Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)

[Leonardo87]

Roster Building Thread - Part XI (Off-season edition)
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[egelband]

I’m expecting next to no big changes. They’re married to this core and they’ll keep building around it. Wennberg may come back. Roslovic most likely gone. Kakko will probably be back because he has no value. Kids will get chances. It’s gonna be another solid year and another outside shot at The Cup. If Baby Tkachuk is available I’m sure the rangers will make a big offer but like Eichel/Buffalo I doubt Ottawa trades him to NYC.

 

[Circus86]

 

[mrmovies779]

I don't expect any big moves because management is sadly delusional in thinking this is probably a Cup team with the right bounces...but they arent.Not with this defense that can't move the puck and a bottom 6 that can't score..not to mention half our top 6,if not more,disappear come big games in the playoffs

 

[noncents]

B Tkachuk/Trocheck/Lafreniere
Kreider/Zibanejad/Panarin
Othmann/Chytil/Kakko
Cuylle/Edstrom/Goodrow(or Berard)

Miller-Fox
Sanheim-Schneider
Jones-Roy

Igor
Quick



whaddya think

 

[CAPITALS PUNISHMENT]

I keep saying this - the core of Panarin, Mika, Fox, and Shesty are NOT anywhere near Messier, Leetch, Zubov, and Richter. Rangers management will probably think otherwise though.

The big question for me is what they will do with $12M in cap space. To me, signing Stamkos would be the missing piece. Whether TBL will let him go is another question. Sam Reinhart would be a good pick up as well, but he's not a center.

 

[SRHRangers]

It will be minor moves and ELCs in Othmann, Berard, etc coming up.

They have Igor and LaF both coming up the year after, and if the Rangers tie anymore long term AAV into their cap, LaF will be offer sheeted.

 

[Crease]

The Big 3 are on the wrong side of 30, with NTCs, and their ceiling is winning the second round. Drury is in a tough spot, partly due to the prior regime and partly due to his own making.

There’s an opportunity to overhaul the defense, and he will start there, but the real magic will happen if Drury can move some of Panarin, Zibanejad, Kreider, or at least push them down the lineup with better forwards. You can’t win playoff games on the PP or from outside the slot.

 

[Gospel of Prospal]

Unrestricted free agents: Alexander Wennberg, Jack Roslovic, Erik Gustafsson, Chad Ruhwedel, Blake Wheeler


None of these guys are worth bringing back. Maybe Ruhwedel on the cheap for the third pair, but it's not like we saw much of him this year.



Restricted free agents: Kaapo Kakko, Ryan Lindgren, Braden Schneider



Kakko is the biggest decision. What will he ask? Regardless, I know there are fans of him here and if you remove his draft status from the equation, you'd find a solid defensive forward. But I think he would be much better served on another team. I think the Rangers will trade him.

And with Lindgren, he's a warrior. I mean a true warrior in the mold of Dan Girardi. Incredible toughness. The problem is he's always hurt, he has slow footspeed and he contributes nothing on offense. I have a feeling he's gonna ask for more than he's worth and Drury shouldn't go overboard.

Schneider is a must re-sign. Still a young player and still room for improvement.


Ironically, the #1 guy on my FA wishlist is Brady Skjei. I think he'd be an excellent replacement for Lindgren. Great skater, can put up numbers offensively and can eat up top-4 minutes.




I think when the dust settles, you won't see the core broken up. I think you'll see Mika, Kreider, Panarin, and Trouba back. They have NMC and they'll most likely use 'em. IDK what the numbers would look like, but I would STRONGLY investigate buying out Jacob Trouba. He's a disgrace of a captain.

 

[bernmeister]

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question asked
Answer:
BECAUSE THEY DID NOT EFFINN LISTEN TO BERN

repeat that until it sinks in

I had in last RB thread right before it was 1-0 that they made critical mistake not listening to me, and it was proven true.

