Roster Building thread - Part X - (TDL edition)

[Boris Zubov]

Id rather move Kakko and Lindgren than Goodrow and Trouba this summer and it's not particularly close. I know everyone hates the contracts but replacing those guys on the ice and in the locker room is much more difficult than replacing the Invisible Man and Speed Bag Lindy. Sorry if that offends.

Ideally, we move them all out. I know that's unrealistic, but one can dream.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Ideally, we move them all out. I know that's unrealistic, but one can dream.

I don't think it's unrealistic that 3 of the 4 are gone.

 

[Boris Zubov]

I don't think it's unrealistic that 3 of the 4 are gone.

Let's hope our GM is on the same page.

 

[bernmeister]

hows about you spill the beans on this interplanetary monetary system that would solve all ills and reconcile biggie crew with pac crew

there are limitations on self promotion attached to commercial activity at this site
also this is not the correct thread.
Go to the OT lounge and make request again.
I will provide a response I trust the HFB powers that be will be ok with.

Also,, it is an international, not interplanetary monetary system
also it does not represent to solve "all ills".
All in such context is absolute
Only God is absolute
the best we humans can strive for is excellence
However, while we may thus never be perfect
we may in our excellence achieve flawlessness

So not all ills
just perhaps ultimately a quarter or more or so of global problems
because there would be structural design that for the first time
recognizes reality we are a planet of increasing population and decreasing resources which the status quo systems do not reflect

now, back to fixing the Rs

 

[McRanger92]

I don't think it's unrealistic that 3 of the 4 are gone.

I just don't think they'll be desperate enough for cap space to do that. Obviously we want to win the Cup and still very much can but I dont see Trouba and Goodrow being sacrificial lambs for coming up short. I did think that was a possibility before the playoffs started. PK roles are handwaved a lot for Goody and Trouba but its not an accident that we are tops in the league at it and both guys have shorty's this playoff.

With Kakko, he is so easy to replace and 2 million to a team like us is valuable when you expect an Edstrom or Berard to step into next years lineup. Lindgren they just need to upgrade, its an outlier that we are in the position we're in with him as our 1LD. We're winning in spite of him in many cases.

 

[effen]

Id rather move Kakko and Lindgren than Goodrow and Trouba this summer and it's not particularly close. I know everyone hates the contracts but replacing those guys on the ice and in the locker room is much more difficult than replacing the Invisible Man and Speed Bag Lindy. Sorry if that offends.

You also get more back for them. A lot more.

 

[McRanger92]

You also get more back for them. A lot more.

Yes but the rangers arent going to be interested in futures.

 

[bernmeister]

rant preamble

So we lost game 1 last nite.
Not the end of the world and I have us narrow 51-49 or so edge, so better part of a full 7 game series is to be expected.

That said, there are a number of probs of our own making that to be corrected IMMEDIATELY.

Each of last 9 [10?] games we are getting outshot.
unacceptable

We are not able to exert our will.
Worse some, such as FL last nite, controlled us

solution is, listen to bern
remember, exceptions to every rule, but rule is, usually
good big man defeats good little man

this is esp true in NHL playoffs
and intensified by fact our 5 x 5 game mostly sucks

translation
Rempe and Edstrom in IMMEDIATEY
Wenn + Ros out

I don't give a rat's ass about lack of experience
this is part of the prob I am forced to complain about repeatedly
Rempe + Edstrom should have gotten mo mins over Bonino etc

daat wuz den an dis is now
I will take whatev mistakes w/learning curve
THEN

stop experimenting
PO games not the time/place for change unless dealing w/injury

Chytil can play C, why waste him at W
nice to see kid line reunited but NO, Laf supposed to stay w/Tro + bread

also play bottom 6 mo mins to keep top 6 fresher
bread not quite gassed, but needs this

PO lineup
Kreider - Zib - Vesey
Panarin - Tro - LaF
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
Goodrow - Edstrom - Rempe

If Eds had instant chem top line w/Zib slotted over to RW, would go there
put Vesey 4th line


soon...
moves we are gonna have to make win or lose this cup quest

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Can Mackenzie Weeager play the left side?

