Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Americanadian]

If you add Knies to that group thats 100% a playoff team, hell depending what the Leafs do I'd likely bet that Boston team finishes ahead of Toronto (if they'd successfully OS Knies)

I'll take that bet all day long. My model has them at 86 points if they just add Knies. I had them at 92 points last year going into the season.

 

[ULF_55]

I mean you said it right there, thats a lot of games without your best 2 d-men.

I'm not going to hold the season against Swayman when he had no training camp. If he's shit again this year then yea sure he's a fraud.

Pasta is one of the best players in the world. Their defence is still solid even without Carlo. I'm not saying Marchand isnt a huge loss, but in Boston he was nowhere near the rejuvenated player that he became in Florida.

If you add Knies to that group thats 100% a playoff team, hell depending what the Leafs do I'd likely bet that Boston team finishes ahead of Toronto (if they'd successfully OS Knies)

You are assuming the Leafs do nothing then?

 

[JKG33]

You are assuming the Leafs do nothing then?

Not nothing, but I dont know what could be done. Thats a lot of cap space but a weak UFA class and it's not like the Leafs would suddenly have assets to get another impact player. Sure you'd probably trade some of the offer sheet picks but thats not getting a player anywhere near the level of Knies

 

[ULF_55]

Not nothing, but I dont know what could be done. Thats a lot of cap space but a weak UFA class and it's not like the Leafs would suddenly have assets to get another impact player. Sure you'd probably trade some of the offer sheet picks but thats not getting a player anywhere near the level of Knies

I think the Knies hype train might be a touch out of control.

Maybe he was hitting the marner glass ceiling, and he'll now step up and be a team leader?

TBH disappointed in his playoffs.

 

[rumman]

Man if they run it back with almost the same group, I think I’m done.

You won’t be alone in that regard…….

 

[JKG33]

I think the Knies hype train might be a touch out of control.

Maybe he was hitting the marner glass ceiling, and he'll now step up and be a team leader?

TBH disappointed in his playoffs.

Who's playoff are we not disappointed in?

The difference between Knies and the rest of the fraud 4 is he actually plays a physical brand of hockey that successful teams love

 

[4thline]

Not a chance. Danault is an elite defensive 2C. Those types are rarely available. The McCabe and Carlo types are almost a dime a dozen

Danault is a good piece and pretty unique - but let's not be silly here. Big physical top 4 D are gold come deadline time.

 

[BallardEra]

 

[Lightsol]

Didn't see/hear about that. Toronto starting to nickel and dime everyone.

Yep, that appears to be the big Treveling strategy for this offseason; find out which players want to play on a team with only half the Big 4 and clearly trending downward for LESS than what they could get in no-tax states. Which is why I keep saying they're going to end up signing a couple of fourth liners and miss the playoffs next year. They're going to hinge this entire season on two questions:

1. Can Auston Matthews score like he did in the past with an ailing wrist and less offensive support?
2. If not, can William Nylander handle being the guy that other teams will send their number 1 shutdown guys after after years of being able to feast while Matthews and Marner drew those guys?

And I'm betting the answer is no, and no.

 

[JKG33]

Danault is a good piece and pretty unique - but let's not be silly here. Big physical top 4 D are gold come deadline time.

They're gold players to have, but theyre always moved/available. Tanev (UFA), McCabe (Trade), Carlo (Trade) and thats just how the Leafs acquired theirs.

Gudas (UFA), Trouba (practically a salary dump), Manson (trade), Severson (UFA), Mikkola (UFA), Edmundson (UFA), Savard (trade/UFA), Faulk (trade), McDonagh (trade), Cernak (trade), McNabb (expansion, but was a trade acquisition by LA previously), Roy (UFA)... those are all somewhat similar middle pairing d-men and how they were acquired. And that list is not exhaustive.

Meanwhile the list of Danault types thatre moved would be much shorter. And when inferior players like Laughton are going for a 1st+...

 

[TMLAM34]

Looking at the Columbus roster, they actually have some real nice pieces… Voronkov would be a real nice get. Voronkov - Matthews - Ehlers potentially.

