Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Americanadian]

Bringing up Karlsson is unfair because he wasnt that guy until he broke out in Vegas.

You brought up guys like Mikkola and McNabb who also broke out after they were acquired.

Strome, Duchene, Dubois are nowhere near the kind of player Danault is.

They are arguably more valuable C's though given how much better they are offensively.

Schenn and Hertl dont bring the selke level defence Danault does and theyre C/W hybrids.

I would take both players when they were acquired over Danault when he was signed as a UFA.

ROR is the closest stylistic comparable on that list, and he was much younger (and better) when traded to Buffalo and St. Louis.

He was also signed as a UFA.

Miller is obviously a much better player but Vancouver was determined to dump him and he'd only accept a trade to NY.

I said Miller to VAN.

Trocheck and Kadri were traded well before they had established themselves as a Danault type. As UFAs they're more comparable but thats what.. 3 players of that type over how many years? Far more D men available which was my original point

I completely disagree - I think all the players I mentioned are similar in overall ability and impact to Danault at 2Cs.

 

[Gabriel426]

Depend on price. Good secondary piece.
Would be great if Connor Brown is on the other side and Laughton as 3C.

Thats a pretty solid line that can score and play great D

 

[TMLAM34]

I’d be fine with Mangiapane, seems like a good fit on a third line. Hope it’s not higher up in the lineup. Wonder if this will make McMann available for an upgrade somewhere else in the lineup.

 

[WTFMAN99]

He's not fast for his size.

Would opt for Connor Brown.

 

[BallardEra]

Not a needle mover.

Didn’t really impress me in any way this past season with the Caps.

Maybe a change of scenery helps him.

 

[JKG33]

You brought up guys like Mikkola and McNabb who also broke out after they were acquired.

Even if you scratch them out, those kind of D are still much more widely available

They are arguably more valuable C's though given how much better they are offensively.

Ok? So then should I go list a bunch of middle pairing offensive D that also are often available? Defeats the whole point of the argument to bring up a completely different type of player.

I would take both players when they were acquired over Danault when he was signed as a UFA.

Again, different type of player.

He was also signed as a UFA.

He was much older as a UFA than Danault was

I said Miller to VAN.

Ok? Thats actually an even worse argument then because Miller wasnt an elite shut down C at that time. He was an offense first C/W hybrids like the above.

I completely disagree - I think all the players I mentioned are similar in overall ability and impact to Danault at 2Cs.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Danault Trochek, Kadri, are a completely differenr player from everyone else above. Along with guys like Cirelli, Pageau (theres a good one who was traded albeit as a rental), Horvat (another rental that ended up signing for much more than Danault) Couturier, J. Staal (of a few years ago)

 

[Americanadian]

Even if you scratch them out, those kind of D are still much more widely available

Ok? So then should I go list a bunch of middle pairing offensive D that also are often available? Defeats the whole point of the argument to bring up a completely different type of player.

Again, different type of player.

He was much older as a UFA than Danault was

Ok? Thats actually an even worse argument then because Miller wasnt an elite shut down C at that time. He was an offense first C/W hybrids like the above.

Then we'll have to agree to disagree. Danault Trochek, Kadri, are a completely differenr player from everyone else above. Along with guys like Cirelli, Pageau (theres a good one who was traded albeit as a rental), Horvat (another rental that ended up signing for much more than Danault) Couturier, J. Staal (of a few years ago)

If we want to go player through player that you compared to Carlo and McCabe how many were perfect comparables?
Gudas (UFA) - 6 years straight of 18 minutes or less TOI/GP when signed
Trouba (practically a salary dump) - not even close to as good as Carlo and McCabe when they were acquired
Manson (trade) - traded for as a rental which you said isn't comparable
Severson (UFA) - nowhere close to the same defensive impact
Mikkola (UFA) - nowhere close
Edmundson (UFA) - significantly worse
Savard (trade/UFA) - traded for as a rental which you said isn't comparable, signed when he was over the hill
Faulk (trade) - yes
McDonagh (trade) - yes
Cernak (trade) - hadn't played an NHL game when he was traded
McNabb (expansion, but was a trade acquisition by LA previously) - 15 minute/night guy when he was acquired
Roy (UFA) - yes

 

[SprDaVE]

My early optimism quickly turning into exactly what I expected. Just zero creativity, urgency and ability to push the team forward.

Just awful managing. Stuck with Kampf, Reaves and other crap depth because there's no way they will find takers in August.

Running it back without potentially 2 of your best forwards certainly is a strategy.

 

[JKG33]

If we want to go player through player that you compared to Carlo and McCabe how many were perfect comparables?
Gudas (UFA) - 6 years straight of 18 minutes or less TOI/GP when signed
Trouba (practically a salary dump) - not even close to as good as Carlo and McCabe when they were acquired
Manson (trade) - traded for as a rental which you said isn't comparable
Severson (UFA) - nowhere close to the same defensive impact
Mikkola (UFA) - nowhere close
Edmundson (UFA) - significantly worse
Savard (trade/UFA) - traded for as a rental which you said isn't comparable, signed when he was over the hill
Faulk (trade) - yes
McDonagh (trade) - yes
Cernak (trade) - hadn't played an NHL game when he was traded
McNabb (expansion, but was a trade acquisition by LA previously) - 15 minute/night guy when he was acquired
Roy (UFA) - yes

Im laughing that the 3 guys I listed that're actually better than Carlo/McCabe are the only ones you view as equal

 

[mydnyte]

JT apparently bleeds blue and white until he needs to sign a team friendly deal, I don’t blame him for wanting a overpayment, it’s what the core does, but that bleeds nlue and white bullshit is exactly that, bullshit……..

after seeing what Nelson got, and being better than Nelson, it doesnt help.
if we let him walk though, it will be a tough refill spot

 

[TMLAM34]

My early optimism quickly turning into exactly what I expected. Just zero creativity, urgency and ability to push the team forward.