Thats the type of guy I'd LOVE to play next to Fox. I have no idea what Calgary is planning to do but if they're trying to tear it down, I'd give up quite a bit for that guy.

Yes but the rangers arent going to be interested in futures.

They can always turn futures into now players.

Theres a good chance that they turn some of those guys on the block and their OWN futures into now players regardless of what happens the rest of the way here. If they fall short then they clearly weren't good enough and they can improve the areas that caused that to happen.

If they happen to win the whole thing, great! Now make the same type of moves so you have a better chance at doing it again next year.

 

[bernmeister]

Yes but the rangers arent going to be interested in futures.

But they should be
not only for cap mgmt but to upgrade roster assets

 

[McRanger92]

Can Mackenzie Weeager play the left side?

Thats the type of guy I'd LOVE to play next to Fox. I have no idea what Calgary is planning to do but if they're trying to tear it down, I'd give up quite a bit for that guy.




They can always turn futures into now players.

Theres a good chance that they turn some of those guys on the block and their OWN futures into now players regardless of what happens the rest of the way here. If they fall short then they clearly weren't good enough and they can improve the areas that caused that to happen.

If they happen to win the whole thing, great! Now make the same type of moves so you have a better chance at doing it again next year.

I get what you are saying and not disagreeing but Drury isnt going to trade guys he and lavi value highly without major external motivation to do so.

 

[Mike in Houston]

Looks like we will not know of any lineup changes until tomorrow morning. Seems like the Rangers have the day off.

 

[effen]

Yes but the rangers arent going to be interested in futures.

I think you can easily make a hockey trade for both Lindgren and Kakko tbh.

 

[McRanger92]

I think you can easily make a hockey trade for both Lindgren and Kakko tbh.

For sure, I thought you meant Trouba and Goodrow, who are both extremely tradeable. Recoup picks for both guys (Kakko & Lindgren) or package them for a true top 4 left defenseman.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

 

[cwede]

curious who gets recalled from Pack as 'Black Aces"

all 6 vet forwards? Pitlick(10 NHL seasons, >440 NHL RS/PS games,) Petan(9, 170), Belzile(4,50), Blidh(8,85), Lesch(3,77), Nash(injured, 12, 670)

Berard and Othmann?

any other kid Fs? they probably let the Euro ATOs (Chmelar, Vaisanen) go home for a bit,
will be back for Dev Camp in ~6 weeks

on D, given they have carried 2 guys who have seen NO postseason ice-time yet (Jones, Ruwedel)
maybe they don't recall all of Scanlin, Hollowell, Robertson, Mancini, Mackey(Injured), Harpur (returning from long-term injury)

Garand pretty much a given

 

[bernmeister]

ok here is what should do for next season based on as things stand/appear now...

premise
we need to continuously improve, STAY AHEAD of the curve
on cap, youth -> energy, etc.

bread will be told, thanks, oter than Kreider and we'll see about Zib, vets are going to be dealt or youth. We are not gonna be a slave to the cap. Quality young assets when cheaper help manage that.
So Trouba, Shesty once practical, buh bye.
You are not getting renewed even in ballpark of 11.6
Let us send you to FL
Panth will need scoring esp if high end losses in ufa
bread + Bob could not be closer he waives, it avoids ugly nyc exit
and Panarin can play for his next contract also no st tax, etc

main piece the other way is Ekblad
he is ok on all cylinders now though his injury history of extensive concussions = risk
howev, he is only under contract next season, so risk in that sense is minimal
whether we want him back at what # and whether or not Ek prefers to return to Panths, you are dealing quality vet for quality vet(s) and getting structural cap relief.