I said solution here was to play more Rempe, not less, also Remp + Eds should have gotten mins early on over Bonino/Pitlick etc

there are additional gripes but I want to try and focus going forward to extent possible, what's done is done

BUT WHEN I SAY BERN HAS A TRACK RECORD AND HE IS USUALLY CORRECT,
THIS ^ IS THE TYPE OF SHIT I MEAN

NYR braintrust, bend, buckle and break to the fact that yet again, I called it in real time and prior, and have been proven I am right and you are wrong.

Now give us the winner we deserve and effin LISTEN TO ME!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Daves a mess]

I’m expecting next to no big changes. They’re married to this core and they’ll keep building around it. Wennberg may come back. Roslovic most likely gone. Kakko will probably be back because he has no value. Kids will get chances. It’s gonna be another solid year and another outside shot at The Cup. If Baby Tkachuk is available I’m sure the rangers will make a big offer but like Eichel/Buffalo I doubt Ottawa trades him to NYC.

Ya want Brady? I do.

Be prepared to start with Laf.

 

[NYR Viper]

How about instead of paying out the nose for Tkachuk, Drury just signs Bertuzzi and then uses the remainder on on the defense.

 

[SRHRangers]

Its also the wrong year to deal Trouba.

Deal him now, and you're taking back another bad contract and /or retaining.

Deal him in his final year and it's just a cutting of the chord and it would help us get Igor/LaF under contract long term.

Ive always been a Kakko fan, but both sides need a change of scenery here. Let one of the kids play for his position.

 

[LOFIN]

How about instead of paying out the nose for Tkachuk, Drury just signs Bertuzzi and then uses the remainder on on the defense.

Not that bad of an idea TBH

 

[Synergy27]

Fix the defense. Whatever the cost.

The off season needs to begin with getting out from under Trouba’s contract. I don’t care if they need to include a first to get rid of him.

I am fine with resigning Lindgren to a team friendly deal if they are willing to separate him from Fox. He’s a great bottom four defenseman but should not be on a top pair with a Norris candidate. I lean towards moving him and playing Jones though.

Sign a 1LD (Ghost, Kylington) and a 3RD (Roy, or Pesce as a pipe dream) with Trouba’s money.

Kylington-Fox
Miller-Schneider
Jones-Roy

The forwards are fine unless we can move Panarin in a Huberdeau/Tkachuk like trade that doesn’t exist.

 

[lakeshirts37]

remember when people were saying they’d rather Mika than Eichel

Its also the wrong year to deal Trouba.

Deal him now, and you're taking back another bad contract and /or retaining.

Deal him in his final year and it's just a cutting of the chord and it would help us get Igor/LaF under contract long term.

Ive always been a Kakko fan, but both sides need a change of scenery here. Let one of the kids play for his position.

No, Trouba needs to be off this team asap. Who cares about retaining? It’s absolutely worth it. $4m of trouba dead cap is a net positive if that bum is off the roster

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

I said this a few weeks ago, there is a deal to be made with Utah. New ownership that's actually willing to spend up to the cap with non-LTIR players and wanting to make a splash.

They need defense big time. They have zero NHL D signed with Moser and Durzi as RFA. I don't need to list who on thr Rangers D could potentially be available with no reply need to take a contract back or retain.

One question that is in the air now which none probably thought would be a topic of conversation when the playoffs started in Goodrow.

 

[LaffyTaffy13]

Ya want Brady? I do.

Be prepared to start with Laf.

Laff is better than brady. Imo a trade for brady isnt realistic because if ottawa moves him it means theyre rebuilding and therefore theyd want young guys to grow with them. The best we could probably offer is

Kandre
Cuylle
Perreault
Othmann
2024 1st
2025 1st

And thats not getting it done

 

[Fitzy]

I don't think moving one of Panarin/Zib is realistic this offseason.

But Trouba costs 8 million and spent our most crucial games on the third pairing, and arguably playing below replacement level. He's an obvious scapegoat, trade candidate, and I've been talking about moving him in summer 2024 for 3 years now. He'd still fetch a pretty handsome return.

