Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[613Leafer]

As for the "Leafs may flip a D-man for forward".....makes total sense but only if its Reilly.

Moving Benoit for a forward clearly won't move the needle, so the only answer here is Rielly. All the other Defenseman are in good standing with the leafs and not getting traded.

What forwards are out there that's equivalent to Morgan Reilly, both from a Talent perspective and Age/Salary perspective?

Steven Stamkos? Tyler Bertuzzi?

Ideally it would be a centre to play 3rd line C for us (and not Stamkos, but someone who can actually play C).

 

[SprDaVE]

Because Leafs aren't winning the cup next season. Its all about remaining competitive and growing with the updated roster while keep the door to McDavid open.

Committing ridiculous amount of cap in player acquisitions like McMann+Robertson for Karlsson is something i'd rather not do. I'd rather send these players out for draft picks which can be used for further deals

I sure hope Treliving doesn't have the same loser mentality of "we are not winning the cup next season".

 

[OVO16]

Essentially replacing Robertson with Mangiapane… We’re going to need a lot more than that.

Well, yeah obviously. I'm just saying he will be part of the adds we make this off-season. I'm almost certain

 

[PromisedLand]

I sure hope Treliving doesn't have the same loser mentality of "we are not winning the cup next season".

LOL

making hay when the sun shines versus always making hay else loser mentality

It amazes me how the thought process of others work really.... "think like me or else its a loser mentality"

LOL ok then......

 

[SprDaVE]

LOL

making hay when the sun shines versus always making hay else loser mentality

It amazes me how the thought process of others work really.... "think like me or else its a loser mentality"

LOL ok then......

I'm just saying already admitting that this season is not one we can win is pretty much that. They will likely do everything they can to win. If they think anything else then they really have the wrong people in charge.

You may have other thoughts about forgoing a season or whatever but it's not one Treliving and friends will share. With that said, they are in a rough position for sure.

 

[str8kila]

honestly with the way things are going with free agency and our own players I think u just use the cap space to try and take on some assets for 1 year bad contracts. Yes go after mangiapane and whoever ever else to try and set up some spots, but if you can pick up some draft picks for players on 1 year deals like Evander Kane etc u might as well.

 

[PromisedLand]

I'm just saying already admitting that this season is not one we can win is pretty much that. They will likely do everything they can to win. If they think anything else then they really have the wrong people in charge.

You may have other thoughts about forgoing a season or whatever but it's not one Treliving and friends will share. With that said, they are in a rough position for sure.

This is the draft capital Leafs have

How are they going to add anything of value via trade? They MUST invest their time in doing a re-tool this season.

Dubas traded away all the draft capital over all those years and last season Treliving traded away more first rounders for the likes of Laughton ffs

If Treliving thinks he can win the cup without having draft capital to make the deals or the quality UFA class where Leafs can splash the moolah; well.....I'd rather be realistically optimistic than have completely blind optimism

 

[OVO16]

Steven Stamkos isn't a center, but he fits the "DNA" mold Treliving was talking about. Not to mention he's a local boy and grew up a leafs fan.

Would the Preds have any interest in Morgan Reilly ?

 

[TMLAM34]

Minor deal I wouldn’t mind the Leafs making is,

To Toronto: Brennan Othmann
To Rangers: Nick Robertson

Both young players seem to need a change of scenery. I think Othmann’s play style fits Treliving and Berube’s system better than Robertson’s. Not to mention, Robertson never looks happy in front of the media and has already requested a trade once (can’t blame him) but get that attitude out of our locker room…

 

[TMLAM34]

Also slowly warming up to the idea of Ehlers to play alongside Matthews. Not sure if he’d have interest in signing here but getting to play with Matthews would be pretty tempting I’m sure. There’s not much available out there and he’s definitely a better option than Domi for the top line spot. He can play either wing position as well which is a bonus.

