Roster Building Thread - Part XII (Season starts 10/9 @ 7:30 pm)

[RangersFan1994]

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

so is Vito starting on wednesday or what

 

[kovazub94]

I don’t see Laviolette moving Rempe freely between NY and Hartford. It would be a shame if it happens to Edstrom.

Vesey’s is probably not of the organization beyond this year when both giants will become bona fide full-timers. Not a big deal.

 

[bernmeister]

Congratulations your strategy has now yielded one of the worst teams in the league since you will just never sign or extend any top players.

false narrative
sure it is a dealbreaker for some
but for others max $$$$, intangibles are mo important

and my way = mo cap flexibility

 

[bernmeister]

Having Edstrom and Rempe freely moving between Hartford and NY is a benefit to take advantage of. Vesey is still a better player than the former two and he’s a type of depth GMs are looking for at TDL so I don’t have a problem with numbers game forcing some “demotion” decisions.

hell no

 

[SA16]

false narrative
sure it is a dealbreaker for some
but for others max $$$$, intangibles are mo important

and my way = mo cap flexibility

Every player in the league with a salary of $10M or greater has a full NMC. Most of them have it for the full contract (or as soon as possible if they signed before UFA years). A few have it switching to partial in the last couple of years.

More specifically, your way = wrong.

 

[GAGLine]

so is Vito starting on wednesday or what

My guess is that he'll sub in for Lindgren. Ruhwedel is the only other possibility. Maybe they throw him a bone because he spent so many years in Pittsburgh, but I'm not sure if he's comfortable playing the left side.

 

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[The Crypto Guy]

So did boston, nashville and winnepeg consider that this year. And they signed their goalies to reasonable contracts. So should we.

What shesty wants is not reasonable or wise

Igor has played almost 2x as many games as Swayman…a guy who has had split workloads his entire career, never been a true starting goalie, but that 8.25 x 8 is reasonable to you?

Saros is not at the same level as Igor and will be 38 when his contract expires, and judging by his stats, his peak years are behind him, that could look like a nightmare in 3 years.

Hellebuyck signed a nice team friendly contract at the time.

 

[eco's bones]

Never got a chance at all. Vegas stole a guy today.

He's put up pretty good numbers in the AHL last year so he might do fairly well but guys who put up good AHL numbers aren't always able to put up much in the NHL as well a lot also depends on opportunity and with deeper teams those opportunities don't always come along.

 

[TominNC]

Yes.

It's time to stop hoping and build a team that just does.

You're always hoping. That's the nature of sports and fandom. Nothing is guaranteed.

 

[Profet]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1843359886945726948

Nice to have the flexibility I guess.

 

[Ruggs225]

Igor has played almost 2x as many games as Swayman…a guy who has had split workloads his entire career, never been a true starting goalie, but that 8.25 x 8 is reasonable to you?

Saros is not at the same level as Igor and will be 38 when his contract expires, and judging by his stats, his peak years are behind him, that could look like a nightmare in 3 years.

Hellebuyck signed a nice team friendly contract at the time.

For swayman your are paying for potential. He could be a steal. He is only 25.

Saros isnt as good as shesty. But shesty isnt 50% better either. Also if shesty signs an 8 year deal he would be 38 when it ends too. Because he and Saros are born the same year!

why cant Shesty take a team friendly deal like Helly. Why must we not just overpay, but massively overpay.

In no world is Shesty that much better than these goalies that his contract should be worth 50% more.

going back to Draistatl. He is $14m starting next year. mcDavid is the best player in the league. Which contract would u rather, Drai at $14 or McDavid at $21m?

Give me Helle, Swayman or Saros at their cheaper cap hit than Shesty any day of the week. Its a no brainer decision.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

The one factor with Vesey that we shouldn’t overlook is his “ability” to slide up and down the lineup. He’s another warm body for that top wing spot when Smith and Kakko fail.

 

[bhamill]

You don't believe that every NHL team has tons of video of every other team?

You make it sound like a team comes into town and is shocked at the tendencies of their opponent. That's a comical take.

That’s not what I implied AT ALL. You don’t believe it’s easier to counter a particular power play when you ONLY have to concentrate on that one powerplay for a week or two instead of five or six different ones? Really? Also, seeing video of something and actually competing against something are not near the same thing. Plus that was only one of four reasons I gave.

 

[BBKers]

I thought Smith always looked very good in Vegas. He had an Awful camp. We Will see soon enough what he’s made of. Are the Twins turning into Triplets?

 

[Kupo]

NO, per bern NO MO NMCs TO ANYBODY FOR ANY REASON, PERIOD
will consider extensive ntcs on isolated case by case basis

not good enuf for Shesty TRADE HIM NOW

I’m not a fan of NTC’s Bern. But I’m a realist.

If you want to be firm on having no NTC’s then you’re not signing or retaining star/exceptional talent. No talented veteran player is signing a longterm contract without some protection. You yourself wouldn’t.

If you’re a GM who’s going to try and “EA” himself to building a championship team, by using players and repeatedly pawning them off for max gains, then nobody is going to want to sign with you. And you won’t ever win a Cup. You’ll get a reputation. Veteran players have families. They want security.