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Dmitri Voronkov + Cole Sillinger
To Columbus: Joseph Woll + Bobby McMann + Easton Cowan

Sign Ehlers in free agency,


Voronkov - Matthews - Ehlers
Knies - Sillinger - Nylander

 

[rumman]

Who's playoff are we not disappointed in?

The difference between Knies and the rest of the fraud 4 is he actually plays a physical brand of hockey that successful teams love

But is he going to be as greedy as the aforementioned frauds?

 

[JKG33]

But is he going to be as greedy as the aforementioned frauds?

We'll find that out in a few days/weeks

 

[ULF_55]

Who's playoff are we not disappointed in?

The difference between Knies and the rest of the fraud 4 is he actually plays a physical brand of hockey that successful teams love

That was my belief.
I'm trying to find evidence to support that.

 

[Americanadian]

They're gold players to have, but theyre always moved/available. Tanev (UFA), McCabe (Trade), Carlo (Trade) and thats just how the Leafs acquired theirs.

Gudas (UFA), Trouba (practically a salary dump), Manson (trade), Severson (UFA), Mikkola (UFA), Edmundson (UFA), Savard (trade/UFA), Faulk (trade), McDonagh (trade), Cernak (trade), McNabb (expansion, but was a trade acquisition by LA previously), Roy (UFA)... those are all somewhat similar middle pairing d-men and how they were acquired. And that list is not exhaustive.

Meanwhile the list of Danault types thatre moved would be much shorter. And when inferior players like Laughton are going for a 1st+...

To be fair Danault was a UFA and each of McCabe and Carlo were acquired for a 1st+. Referring to McNabb as expansion and not mentioning Karlsson who is similar to Danault is also unfair here.

Players like Strome, Trocheck, Kadri, ROR, Duchene were all recent UFA signings that are comparable to Danault.

Players like PLD, Miller to VAN, B. Schenn, Hertl were all recently acquired for a 1st+ and they are comparable to Danault.

 

[Hellcat]

 

[JKG33]

That was my belief.
I'm trying to find evidence to support that.

I dont think Knies will ever be a "superstar" on the level of Matthews & Marner, but I absolutely think he'll have the career of a less violent Benn/Wilson. Not a PPG player over his career but flirts with that mark a couple of seasons. Probably ends up (or should end up) as captain one day. Definitely a guy you'd have on your team rather than on the opposition come playoff time (in contrast to M&M)

 

[OVO16]

Yeah it's pretty inevitable. Local guy, played for treliving before.

Great bounce back candidate. Feisty player too, so fits the bill. He'll be a great add in the top 9

 

[NMacrules]

Undersized 3rd line player. 29 years old. Only 243 points in almost 500 games. No thanks.

 

[banks]

I'm fine with it. He's an ok player, and we have a lot of roster spots to fill.

But I can already see the media garbage trying to spin it like he's somehow Marner's replacement. That storyline would get old real quick. The truth is that there isn't going to be a Marner replacement, and they don't directly need one.

 

[TheScandal89]

It was pretty much inevitable whether we want it or not. You could see it from a mile away. A 1 year prove it deal is hopefully what happens.

 

[JKG33]

To be fair Danault was a UFA and each of McCabe and Carlo were acquired for a 1st+. Referring to McNabb as expansion and not mentioning Karlsson who is similar to Danault is also unfair here.

Players like Strome, Trocheck, Kadri, ROR, Duchene were all recent UFA signings that are comparable to Danault.

Players like PLD, Miller to VAN, B. Schenn, Hertl were all recently acquired for a 1st+ and they are comparable to Danault.

Bringing up Karlsson is unfair because he wasnt that guy until he broke out in Vegas.

Strome, Duchene, Dubois are nowhere near the kind of player Danault is.

Schenn and Hertl dont bring the selke level defence Danault does and theyre C/W hybrids.

ROR is the closest stylistic comparable on that list, and he was much younger (and better) when traded to Buffalo and St. Louis.

Miller is obviously a much better player but Vancouver was determined to dump him and he'd only accept a trade to NY.

Trocheck and Kadri were traded well before they had established themselves as a Danault type. As UFAs they're more comparable but thats what.. 3 players of that type over how many years? Far more D men available which was my original point

 

[Tie Domi Esquire]

Not a needle mover.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

I’d definitely do it if it’s a one year deal.