 

[Kiwi]

What are we talking about Stamkos for? He's old, not very good and his contract blows

Rielly won't waive, so you might as well give up on that idea to

 

[Menzinger]

Also slowly warming up to the idea of Ehlers to play alongside Matthews. Not sure if he’d have interest in signing here but getting to play with Matthews would be pretty tempting I’m sure. There’s not much available out there and he’s definitely a better option than Domi for the top line spot. He can play either wing position as well which is a bonus.

He's one of the higher priced free agents who has a chance to give more value than his contract. His average TOI is only 15ish minutes. Bumpy that up 2-3mjn plus some PP time with Matthews and his offense could take a jump.

I'd like him better than Boeser

 

[OVO16]

What are we talking about Stamkos for? He's old, not very good and his contract blows

Rielly won't waive, so you might as well give up on that idea to

You can say the same thing for Rielly.

Also this "Reilly wont wave" is hilarious because none of us knows shit. Players waive all the time. Its extremely common for players to waive and accept a trade

 

[Menzinger]

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With the pre-existing Tre connection I suspect he's one of the first signings Toronto announces July 1st

I'd be okay with it too

 

[Torontonian]

Patty Kane isn't making the same money that he did in his prime. Mangiapane's previous cap hit was 5.8AAV while P. Kane's was 4 AAV. I actually changed my mind and swapped in Saad for Mangiapane in the top6. Saad would sign a 1 yr deal IMO so I'd rather do that.

This year is a retooling year anyway IMO until we know the fate of McDavid.


I don't want Leafs to commit to a center until we are 100% sure that we are out of McDavid sweepstakes

Domi playing 2C is fine IMO; we are not going to get a bonafide superstar that would come at a relatively easy cap hit. If you want you can swap JT and Domi as centers. But I don't like Tavares as 2C either but it is what it is.... It also helps spread out offense instead of putting all the offensive eggs in top 2 line baskets.

Just one year until we know for sure whether or not McJesus is coming to Toronto or not.

So, your logic is.. Patrick Kane who made 4m last year putting up 59 points is going to get a pay cut, by 1.5m, and Mangipani who made 5.5m, put up lowest numbers, is due for a raise? That's not how contracts work my friend.

This is most definitely not a retooling year, Toronto has no draft capital, being bad makes zero sense. You understand, you can commit to a center and push him to the wing right? Someone like Grandlund? Or Tavares?

Lets use our heads a little here, you don't punt a year away on the off random chance in a years time a players going to sign here, that just makes zero sense from a team perspective.

 

[RuudeDog]

Also slowly warming up to the idea of Ehlers to play alongside Matthews. Not sure if he’d have interest in signing here but getting to play with Matthews would be pretty tempting I’m sure. There’s not much available out there and he’s definitely a better option than Domi for the top line spot. He can play either wing position as well which is a bonus.

I wouldn't mind him either. Leafs need to get faster, but I heard on one of the podcasts that he is likely heading to a quieter market. According to many players, the Leaf market is as quiet as a Metallica concert. For being as tough as they are, hockey players really are soft.

 

[TMLAM34]

He's one of the higher priced free agents who has a chance to give more value than his contract. His average TOI is only 15ish minutes. Bumpy that up 2-3mjn plus some PP time with Matthews and his offense could take a jump.

I'd like him better than Boeser

His style of play is more similar to Marner’s and should fit in better playing alongside Matthews than Boeser.

I’m not going to lie, seeing clips of him dropping the gloves won me over. This isn’t me saying I’d expect that out of him, because I don’t, but when push comes to shove, stand the f*** up for yourself! That would be a welcome change from Marner.

 

[Torontonian]

I have always felt Tavares 11 million cap hit vs impact was the real killer not 16 the last few years. 91 was overpaid now it’s time for a team friendly deal. Leafs fans have cut him slack but that changes instantly if he ends up being another dollar chaser after how much he has made in his career.

Tavares @ 11m was always killer, esp compared to Marner. Paying your 2nd line C 11m is killer, unless your 1-2 punch would be McDavid & Matthews.

