Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Overcast]

The difference is other skills are hockey skills that help teams win games not sideshow acts. That hour (or week with Laraque?) could be better spent doing other things. A good first step would be to work on being able to turn quicker than an 18 wheeler.

This might be a stretch on my part, but perhaps he's using other hours of the day (or even throughout a week, or even the rest of the off-season) on other skills that have been targeted. I don't think he's some bumbling idiot that only knows "FIST. HAMMER. PUNCH." that everyone seems to think.

Social media really does rot the brain to believe that what is posted is ALL that is being worked/focused on.

 

[McRanger92]

Some people really hate Rempe, eh? I find that odd.

 

[haohmaru]

Some people really hate Rempe, eh? I find that odd.

People? Yes. Rangers fans? I don’t get it.

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Some people really hate Rempe, eh? I find that odd.

And you find that surprising on this board?

 

[hardnosed]

He signed Smith and Carrick. The bottom 6 really doesn't need any more depth with a lot of internal guys on ELC's in the mix. I think we are better in that regard than last year tbh. It's also July 9 so they could still work out something to add to the D.

Carrick was a 3 year deal. Smith is not depth. Obviously they are counting on him, seeing what they paid for him. Last year we signed like 6,7 guys on one year deals in early free agency. Not one guy like that this year. Those type of guys don't hurt your cap. Can bury all their salary in Hartford if need be. My point is that there is zero risk with guys like that. Might as well take a couple shots in the dark.

 

[SeanAveryTheGreatOne]

Zib has earned a fair share of charity points on the PP

Kakko is a better player than Zib at this point tbh.

 

[kovazub94]

As stated, you have to pay for each state and make sure you meet all the requirements. Same for nurses.

The issue isn't that she's a Dr with a job she likes, it's that she's in her residency training. You apply for those and you're pretty much contracted for however many years the residency is. (Each specialty has their own). To switch in the middle is not easy as you have to apply to the new program and hope they have a spot open for you.

Between that and having a 6 month old baby, I understand why Trouba doesn't want to move.

I'm not close to this field but could she suspend her residency for a year or two and then re-enter? Might have been on the table regardless of the contract situation given a <1 yo baby.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

You hate the guy admit it. It's pretty obvious. 15 points in 16 games this year and 61 in 73 in his career is not nothing and you can cry about it forever for all I care. I don't bitch about players constantly in case you haven't noticed. I understand who Mika and Kreider were playing against. I also have said that the reason they lost was mainly because of the defense and getting pinned in their own zone for long stretches.

Yes, the defense being ass is reason #1. We're on the same page there. I think this team could have won that series (and the whole thing) with better players in place of Lindgren and Trouba even with the forwards being what they were this year.

15 in 16 is not great production for someone who just put up 120 in 82. I did the exercise above and showed how he suffers the most significant drop off in RS to PS production amongst players in the top 10 in league scoring since hes become a Ranger (this holds true no matter how far you want to go down the line. Being half a point per game worse in the playoffs is historically bad.) In raw PPG production in the playoffs....

He's 20th out of the top 20 RS producers.

28th out of the top 30 ahead of Josi, a defenseman and ancient ass Ovechkin.

35th out of the top 40 ahead of the aforementioned 2 along with Tavares, Fiala and Debrincat.

5 defensemen are top 40 in league scoring since Panarin joined the team, 4 of them (Makar, Fox, Hedman, Hughes) have higher PPG outputs than Panarin in the post season. Heiskanen isn't in the top 40, but I'm like 99% sure that he has too.

This is the 4th highest paid player in the league.

No one is pinning all of the teams problems on him but how is that even remotely acceptable?

People? Yes. Rangers fans? I don’t get it.

Hate is strong but he's incredibly overrated by a bunch of Ranger fans.

I understand being intrigued by the idea of what he can be but the truth is that he is far away from being that idea. As a hockey player and strictly as a hockey player by NHL standards, he, as of June 1st, was not a good one.

 

[kovazub94]

I’d rather him be putting time into his skating, but it’s his career

He can’t do both?