Just awful managing. Stuck with Kampf, Reaves and other crap depth because there's no way they will find takers in August.

Running it back without potentially 2 of your best forwards certainly is a strategy.

Scary when this team might be significantly worse next season and have no 1st round picks.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Makes sense that teams would make us eat the signing bonuses on Jarnkrok, Kampf and even Domi.

 

[Americanadian]

Im laughing that the 3 guys I listed that're actually better than Carlo/McCabe are the only ones you view as equal

I agree that Faulk and McDonagh are better than both. I disagree that Roy is better than McCabe.

Using the same logic - do you believe that Danault is equal to Milker, Kadri and Trochek?

 

[Rare Jewel]

My early optimism quickly turning into exactly what I expected. Just zero creativity, urgency and ability to push the team forward.

Just awful managing. Stuck with Kampf, Reaves and other crap depth because there's no way they will find takers in August.

Running it back without potentially 2 of your best forwards certainly is a strategy.

Broken record time, but Kampf isn't that big of an issue, and Reeves can be buried.

But, generally, I agree with the bolded.

 

[SprDaVE]

Scary when this team might be significantly worse next season and have no 1st round picks.

Thankfully they are top 5/10 protected and picks can be added if things turn sideways. Trelivings ability to completely nuke a 2nd team will be interesting to follow.

Not to be impatient because there is plenty of time so I'll refrain from overly criticize things right now but this shit is off to the worst start possible and nothing really shows any optimism.

 

[JKG33]

I agree that Faulk and McDonagh are better than both. I disagree that Roy is better than McCabe.

Using the same logic - do you believe that Danault is equal to Milker, Kadri and Trochek?

Fair, I'd take Roy over McCabe but thats not a stretch either direction.

The Miller that got traded to NYR is in a completely different (higher) tier. The Miller that got traded to VAN was a completely different type of player.

Trochek is certainly much better.

Kadri I have a very hard time taking ahead of Danault because Kadri could snap and do something stupid at any moment. Danault is pure class.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Makes sense that teams would make us eat the signing bonuses on Jarnkrok, Kampf and even Domi.

I'd be surprised if he moved Domi a year after extending him, but I would be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Americanadian]

Thankfully they are top 5/10 protected and picks can be added if things turn sideways. Trelivings ability to completely nuke a 2nd team will be interesting to follow.

Not to be impatient because there is plenty of time so I'll refrain from overly criticize things right now but this shit is off to the worst start possible and nothing really shows any optimism.

I never understood why there was optimism. Tre is legitimately a bottom 5 GM in the league.

 

[Anthrax442]

At a discounted price, sure.

 

[Menzinger]

All these years spent looking for top 4 RHD and you finally get a 2nd one and you trade him after half a season. Then you're stuck Myers as your 2nd best RHD?

They need a centre more than anything. And I don't see free agency as an option

If they move a guy out from the backend in a trade they can look to bring in another top 4 guy in free agency. Ekblad for example.

Maybe Cowan + Danford/2nd might get the center instead. But there's really not many realistic options otherwise

 

[Rare Jewel]

I never understood why there was optimism. Tre is legitimately a bottom 5 GM in the league.

I mean, he built a good team in Florida.

 

[Americanadian]

They need a centre more than anything. And I don't see free agency as an option

If they move a guy out from the backend in a trade they can look to bring in another top 4 guy in free agency. Ekblad for example.

Maybe Cowan + Danford/2nd might get the center instead. But there's really not many realistic options otherwise

I agree the free agent C’s aren’t an option but which C are you getting for Carlo?

There aren’t many teams around the league that have extra C’s and need 2RD. Tampa for Nick Paul would make sense but he has a full NTC.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd be surprised if he moved Domi a year after extending him, but I would be pleasantly surprised.

2 things come to mind

Ekholm was extended right before UFA and just ahead of TDL in year 1 of the deal the Preds traded him.

Burke saying sometimes someone isn't a fit and you just gotta move off of a player, this was also about a year into acquiring Versteeg.

I think with Domi, he was alright but if we don't love him, move him.

 

[pspot]

so not resigning marner and then stripping it down. wonder if Reilly is part of this retool

also their first pick is the last pick of the second round ....hopefully these trades involve picks coming back

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I don't want to hear about the Leafs "Lack of assets" EVER again.

Because It is not f***ing real, It has never been real.

But if you ever needed 100% proof that It is NOT f***ing real you just saw a 24 year old forward with 2 60+ point seasons get GIFT WRAPPED to Philadelphia.

The "Lack of assets" narrative needs to die because It is bullshit.