Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Americanadian]

It would allow us to move Rielly in a separate deal. Girard basically just replaces Rielly in the lineup. Rielly for Kadri?

I don't see why Calgary would ever accept that nor do I see why Rielly would accept that. I am just proceeding with the info that Rielly doesn't waive under any circumstances.

 

[TMLAM34]

I don't see why Calgary would ever accept that nor do I see why Rielly would accept that. I am just proceeding with the info that Rielly doesn't waive under any circumstances.

I’d even be fine with something around Rielly for Coleman. But yeah, I would only do that deal if we knew Rielly was out the door.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Would Leafs fans consider:

To TO:
Colton
Girard
Wood

To Col:
Benoit
Laughton
2027 2nd

I mean it's a fair proposal, and I'd do it, but Berube wouldn't know what to do with Girard.

 

[Torontonian]

I really hope Marchand resigns with FLA already to stop this nonsense of people think paying a 37 year old 8m for 4 years is a good idea.

 

[TMLAM34]

I really hope Marchand resigns with FLA already to stop this nonsense of people think paying a 37 year old 8m for 4 years is a good idea.

Amen.

 

[ULF_55]

He's 37 so right where even the best players hit the cliff and what if he doesn't LTIR? Way too old for a 4 year deal IMO.

Don't think you can LTIR a player on a 35+ deal.

Tanev is not a 35+ deal.
Tavares would not be a 35+ deal.

 

[Americanadian]

Don't think you can LTIR a player on a 35+ deal.

Tanev is not a 35+ deal.
Tavares would not be a 35+ deal.

You absolutely can. You can LTIR anybody that is injured. You don't get punished for signing an 35+ player and they get injured. They punish you for signing an 35+ player to a long-term deal to lower AAV and then the player retires instead of playing out the full term.

So long as the player is actually injured it is fair game.

 

[Americanadian]

I really hope Marchand resigns with FLA already to stop this nonsense of people think paying a 37 year old 8m for 4 years is a good idea.

The video of him from last night gives me hope that they re-sign him.

 

[ULF_55]

You absolutely can. You can LTIR anybody that is injured. You don't get punished for signing an 35+ player and they get injured. They punish you for signing an 35+ player to a long-term deal to lower AAV and then the player retires instead of playing out the full term.

So long as the player is actually injured it is fair game.

35+ Contracts and LTIR:

• Retirement:
  If a player who signed a contract after turning 35 retires, their entire cap hit remains on the team's books, even if they are on LTIR.

In the NHL, players on contracts signed at age 35 or older (as of June 30th prior to the start of the contract) have specific rules regarding Long-Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) and their cap hit. If a player on a 35+ contract is placed on LTIR, their full salary and bonus structure still counts against the team's salary cap, with a small exception for minor league play. This differs from other players, where teams can exceed the cap by the amount of a player's salary on LTIR.

 

[ACC1224]

Part of me used to wonder why people booed Bettman so much. Now I know. He's a dishonest slimeball with an agenda.

Of course he has an Agenda, he’s the league’s Commissioner

 

[Rare Jewel]

I really hope Marchand resigns with FLA already to stop this nonsense of people think paying a 37 year old 8m for 4 years is a good idea.

Based on what we've seen of him, he could really help this team for at least the next two years.

I've said in a previous posts, I hope they make it more palatable by using signing bonuses (both upfront and achievement-based) to keep the AAV down, but I'd rather put the money toward him than the run it back option with Tavares.


Also, if you're a 97 Kool-Aid guy, signing him, I think, is a good step in building a case if it comes to it.

 

[Americanadian]

35+ Contracts and LTIR:

• Retirement:
  If a player who signed a contract after turning 35 retires, their entire cap hit remains on the team's books, even if they are on LTIR.

This is for players that retire only. If they don't retire this wouldn't apply.

In the NHL, players on contracts signed at age 35 or older (as of June 30th prior to the start of the contract) have specific rules regarding Long-Term Injured Reserve (LTIR) and their cap hit. If a player on a 35+ contract is placed on LTIR, their full salary and bonus structure still counts against the team's salary cap, with a small exception for minor league play. This differs from other players, where teams can exceed the cap by the amount of a player's salary on LTIR.

