Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[UnSandvich]

I’m pretty sure they’ve been analytically like the best pair in the league when together

At the very least they were the best pair on the PK with more than 100 mins played each

 

[Black Tank]

As I said, it's a feeling -- something just doesn't sit right with me with that pairing. Most likely based somewhat on his not using his size and his annoying habit of poke/stick checking everyone.

Miller's stick checking is at the very, very top echelon of the entire league. To give that up to get an extra hit in will lead to many more goals against.

 

[TGWL]

Oh joy -- just what we need.

I would rather see him fail that 100 times than make some turn-over play over the blue line from fear of being touched.

 

[TGWL]

I feel like kids have been doing this move for ages. Just no one at the pro-level has the balls to try it. Coach would bench you for trying if you failed.

Speed of game.
It's obviously a lot harder from the following.
Skating faster.
Tired
Wet gloves
Pressure from back-checking player
pressure from not wasting an opportunity to score.
Ice quality.
And there's the thing you mentioned with the coach sitting your ass if you look dumb doing it.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Miller's stick checking is at the very, very top echelon of the entire league. To give that up to get an extra hit in will lead to many more goals against.

We don't even need to imagine this, just look at how Trouba plays always going for that hit and how many times it's cost us (including on the goal that sunk us in our last game of the year).

 

[majordomo]

I would rather see him fail that 100 times than make some turn-over play over the blue line from fear of being touched.

There is that.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

If Brodzinski were put on waivers I doubt he'd be claimed. If he were, it would open up a spot for one of the kids, which would be fine by me.

I don't really get this approach when we've seen what a shit bottom 6 does to teams in prior years. We don't have players beating down the door at the center position. Having NHL quality depth is not "replacement level" especially for a team that's trying to contend.

Last year, when Brodzinski stepped in for long stretches, the team barely missed a beat. He's not only able to chip in offensively (19 points in 57 games is pretty damn good for a 4th liner), but he's also decent on faceoffs and defensively responsible. We don't have anyone on the Pack who is even close to him.

Brodzinski is a valuable luxury to have. He's signed to the lowest cap hit, fully accepts his role and isn't looking for anything more from another team. I'm not sure why people continue to dismiss him as borderline worthless, especially after what how he stepped up last season.

IMO the only ones who continue to undervalue his use are those expecting some crazy production from a role that's generally filled by guys who can barely skate.

 

[Mikachu93]

If he still is unsigned this time next month, I'd offer Tyler Johnson a PTO. He still put up 17 goals in bottom 6 minutes on a horrific Chicago team. He can still play, brings cup winning pedigree, and would offer some insurance at the center ice position if Chytil goes down again.

Can do a lot worse for a 1 year, $1m gamble on a veteran player.

 

[TGWL]

19 points in 57 games looks good for a 4th line player, until you break that down to 11 points away from any top 6 player. Sure, we could do worse, but I don't need to see him ever force fed minutes in the top 6 again. Surprisingly Kakko had some chemistry with him.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

Brodzinski is a valuable luxury to have. He's signed to the lowest cap hit, fully accepts his role and isn't looking for anything more from another team. I'm not sure why people continue to dismiss him as borderline worthless, especially after what how he stepped up last season.

The Law of NYR states that there must be one 4th liner at all times that is objectively good at that role who everyone hates for no apparent reason. Then another 4th liner who completely sucks at everything that people think is good because the team is choosing to use them a lot. This player also can be playing above 4th line

 

[Profet]

I don't really get this approach when we've seen what a shit bottom 6 does to teams in prior years. We don't have players beating down the door at the center position. Having NHL quality depth is not "replacement level" especially for a team that's trying to contend.

Last year, when Brodzinski stepped in for long stretches, the team barely missed a beat. He's not only able to chip in offensively (19 points in 57 games is pretty damn good for a 4th liner), but he's also decent on faceoffs and defensively responsible. We don't have anyone on the Pack who is even close to him.

Brodzinski is a valuable luxury to have. He's signed to the lowest cap hit, fully accepts his role and isn't looking for anything more from another team. I'm not sure why people continue to dismiss him as borderline worthless, especially after what how he stepped up last season.

IMO the only ones who continue to undervalue his use are those expecting some crazy production from a role that's generally filled by guys who can barely skate.

Brodzinski is a bottom six guy who can't kill penalties. The Rangers tried a couple of seasons ago, he's just not adept at it.

So yeah... a bottom six center who doesn't kill penalties. He's a tweener... probably too good for the AHL and not good enough or adaptable enough for the NHL.

As a 13th forward? Sure.
As a short term injury replacement for a middle sixer? Sure
As a full time NHLer? ehh........

 

[Riche16]

Going after Trouba in all context of when it happened made perfect sense and I’m not going to hold it against the FO for doing it.

People forget how barren our system was at the time... especially defensively.

The only prob with the Trouba deal is that he rapidly deteriorated & the clauses we hand out like candy.

 

[Lion Hound]

Wonder if the Rangers will PTO any of the remaining UFA’s for camp.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Just saw a surprising stat. I never would have guessed #2, #4 and #6 were so high in the all time NYR empty net goals. They are above some really big names.

Empty Net Goal Leaders New York Rangers | StatMuse

Artemi Panarin has scored the most career goals against empty nets for the Rangers, with 13 goals.

www.statmuse.com

 

[Profet]

Just saw a surprising stat. I never would have guessed #2, #4 and #6 were so high in the all time NYR empty net goals. They are above some really big names.

Empty Net Goal Leaders New York Rangers | StatMuse

Artemi Panarin has scored the most career goals against empty nets for the Rangers, with 13 goals.

www.statmuse.com

#2 was the king of ENG... That was like the only time he scored.

 

[NickyFotiu]

#2 was the king of ENG... That was like the only time he scored.

I wish we had his speed back. We had some real speed demons for a few years on offense and defense.

 

[TGWL]

Just saw a surprising stat. I never would have guessed #2, #4 and #6 were so high in the all time NYR empty net goals. They are above some really big names.

Empty Net Goal Leaders New York Rangers | StatMuse

Artemi Panarin has scored the most career goals against empty nets for the Rangers, with 13 goals.

www.statmuse.com

Strome was great at hitting an empty net, unless the net was empty with the goalie still on the rink...

 

[noncents]

I wish we had his speed back. We had some real speed demons for a few years on offense and defense.

haven't looked.. grabner?

 

[NickyFotiu]

haven't looked.. grabner?

He was one. Hags is another.

 

[noncents]

He was one. Hags is another.

just remember grabs scored probably 65% of his goals on empty nets one year

 

[eco's bones]

Grabner was very good defensively. He could really skate. Most of his goals were breakaways and empty nets. I don't particularly look at empty net goals as free ones. Sometimes they're kind of like that but not always. A player is out on the ice in those situations to protect leads to close out games. That guy has got to be trusted to play under (sometimes great) pressure and possibly for an extended shift towards the end of the game when he may be kind of gassed and against the other teams best players in a shorthanded situation and not do stupid or selfish shit and may even have to block two/three shots. It's important to have guys who are good at that.

 

[RangersFan1994]

 

[TGWL]

That doesn't feel like 11 years ago.

 

[Mikachu93]

That doesn't feel like 11 years ago.

Because it wasn't. It was 12 years ago

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Could’ve had Kirby Rychel smh