 

[TMLAM34]

Won’t happen but completely reshaping the top six…

To Toronto: Anthony Cirelli + Oliver Bjorkstrand
To Tampa Bay: William Nylander + Pontus Holmberg

To Toronto: Alexis Lafreniere
To Rangers: Morgan Rielly + Easton Cowan + Bobby McMann


Lafreniere(7.45) - Matthews(13.25) - Ehlers(8)
Knies(7.2) - Cirelli(6.25) - Bjorkstrand(5.4)

 

[ULF_55]

Won’t happen but completely reshaping the top six…

To Toronto: Anthony Cirelli + Oliver Bjorkstrand
To Tampa Bay: William Nylander + Pontus Holmberg

To Toronto: Alexis Lafreniere
To Rangers: Morgan Rielly + Easton Cowan + Bobby McMann


Lafreniere(7.45) - Matthews(13.25) - Ehlers(8)
Knies(7.2) - Cirelli(6.25) - Bjorkstrand(5.4)

Move Matthews.

He isn't committed to the team anyway, why let him walk in a couple years?

 

[Americanadian]

Won’t happen but completely reshaping the top six…

To Toronto: Anthony Cirelli + Oliver Bjorkstrand
To Tampa Bay: William Nylander + Pontus Holmberg

To Toronto: Alexis Lafreniere
To Rangers: Morgan Rielly + Easton Cowan + Bobby McMann


Lafreniere(7.45) - Matthews(13.25) - Ehlers(8)
Knies(7.2) - Cirelli(6.25) - Bjorkstrand(5.4)

Given the contracts for Cirelli and Nylander, Tampa would want McMann or Laughton with him to balance the trade. They’d be looking to bring in as many middle 6F’s as they send out. Holmberg probably does nothing for them given they have Goncalves and Girgensons.

Ideally you’re targeting a RS RW if you move Cowan because there are no RS F in the bottom 6 when Jarnkrok is moved and you also want to give your fancy new toy (Ehlers) the best chance to succeed by putting him on his strong side. Also worth noting that Ehlers and Bjorkstrand are 2 of the few danish players in the league and would make a great line around Cirelli.

 

[4thline]

His style of play is more similar to Marner’s and should fit in better playing alongside Matthews than Boeser.

I wouldn't be mad at signing Ehlers or playing him with Matthews- but the EA idea that Matthews is better off with a Marner type playmaker is false imo. Give Matthews 2 running mates that can both shoot and take takes pucks to the net and suddenly they wont need world class visiom to get him open looks because the other team wont be able to double / cheat towards AM without getting burned

 

[Tony Romo]

It sucks he seems locked into to Minny but i'd be definitely intrigued by Boeser. Maybe Matthews/Knies can make a call beforehand to convince an American to come to Toronto.

I don't think his contract will be insane but could be wrong

 

[Amadeus]

It sucks he seems locked into to Minny but i'd be definitely intrigued by Boeser. Maybe Matthews/Knies can make a call beforehand to convince an American to come to Toronto.

I don't think his contract will be insane but could be wrong

Would prefer Ehlers to Boeser.

 

[weems]

I wouldn't be mad at signing Ehlers or playing him with Matthews- but the EA idea that Matthews is better off with a Marner type playmaker is false imo. Give Matthews 2 running mates that can both shoot and take takes pucks to the net and suddenly they wont need world class visiom to get him open looks because the other team wont be able to double / cheat towards AM without getting burned

I think this is an interesting topic.
With Mitch, as dynamic as the two are, does Matthews fall too much into that "sniper" role and he's always trying to find that quiet spot in the Ozone where Mitch can find him. Put him with two lesser skilled players and it forces him to carry the puck more and play more of a traditional heavy center game where he's downlow more and driving the play. Matthews/Marner were a great combo but it will be interesting to see how Matthews game potentially changes when he isn't playing alongside a 100pt winger who's a setup specialist.