I am reading the CBA right now and this is on page 467:

"Amounts of Salary and Bonuses earned in the League Year by a Player whois in the second or later year(s) of a multi-year SPC which was signed when thePlayer was aged 35 or older (as of June 30 of the League in which the SPCbecome effective), regardless of whether, or where, the Player was playing,except to the extent the Player was playing under his SPC in the minor leagues,in which case only the Player Salary and Bonuses in excess of $100,000 should be included in your Club's Actual Club Salary"

This doesn't sound different from the way LTIR works for all players.

 

[Roo]

Feel free to chime in with ideas.

I don’t have much to offer right now. I’m stumped, which is why I am concerned about this offseason. Lots of desire for Marchand right now and while I can see how he’s done in the playoffs, I don’t see this as a good path for us.

Hopefully the pros see some avenues for us. For me, the UFA class sucks. Feels like we are destined to take a step back this season.

 

[Smif]

Didn't say the top 6 isn't in need of improvement, but the easiest place in F.A to find value is in lower contracts.
I.E you sign Jeannout, if he meshes well and goes back to where he was a few years ago (300+ hits, +-20G, +-40 points) you might be getting 4+m in value for a guy your paying sub 2m. If he just keeps being a 10-10 hard hitting forechecker, you haven't overpaid him at all.

Does a Bastian - Laughton - Jeannot line do more for you from a flow perspective than what we had last year? For (I believe) less than Kampf and Jarnkrok you get a much more purpose built piss missile line. Both big bodies who throw a ton of hits, can fight, and have upside.

I'm expecting B. Tanev to be on the 4th line imo. Can Bastian and Jeannot PK? We really need to have a 4th line that can contribute on the PK in some capacity. At this point we might struggle there without Marner and Lorentz.

 

[ULF_55]

This is for players that retire only. If they don't retire this wouldn't apply.

I am reading the CBA right now and this is on page 467:

"Amounts of Salary and Bonuses earned in the League Year by a Player whois in the second or later year(s) of a multi-year SPC which was signed when thePlayer was aged 35 or older (as of June 30 of the League in which the SPCbecome effective), regardless of whether, or where, the Player was playing,except to the extent the Player was playing under his SPC in the minor leagues,in which case only the Player Salary and Bonuses in excess of $100,000 should be included in your Club's Actual Club Salary"

This doesn't sound different from the way LTIR works for all players.

I think you can now buy-out the contract.

2020 CBA: New rules for 35+ contracts solve a few dilemmas

It’s all about LTIR, even though that’s never mentioned.

www.pensionplanpuppets.com

And the relevant CBA passage which is written in the form of a list of what does count against the salary cap:

All Player Salary and Bonuses earned in a League Year by a Player who is in the second or later year of a multi-year SPC which was signed when the Player was age 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective), but which Player is not on the Club’s Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non-Roster or Non-Roster, and regardless of whether, or where, the Player is playing, except to the extent the Player is playing under his SPC in the minor leagues, in which case only the Player Salary and Bonuses in excess of $100,000 shall count towards the calculation of Averaged Club Salary ...

Parsing out the meaning of this change: As long as the 35+ contract meets the conditions in the MOU, it won’t count fully against the cap if the player is no longer on the roster. In other words, if they’ve retired or been bought out.

Players on 35+ contracts can be bought out, despite a common belief that they cannot be. Patrick Marleau’s deal was, in fact, bought out. The salary owed is reduced according to the buyout formula, and until now, the full amount of the AAV remained on a team’s salary cap calculation for the full term of the deal unlike with other buyouts.

Under these new rules, the Leafs still couldn’t have bought out Marleau because his deal had signing bonuses in all years. But under these rules, it’s entirely possible that contract would not have been formulated that way.

Has the NHL done much to really deal with the trading in dead money deals? Likely not a lot, at least not until all deals on the books were signed under these rules, with an eye to either accepting they’re buyout-proof by giving them a structure that doesn’t meet the conditions above, or to holding that option open if the player declines beyond his value before the contract ends by conforming to those conditions.

 

[Americanadian]

I think you can now buy-out the contract.

