Roster Building Thread - Part XII (Season starts 10/9 @ 7:30 pm)

[Shesterkybomb]

Sadly it's likely to be Ruhwedal, I don't know what they see in him really

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Promise me to not create threads and I will leave you be in peace - or rather you will let me be in peace.

2ed

 

[bernmeister]

Agreed and I would trade Othmann. I just don’t see it and would trade him while you can get value. Seems like best case he’s an offensive somewhat physical middle 6 winger. Can always sign those guys as free agents and there are guys like Berard and Sykora in the system who project as similar players who are better defensively. Get a late 1st like they did for Nils Lundkvist or a 2nd if not.

Still holding out hope for Kakko. Floor is a 40 point defensively strong winger as he demonstrated 2 years ago and there’s still potential for a much better player. It’s worth the risk for the upside and if he doesn’t get any better let him walk as an rfa or ufa in the next two years.

Let's not overreact
As always, if too much on the table to turn down, pull the trigger

And you know I am a champion of getting creative
but same time
let's not try to force something if not there

I'd take Othmann over Kakko. Kakko is useless. Big body that plays soft passive and often injured. Lets keep him cause he was the 2ed overall pick. Othmann at least plays with intensity and is a better skater than Kakko. Othmann will learn. Othmann reminds me of Ryan Hartman in my opinion. Kakko is what he is, a bust considered where he was drafted. Kakko just reminds me of Pat Faloon and Dave Chyzowski 2ed overall busts

your hate for KK remains obv.
It is misplaced
Now is the time to max KK upside w/correct chemistry fits
prepare for no bread around the corner
jettison Vesey now

 

[MrAlmost]

If I've been paying attention, that leaves:

Panarin(Inj)-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Z-Smith
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Ed-Carrick-Rempe
Vesey(Inj)-Brod-Berard

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Mancini-Schneider
Robertson-Ruhwedel
Lindgren(Inj)

Igor
Quick

I'd waive Ruhwedel. You will lose Robertson to waivers. Don't make that mistake again and he didn't look any worse than Ruhwedel in his time. Might have even been better. If this team wants to be taken seriously, then when players show you they are ready, you make it work.

Trade Lindgren. Package him with Kakko or not. Either way. Trade him.

The forwards are more interesting. I imagine Berard goes down. He can skate and he is tenacious, but I don't know if he was good enough to take anyone else's spot. Even if they do something interesting and outside the box for once in this boring franchises existence like trade Kakko and Lindgren, I still don't think he makes it cause they still have Vesey and Brod and Berard is waiver exempt.

I don't know if this team will be good. I know on paper they should be great, but seeing them get caved in by the Islanders AGAIN was not reassuring that they worked on 5v5 at all. Or that the players are willing to do what it takes to be good 5v5.

However, it was still preseason so not important. There is still time. Haha.

Also, I would like to mention again that I hate that this team keeps so many f***ing players in camp for so long. Could have had this list of players down after game 3.

 

[bernmeister]

wait so we should have patience with Othmann even though our patience with Kakko was wrong? what the hell is this

concur
The poster has a right to his opinion, even if it is seriously wrong
He also has an obligation to defend, with intellectual gravitas, his remarks

Othmann is an unfinished product who is being overrated to be quick fix to someone's mistaken obsession with instant gratification

Kakko deserves some blame for not advancing faster, but in totality of circumstances -- injury, club not meshing with comp linemates after LaF promotion from kid line, etc -- he is fine, still w/upside

reasonable hope he produces better w/Chytil + Cuylle
Constant line shuffling not helpful

and again, bend buckle and break to the reality no bread here in 2 yrs if not before
given that, it is stupid to sell KK short

Mancini has been a pleasant surprise thus far tbh.
It seems like Berard and Edstrom will both be left standing on the big club as well when the dust settles.

Othmann wasn’t bad, but wasn’t good enough to set himself apart from the rest. Hopefully another 1/2 or Full season in the A does good things for his development

Berard should go down, work on his weight training

Rangers currently have 15 forwards and 10 defensemen. They need to cut 1-2 forwards and 2-3 defensemen. Forwards include Berard, Brodzinski, and Edstrom (excluding Carrick and Rempe who I think are locks to make it). Defensemen include Robertson, Mancini, Mackey, and Ruhwedel.

need to cut 1-2 forwards
trade Vesey
demote Berard

and 2-3 defensemen
Mackey and Ruh can both go down
We should be focused on trading Lindgren while he still has value

 

[chosen]

Pp in the playoffs is harder because it's not just one game on the road to another team. Teams scout your pp for the series and continue to adjust to what you are doing until they find what works, sometimes they just copy what worked against it in the previous series, if you aren't adjusting as well you may as well fold the tent on the pp. That's why Tampa's pp was so deadly, they had a shooter on both sides that could also thread a pass, hedman or sergachev on the point firing pucks at the net and the willingness to drive the net when it comes from the point. I continually say it, it's obvious we are trying to work it to the left side of the ice because we have no left handed shooter on the right side. Our current iteration of the pp is most dangerous when Panarin is walking in with a shot from time to time and Fox is wristing junk at the net for tips, but that doesn't happen near enough

If everyone knows exactly what the Rangers PP is, why can't they stop it during the regular season?