The problem isn’t NTC’s. They’re appropriate for certain players. Nobody here is bitching about Fox’s NTC. The problem is giving those clauses to guys that you may not want for their entire contract. Those are obvious. The Goodrow’s, for example.

Zibanejad? We all bitched when we saw that contract. Kreiders? Not so much. Trouba’s? Sure, but we didn’t have Fox then, nor did we know that Covid was going to castrate the cap.

11X6 is my ideal, realistic offer for Shesty. With a full NMC. That takes him to 36. If he wants more money or years, then I’m playing hardball on the terms of the NMC.

8 years 90~95M with a limited NTC after a few seasons is my guess on what will actually happen. It’ll suck. But this is the Rangers way of doing shit.

 

[Vitto79]

The cap is annoying . Day 1 rosters just to space reasons is annoying lol

 

[bernmeister]

Every player in the league with a salary of $10M or greater has a full NMC. Most of them have it for the full contract (or as soon as possible if they signed before UFA years). A few have it switching to partial in the last couple of years.

More specifically, your way = wrong.

If we don't fight/push back, this practice will continue to work vs flexibility, which hurts fans

I am pro player wherever possible but not on this

You describe what is, I say what should be.
NOT WRONG

 

[bernmeister]

The one factor with Vesey that we shouldn’t overlook is his “ability” to slide up and down the lineup. He’s another warm body for that top wing spot when Smith and Kakko fail.

Should stop looking at Vesey altogether and deal him now

 

[GAGLine]

If we don't fight/push back, this practice will continue to work vs flexibility, which hurts fans

I am pro player wherever possible but not on this

You describe what is, I say what should be.
NOT WRONG

It doesn't matter what you think should be. The players bargained for the movement clauses and aren't going to give them up without a fight.

 

[bernmeister]

I’m not a fan of NTC’s Bern. But I’m a realist.

If you want to be firm on having no NTC’s then you’re not signing or retaining star/exceptional talent. No talented veteran player is signing a longterm contract without some protection. You yourself wouldn’t.

If you’re a GM who’s going to try and “EA” himself to building a championship team, by using players and repeatedly pawning them off for max gains, then nobody is going to want to sign with you. And you won’t ever win a Cup. You’ll get a reputation. Veteran players have families. They want security.

The problem isn’t NTC’s. They’re appropriate for certain players. Nobody here is bitching about Fox’s NTC. The problem is giving those clauses to guys that you may not want for their entire contract. Those are obvious. The Goodrow’s, for example.

Zibanejad? We all bitched when we saw that contract. Kreiders? Not so much. Trouba’s? Sure, but we didn’t have Fox then, nor did we know that Covid was going to castrate the cap.

11X6 is my ideal, realistic offer for Shesty. With a full NMC. That takes him to 36. If he wants more money or years, then I’m playing hardball on the terms of the NMC.

8 years 90~95M with a limited NTC after a few seasons is my guess on what will actually happen. It’ll suck. But this is the Rangers way of doing shit.

unfortunately, your assessment is more likely to be real than not
HOWEV
if we are gonna be full honest, recognize:
- if we don't exhibit leadership and hold the line here, we are surrendering to that outcome. always.
no, gotta stop.
maybe if we show some balls, other clubs will too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

- other legit pt is we do not need to sign each and every desirable FA, especially if we do what we are supposed to at sq 1 and draft/develop properly
upwards of 10 or so top FAs
we signing them all?
no
only need to get 1 or 2 to join
that's only 1-2 who prefer mo $ instead of nmc

 

[McRanger92]

Big year for Panarin, Trouba and Kreider (and by extension Mika but hes not going anywhere). I think Drury is itching to cut bait on these guys and another disappointing end pretty much gives him leave to do whatever he wants with them next summer. I've seen some people say they want or think we need another rebuild too. My advice? Seek professional help.

The entire team is under the age of 25 outside of the guys making big money, and the guys making big money are movable this summer. They have to pay Igor. There is no viable replacement in house (Garand is a long term backup), you just hope he doesn't completely rake the team on the contract because he will become a villain if he doesn't get us a Cup.

 

[bernmeister]

It doesn't matter what you think should be. The players bargained for the movement clauses and aren't going to give them up without a fight.

yes, it doesn't matter what I think it should be to extent that doesn't override what has been bargained.
Howev
movement clauses are not automatic entitlement, boilerplate in every deal; it's just that it's legal for players to negotiate to add that into their contract

What I think should be IS relevant to the extent we need to start building pushback, so when the next CBA is due, it will not get in/get in to extent as they are now

 

[eco's bones]

When the cap starts being an issue you start bleeding players. It's what happened to Hagelin. It's what happened to Buch. It's what's going to happen to Trouba and Lindgren. At least this time we'll pretty much know where it'll start.

You can say you'd rather Swayman instead but the Bruins aren't going to trade us their top goalie. We might be able to work a deal for Hellebuyck but it'll cost us a lot in players/prospects/picks to get him. The question is whether you want Igor to go to full free agency with no real plan of who is going to be your next starting goalie except pot luck.