s deadline for record contract with Rangers is nothing to fret over

This may represent an attempt by Shesterkin’s party to create additional leverage, but in reality this changes nothing.

nypost.com

Great article by Brooks, agree with this 100%.

 

[n8]

I'm out on Othmann.

He's the first on the list to be dealt in a package for an established player.

Edstrom, Rempe, and Berard are all outplaying him to me.

Boy did he prove them naysayers, wrong. Well I guess he barely had any when he first made that statement but now that he actually has naysayers, maybe he can prove us wrong in the last batch of games.