2020 CBA: New rules for 35+ contracts solve a few dilemmas

It’s all about LTIR, even though that’s never mentioned.

www.pensionplanpuppets.com

And the relevant CBA passage which is written in the form of a list of what does count against the salary cap:

All Player Salary and Bonuses earned in a League Year by a Player who is in the second or later year of a multi-year SPC which was signed when the Player was age 35 or older (as of June 30 prior to the League Year in which the SPC is to be effective), but which Player is not on the Club’s Active Roster, Injured Reserve, Injured Non-Roster or Non-Roster, and regardless of whether, or where, the Player is playing, except to the extent the Player is playing under his SPC in the minor leagues, in which case only the Player Salary and Bonuses in excess of $100,000 shall count towards the calculation of Averaged Club Salary ...

Parsing out the meaning of this change: As long as the 35+ contract meets the conditions in the MOU, it won’t count fully against the cap if the player is no longer on the roster. In other words, if they’ve retired or been bought out.

Players on 35+ contracts can be bought out, despite a common belief that they cannot be. Patrick Marleau’s deal was, in fact, bought out. The salary owed is reduced according to the buyout formula, and until now, the full amount of the AAV remained on a team’s salary cap calculation for the full term of the deal unlike with other buyouts.

Under these new rules, the Leafs still couldn’t have bought out Marleau because his deal had signing bonuses in all years. But under these rules, it’s entirely possible that contract would not have been formulated that way.

Has the NHL done much to really deal with the trading in dead money deals? Likely not a lot, at least not until all deals on the books were signed under these rules, with an eye to either accepting they’re buyout-proof by giving them a structure that doesn’t meet the conditions above, or to holding that option open if the player declines beyond his value before the contract ends by conforming to those conditions.

Normal SPC’s on LTIR are also counted against the clubs actual salary though.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Of course he has an Agenda, he’s the league’s Commissioner

Not an open agenda. I prefer transparency.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Friedman mentioning leafs could be looking at a defenseman for forward trade.

Morgan Rielly(5 years at 7.5 cap hit)for Nazem Kadri(4 years left at 7 cap hit)

I think there’s a chance Rielly uses his NTC but if he doesn’t it frees up a dman spot and gets us center depth. We can still and go sign Ekblad or another defenseman like Burns/Provorov/Orolov. Still have cap space to sign another center and add forward depth.

 

[Smif]

I felt in the playoffs our 4th line was the most consistent for the entire playoffs.

They did their job

The 3rd line was garbage

The 2nd line and 1st line did little against Florida

It was the first time our 4th line had an identity. It was pretty much exactly what you want when you're constructing a 4th line.

 

[PromisedLand]

LOL

 

[Jozay]

I really hope Marchand resigns with FLA already to stop this nonsense of people think paying a 37 year old 8m for 4 years is a good idea.

Have to agree but it seems like FLA isn’t dumb enough and Treliving is ready to do it.

Would be nice to have smart, shrewd and disciplined front office

 

[Torontonian]

Have to agree but it seems like FLA isn’t dumb enough and Treliving is ready to do it.

Would be nice to have smart, shrewd and disciplined front office

Just because you have capspace, shouldn't mean you spend it stupidly and hand out bad contracts..

I've always been under the umbrella, you build the team through draft (We have) & trade.. Then you fill the holes via FA.. Not try to build ur entire team via FA, it's a mistake waiting to happen.

 

[ACC1224]

Not an open agenda. I prefer transparency.

Grow the league and make the teams profitable. What else could it be?

 

[ULF_55]

Grow the league and make the teams profitable. What else could it be?

Don't have to market to the addicted, so you get more to try your 'product.'

 

[Kurtz]

Friedman mentioning leafs could be looking at a defenseman for forward trade.

Morgan Rielly(5 years at 7.5 cap hit)for Nazem Kadri(4 years left at 7 cap hit)

I think there’s a chance Rielly uses his NTC but if he doesn’t it frees up a dman spot and gets us center depth. We can still and go sign Ekblad or another defenseman like Burns/Provorov/Orolov. Still have cap space to sign another center and add forward depth.

Speaking of Calgary, they've got Rasmus Andersson on the block. They're pretty deep on RHD but could use a LHD.

I don't know if he waves for Calgary, but Morgan for Rasmus imo could make sense for both teams. Moves OEL back to his stronger side.