1. bread 11.6+ expiring for ekblad, 7.5 exp + Mikkola, 2.5 x 2

fl gets Panarin and MAYBE Ekb later
Rs get Ekb to do RD and Mik replaces lindgren/Gust. Scanlin competes for 3LD outta camp

2. Lindy + Jones + 4th to UT for 2 2nds + 3rd

Def so far, w/bread dealt, possible to slide Fox 1 yr or so to 1LD while we await for Fortanescue but prob other options incl Barron from MON for 3RD, so Trouba either dealt or briefly temp parked at 4RW

Now we deal based on where trade partners go
There was chatter both ways if Byfield offer sheet got 4 low enuf 1st picks Kings would have to at least consider b'c they are effed short term on futures.
Given that they may consider:

3. Shesty + Othmann + Perrault + Sykora for Byfield + PLD at half

Ks gotta admit eating half is rough but it gets rid of structural cap probem child
also 2 quality y9oung pieces now still elc but better than waiting for drafted asset waiting to develop -- Othmann immediate help, per following yr is ready.

And shesty helps w/current window at ridiculous price and if they can't extend him, he gets A HAUL.

Also Byfield next deal will not be cheap.


Rs gamble Quick starts, Garand broken in. Domingue for depth
Obv, you do this to get a stud pivot.
pld, worst case, don't have to play him, only pay him, and already max retained once can have a final retain should that be a worthwhile discussion


That leaves LaF
again, I want enuf or we keep him
push comes to shove their hf base disagrees, but I think Habs mgt goes there..

4. LaF + Robertson + BMB for Guhle, Reinbacher + Barron

while this is a hit to MON D depth, it is taking away from depth to area of need
also Reinbacher not contributing to parent club now, not immediately available til following season, so short term it is Guhle for LaF
Barron is a throw in they can do, and Robertson is less valuable but lefty counter image, so no big whoop

Rs continue to move ahead


As a result of above:

assume Trouba not immediately moved for picks

Kreider - Byfield - Zib
pld - Tro - berard/Vesey
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
Edstrom - Rempe (yes he can pivot) - Trouba

reserve Goodrow Brods

then on D
Mikkola - Fox
KAM - ekblad
Scanlin - Schneider

in net
Quick - Garand - Domingue

given what might be available and costs
the above is best scenario to repurpose existing older assets reasonably possible to be moved
while adding quality youth and keeping cap flexble going forward

 

[Mike in Houston]

Mollie Walker will be on The Michael Kay Show at 4:30pm.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Mollie Walker will be on The Michael Kay Show at 4:30pm.

damn she made the big time

 

[Shesterkybomb]

If Necas is available we gotta figure out a way to make that happen. Seems like he wants top line minutes...well Zibs and Kreider need a winger.

 

[n8]

If Necas is available we gotta figure out a way to make that happen. Seems like he wants top line minutes...well Zibs and Kreider need a winger.

he wants to play on the top line, not the 2nd line

 

[haohmaru]

Kreider - Byfield - Zib
pld - Tro - berard/Vesey
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
Edstrom - Rempe (yes he can pivot) - Trouba

reserve Goodrow Brods

then on D
Mikkola - Fox
KAM - ekblad
Scanlin - Schneider

in net
Quick - Garand - Domingue

This team is worse than the Sharks. Remember that last post where I said that was your worst take ever? This is even worse.

Trouba on wing? WTF?
PLD was a dumpster fire this year.
Byfield is not getting traded.
Vesey on line 2?
Panarin, the greatest UFA signing in Rangers history, jettisoned after a 120 point season?
Zibanejad isn't a wing
Mikkola isn't even close to a 1st pairing D
Ekblad isn't going anywhere
Scanlin isn't NHL ready
A 39 year old goalie is your starter?