If I've been paying attention, that leaves:

Panarin(Inj)-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Z-Smith
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Ed-Carrick-Rempe
Vesey(Inj)-Brod-Berard

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Mancini-Schneider
Robertson-Ruhwedel
Lindgren(Inj)

Igor
Quick

I'd waive Ruhwedel. You will lose Robertson to waivers. Don't make that mistake again and he didn't look any worse than Ruhwedel in his time. Might have even been better. If this team wants to be taken seriously, then when players show you they are ready, you make it work.

Trade Lindgren. Package him with Kakko or not. Either way. Trade him.

The forwards are more interesting. I imagine Berard goes down. He can skate and he is tenacious, but I don't know if he was good enough to take anyone else's spot. Even if they do something interesting and outside the box for once in this boring franchises existence like trade Kakko and Lindgren, I still don't think he makes it cause they still have Vesey and Brod and Berard is waiver exempt.

I don't know if this team will be good. I know on paper they should be great, but seeing them get caved in by the Islanders AGAIN was not reassuring that they worked on 5v5 at all. Or that the players are willing to do what it takes to be good 5v5.

However, it was still preseason so not important. There is still time. Haha.

Also, I would like to mention again that I hate that this team keeps so many f***ing players in camp for so long. Could have had this list of players down after game 3.

Robertson has been regressing in Hartford per the posters here who watch him often. How does that translate to him looking like a possible asset?

 

[TominNC]

We'll be paying him near double what he is on, why are we excluding that extra massive hit against the cap.

I know exactly the situation, and effectively replacing Trouba's contract with a larger one, how are we planning on improving the team with other existing RFAs to sign. I also know we'll be adding said additional mammoth contract and ushering in another era of a flawed team being bailed out by a goaltender as our most 'important' player. And that is only if he goes on to have anything remotely close to the career of Hank. Far from assured.

There’s still a net savings losing Trouba and including just Igor’s increase.

 

[IDvsEGO]

If I've been paying attention, that leaves:

Panarin(Inj)-Tro-Laf
Kreider-Z-Smith
Cuylle-Chytil-Kakko
Ed-Carrick-Rempe
Vesey(Inj)-Brod-Berard

Miller-Fox
Jones-Trouba
Mancini-Schneider
Robertson-Ruhwedel
Lindgren(Inj)

Igor
Quick

I'd waive Ruhwedel. You will lose Robertson to waivers. Don't make that mistake again and he didn't look any worse than Ruhwedel in his time. Might have even been better. If this team wants to be taken seriously, then when players show you they are ready, you make it work.

Trade Lindgren. Package him with Kakko or not. Either way. Trade him.

The forwards are more interesting. I imagine Berard goes down. He can skate and he is tenacious, but I don't know if he was good enough to take anyone else's spot. Even if they do something interesting and outside the box for once in this boring franchises existence like trade Kakko and Lindgren, I still don't think he makes it cause they still have Vesey and Brod and Berard is waiver exempt.

I don't know if this team will be good. I know on paper they should be great, but seeing them get caved in by the Islanders AGAIN was not reassuring that they worked on 5v5 at all. Or that the players are willing to do what it takes to be good 5v5.

However, it was still preseason so not important. There is still time. Haha.

Also, I would like to mention again that I hate that this team keeps so many f***ing players in camp for so long. Could have had this list of players down after game 3.

so let me understand this logic.
Berard isn't good enough to take anyones spot, but lets move kakko and play berard because its "out of the box".

For all the hate this board has for Kakko, replacing him is harder than anyone realizes. He's a plus defender AND when healthy puts up about .5 points per game in 15 minutes of ice time at 5v5.
Thats 5v5 offense (which is our weakness)
And his cap hit is under 3m.

Name a single player in the NHL who does all 3 things with a smaller cap hit?

You want to move lindgren because Mancini had a great camp and looks ready? I agree that he looked ready, but you know whats even better? Giving him one more full season in the NHL coming in and playing his natural side when we move Trouba. Sheltering him properly.

I also think Lindgren might not be as washed as people think. He was a plus defender for multiple years, and while his style puts time on the body, he's not 30+. I could see him having a bounce back year.

Also for anyone who gives a crap about losing to the islanders, its pre-season. Last year at the end of the preseason EVERYONE on the board was screaming to move laf. Howd that turn out?
The players who have spots are mostly just ensuring they don't get hurt, and I'm 100% fine with that.

 

[Daves a mess]

Sorry.
NOT paying Igor 12-12.5 x 8 when Swayman just got 8.2×8.

10.5 x 8 is as HIGH as I go.

Not a red cent more.

 

[IDvsEGO]

There’s still a net savings losing Trouba and including just Igor’s increase.

if igor was our only player to extend yes.
we have Laf/Key/Kakko (maybe)/Jones

Laf is either getting a 1 year deal for 5+ and then panarins cap hit goes to him the following year, or we're giving him 8x10. Laf is the bigger priority over shesty and its not even close.

Key is probably asking for 8, I'd like to see him settle for 6.5-7.

Jones should get 4x4.

Kakko is the question mark. I could see us getting really lucky, and locking him for 8x5 if he gets hot fast and he wants to stay, and exploding, or us just moving him. Theres really no in between. He either has a great year, and we're forced to lock him up, or we move his RFA rights. No matter what he is an NHL player, and some team will take a shot on him.