 

[PuckLuck3043]

Carrick was a 3 year deal. Smith is not depth. Obviously they are counting on him, seeing what they paid for him. Last year we signed like 6,7 guys on one year deals in early free agency. Not one guy like that this year. Those type of guys don't hurt your cap. Can bury all their salary in Hartford if need be. My point is that there is zero risk with guys like that. Might as well take a couple shots in the dark.

Thats because they didn't have any of Rempe, Edstrom, Berard, or Othmann likely fighting for spots last year. Those cheap FA signings still cost money and Bonino, Wheeler, and Pitlick basically sucked. They feel they have enough internally to fill those forward spots and I agree.

 

[Fitzy]

Some people really hate Rempe, eh? I find that odd.

I didn’t hate Stu Bickel or Boogaard but didn’t think k either should have spent substantial minutes in an NHL jersey

 

[Beer League Sniper]

He was. He can skate and does have some skill and seems willing to put the work in to get better. There is going to be competition for that 4th line spot though. It will be an interesting camp.

He needs to put in a ton of work improving his fast-twitch musculature. He has good straight-line speed. but his change of direction is incredibly slow. So much so that, despite his reach, it hampers him in the defensive zone.

Not at all unexpected for a kid his size and age, but still something he needs to work hard on if he wants to be an actual NHL-level player.

 

[Synergy27]

Who are the anybody who scored more points than Panarin over the last 5 years?
- McDavid
- Draisaitl
- MacKinnon
- Kucherov

That's it

Meanwhile, in the playoffs:

This is playoffs, all strengths since 20-21 with a minimum of 400 minutes TOI. He is #56 at 5v5.

He’s overpaid. Or I would rather be spending that money on any of a large number of other players.

 

[kovazub94]

Does that matter if he's paid more than he is worth? He could have left money on the table and still be overpaid.

Remember that we originally offered him about 11 mil, and it was only after Spooner was bought out by Vancouver, giving us an extra 600k in cap space which we added to the offer to Panarin, that he signed.

Whether he’s overpaid is a subjective personal view. Whether he signed at a discount is factual - Panarin did take lesser contract from the Rangers than what another team was offering.

 

[kovazub94]

I still don't understand why we haven't any of those 1 year, $900,000 type deals for depth. We don't have a 7D. We got a few guys in the top 6 that can be expected to miss games. Where's our depth and what are we waiting for? Every day I see a few of these types signing and we haven't done anything. This is the type of off season we expected last year but we found a way with the cheap contracts. Nothing this year.

Drury is still trying to figure out 1LD position (less likely but maybe and moving Trouba too).

 

[RangersFan1994]

Some people really hate Rempe, eh? I find that odd.

Most of those fans want a soft team that relies on the refs and powerplay, kinda what the Rangers do sadly

 

[Synergy27]

Why is Kylington still unsigned?

 

[NYR Viper]

Why is Kylington still unsigned?

I think he is the type of guy who is holding out for more money or term from someone. He likely has a couple of 1 year 'prove it' deals on the table but all it takes is for someone to have an injury in the offseason and someone will meet his demands.

Small note is that Brandon Scanlin needs to go through waivers this year. He has been one of the better Wolfpack defensemen over the last 2 years and he's 25. The team may have confidence in keeping him around as the 7th d-man.

In all honesty though, I probably would still go sign Ruhwedl as an inexpensive security blanket

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I personally think Rempe adds a lot to the team, once either he figures out how to hit without taking penalties or the refs F off then he'll be an nhl regular. A feared forecheck is something we haven't had since Prust and Boyle were here and the little Rempe played this year gave us that, unfortunately the nhl had a boner on for him and he couldn't play the way he needed to.

I think he is the type of guy who is holding out for more money or term from someone. He likely has a couple of 1 year 'prove it' deals on the table but all it takes is for someone to have an injury in the offseason and someone will meet his demands.