My shopping list is as follows

Out-

a) Trade Trouba
b) Look to trade Lindgren
c) Release Wennberg & Roslovic
d) Look to trade Kakko. If Bennett got a 2nd+ we can too.

In-

a) Speed at wing. We need to replace Roslovic and Kakko with guys who can really stretch the ice surface. Benoit Pouliot or Chimera types. I'll do some looking around the league when I;m bored.

b) A moden 21st century blue-line with two new guys who can pass the puck

This means retaining Jones with an eye on his being full time next season. Offer a lowball to Gustafsson (2x2) with an eye towards being the #7 when everyone is rolling.

There are a lot of guys who might not make it to UFA, but who could, who would be interesting Lindgren/Trouba replacements. Skjei, Montour, even Gostisbehere.

I'd offer up more candidates for trade but I think the ones I've listed already constitute an extremely active offseason not unlike what Florida tried with Huberdeau/Tkachuk 2 years ago.

Despite Mika's problems, and Panarin's poor playoffs, if you are creative enough with the cap you can still construct a contending NYR roster with them as complementary top 6 players, rather than the go-to guys. I'd spend money fixing the defense. Forward we might need a salary-retaining MSL type deal to give us another major weapon up front.

 

[SRHRangers]

remember when people were saying they’d rather Mika than Eichel


No, Trouba needs to be off this team asap. Who cares about retaining? It’s absolutely worth it. $4m of trouba dead cap is a net positive if that bum is off the roster

Just thinking about the following season, when Igor is gonna get 10-11 mil aav and if LaF builds off this season, that number will start at 9.5.

This is where the NMC to everyone comes back to bite us in the ass.

It's gonna be a frugal off-season with bargain UFAs and ELCs coming up

 

[Daves a mess]

Laff is better than brady. Imo a trade for brady isnt realistic because if ottawa moves him it means theyre rebuilding and therefore theyd want young guys to grow with them. The best we could probably offer is

Kandre
Cuylle
Perreault
Othmann
2024 1st
2025 1st

And thats not getting it done

Who knows what Ottawa wants, but it could be Miller.

I was saying what I think Ottawa asks for right off the hop IF trade discussions commenced.

 

[lakeshirts37]

Ya want Brady? I do.

Be prepared to start with Laf.

Not a chance. Brady has a NMC kicking in soon which will lower the return

Just thinking about the following season, when Igor is gonna get 10-11 mil aav and if LaF builds off this season, that number will start at 9.5.

This is where the NMC to everyone comes back to bite us in the ass.

It's gonna be a frugal off-season with bargain UFAs and ELCs coming up

Igor is not getting 10-11. Laf 8x8. The cap will have a big jump in 25-26. Again, Trouba is an abomination. 50% retention for two years is nothing.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Just thinking about the following season, when Igor is gonna get 10-11 mil aav and if LaF builds off this season, that number will start at 9.5.

This is where the NMC to everyone comes back to bite us in the ass.

It's gonna be a frugal off-season with bargain UFAs and ELCs coming up

Good news is Trouba's NMC is a modified NTC where he has to submit a list of 15 teams he won't accept a trade to. So there is 16 teams he can be traded to. My question is will Utah be listed or not.

 

[SRHRangers]

Who knows what Ottawa wants, but it could be Miller.

I was saying what I think Ottawa asks for right off the hop IF trade discussions commenced.

Ottawa goes Sanderson/Chy/Chabot on LD.

It's not Miller. You were right that it would start with Laf and end with Perrault.

 

[SRHRangers]

Good news is Trouba's NMC is a modified NTC where he has to submit a list of 15 teams he won't accept a trade to. So there is 16 teams he can be traded to. My question is will Utah be listed or not.

Yes but at the same time, were taking back a bad deal if there's a Trouba deal

Or, we retain.

I just don't want to eff up the finances for the 25 off-season where Igor and LaF get big raises.