This is horrendous

Holey moley.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

ok here is what should do for next season based on as things stand/appear now...

premise
we need to continuously improve, STAY AHEAD of the curve
on cap, youth -> energy, etc.

bread will be told, thanks, oter than Kreider and we'll see about Zib, vets are going to be dealt or youth. We are not gonna be a slave to the cap. Quality young assets when cheaper help manage that.
So Trouba, Shesty once practical, buh bye.
You are not getting renewed even in ballpark of 11.6
Let us send you to FL
Panth will need scoring esp if high end losses in ufa
bread + Bob could not be closer he waives, it avoids ugly nyc exit
and Panarin can play for his next contract also no st tax, etc

main piece the other way is Ekblad
he is ok on all cylinders now though his injury history of extensive concussions = risk
howev, he is only under contract next season, so risk in that sense is minimal
whether we want him back at what # and whether or not Ek prefers to return to Panths, you are dealing quality vet for quality vet(s) and getting structural cap relief.

1. bread 11.6+ expiring for ekblad, 7.5 exp + Mikkola, 2.5 x 2

fl gets Panarin and MAYBE Ekb later
Rs get Ekb to do RD and Mik replaces lindgren/Gust. Scanlin competes for 3LD outta camp

2. Lindy + Jones + 4th to UT for 2 2nds + 3rd

Def so far, w/bread dealt, possible to slide Fox 1 yr or so to 1LD while we await for Fortanescue but prob other options incl Barron from MON for 3RD, so Trouba either dealt or briefly temp parked at 4RW

Now we deal based on where trade partners go
There was chatter both ways if Byfield offer sheet got 4 low enuf 1st picks Kings would have to at least consider b'c they are effed short term on futures.
Given that they may consider:

3. Shesty + Othmann + Perrault + Sykora for Byfield + PLD at half

Ks gotta admit eating half is rough but it gets rid of structural cap probem child
also 2 quality y9oung pieces now still elc but better than waiting for drafted asset waiting to develop -- Othmann immediate help, per following yr is ready.

And shesty helps w/current window at ridiculous price and if they can't extend him, he gets A HAUL.

Also Byfield next deal will not be cheap.


Rs gamble Quick starts, Garand broken in. Domingue for depth
Obv, you do this to get a stud pivot.
pld, worst case, don't have to play him, only pay him, and already max retained once can have a final retain should that be a worthwhile discussion


That leaves LaF
again, I want enuf or we keep him
push comes to shove their hf base disagrees, but I think Habs mgt goes there..

4. LaF + Robertson + BMB for Guhle, Reinbacher + Barron

while this is a hit to MON D depth, it is taking away from depth to area of need
also Reinbacher not contributing to parent club now, not immediately available til following season, so short term it is Guhle for LaF
Barron is a throw in they can do, and Robertson is less valuable but lefty counter image, so no big whoop

Rs continue to move ahead


As a result of above:

assume Trouba not immediately moved for picks

Kreider - Byfield - Zib
pld - Tro - berard/Vesey
Cuylle - Chytil - KK
Edstrom - Rempe (yes he can pivot) - Trouba

reserve Goodrow Brods

then on D
Mikkola - Fox
KAM - ekblad
Scanlin - Schneider

in net
Quick - Garand - Domingue

given what might be available and costs
the above is best scenario to repurpose existing older assets reasonably possible to be moved
while adding quality youth and keeping cap flexble going forward

This is incredible.

 

[GAGLine]

This is incredible.

Incredibly bad.

 

[NYR Viper]

Replace the entire 4th line with

Duhaime
Edstrom
Blueger

Probably overall even on cap space

Trade Kakko + for Farabee

Trade Goodrow for late picks

Trade Trouba for picks

Sign Matt Roy and Oliver Kylington on defense

Sign Perron to a 1 year deal


Panarin-Trochek-Lafreniere
Kreider-Zibanejad-Farabee
Cuylle-Chytil-Perron
Edstrom-Blueger-Duhaime
Brodzinski/Rempe

Miller-Fox
Lindgren-Roy
Jones-Schneider
Kylington