Small note is that Brandon Scanlin needs to go through waivers this year. He has been one of the better Wolfpack defensemen over the last 2 years and he's 25. The team may have confidence in keeping him around as the 7th d-man.

In all honesty though, I probably would still go sign Ruhwedl as an inexpensive security blanket

Ruhwedal sucks, you can't play him in the nhl, if you are signing him for the ahl fine.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Most of those fans want a soft team that relies on the refs and powerplay, kinda what the Rangers do sadly

I think most of those fans want someone who can do hockey things well enough to justify playing him.

None of his extra stuff matters if he can't play hockey well enough to take a regular shift at this level with out being a detriment. If the former doesn't change then he's a bad player with a tendency to take/get called for penalties. That isn't a winning combination.

 

[GAGLine]

The market determines if he is overpaid or not.

The market had bidders, more than one other party, willing to pay the man mote than what he signed for in NY.

The market CLEARLY established tjat him signing for 11.6 was in fact a discount and what he has done in 5 years here I'd argue from a production perspective, is unrivaled for the NYR's

If 11.6 is an underpayment because another team offered 13, then 13 must be fair value.

Given that definition, no one is overpaid.

The Rangers didn't offer him 11.6 when everybody else was offering 9. There were other teams willing to pay more. The FA market can be crazy. Just look at the contracts that were just dished out a week ago.

These things aren't mutually exclusive. Multiple teams are fully capable of offering a player more than he is worth.

If we compare Panarin and his salary to other players and their salaries, he is, in fact, overpaid.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I think most of those fans want someone who can do hockey things well enough to justify playing him.

None of his extra stuff matters if he can't play hockey well enough to take a regular shift at this level with out being a detriment. If the former doesn't change then he's a bad player with a tendency to take/get called for penalties. That isn't a winning combination.

He's not a bad player, he wasn't kept off the ice because he can't play hockey it's because the league had a hard on for him because he's big and skates well enough to seriously hurt someone on the forecheck. His ability to play a 4th line game isn't the issue, so no he doesn't suck. He unfortunately and stupidly has to slow his hits down because the nhl has different rules for different sizes, nobody complains when someone much smaller than him goes for a heavy skate on the forecheck, with him it's an issue, either the league f's off or he has to adjust.

 

[NYR Viper]

I personally think Rempe adds a lot to the team, once either he figures out how to hit without taking penalties or the refs F off then he'll be an nhl regular. A feared forecheck is something we haven't had since Prust and Boyle were here and the little Rempe played this year gave us that, unfortunately the nhl had a boner on for him and he couldn't play the way he needed to.



Ruhwedal sucks, you can't play him in the nhl, if you are signing him for the ahl fine.

Ruhwedhle wasn't bad for the Rangers last year in his short stint. He would be a 8/9 anyways

 

[NYR Viper]

The rangers want to be a more physical team. Rempe and Edstrom hit A LOT and neither are completely void of offensive talent AND when they hit, because of their size and mass, it actually matters.

Edstrom was tracking for 3 hits per game sin about 8:30 a game of TOI. That's immense.

Rempe, even after being escorted out of a few games, averaged 3 hits per game in 5:38 average TOI.

To put that in perspective Will Cuylle, who was a wrecking ball for much of the season, averaged ~3 hits per game in 11:08 average TOI per game.

It's entirely feasible for the Rangers to have (3) forwards break the 250 hit mark next season, assuming good health.

Garnet Hathaway, who is, IMO, one of the better bottom-6 physical forwards right now, had 326 hits which is absurd, which is ~4 hits per game but played 12:30 a game.

I am sure people will say 'hitting doesn't matter' and 'who cares?!?!' but I for one am excited at the opportunity fore this team to get back to being a more physical force

 

[bl02]

Very happy Drury didn't spend on late 20's/30's year old guys to fill out bottom 6. Wasn't happy with the Carrick deal at the time but I guess if he can be a decent 12/13 guy whatever.
Time for Berard/Edstrom to do that. I'm still not sold on Rempe but heck if he improves and finds a way into the bottom 6 great.