Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Americanadian]

Is Cirelli available or are you just speculating?

I am just speculating. They traded Sergachev right before his NTC kicked in and replaced him with McDonagh who they knew and trusted. They just signed Gourde who can easily play 3C and they have Geekie and Paul who can probably play 2C with elite wingers (Nylander and Hagel). They are apparently hot after Peterka for 2RW. JBB is a bold GM.

I think there are teams out there that could be appealing to Nylander. Any team who loses out on Marner would probably be interested in Nylander at a fraction of the price.

I don't know about centers but I think Nylander would consider some of these teams.

LA, Vegas, Carolina, Anaheim, Nashville, San Jose

What would you want from any of those teams though? I doubt Nylander goes to Anaheim.

 

[Gaberd2608]

Maybe 5-7, whether they have a center is another issue. But, I think it's quite unlikely he'll be moved the same summer Marner leaves, though.

It would be a good way to tell Shanny to f*** himself and reboot the DNA.

I don't think anyone on the Leafs is off limits. It really just comes down to the return.

If Brad could get Werenski for Nylander as an example I think he would move him in an instant.

 

[TMLAM34]

Maybe 5-7, whether they have a center is another issue. But, I think it's quite unlikely he'll be moved the same summer Marner leaves, though.

It would be one way to really change the DNA of this team. Would hate to see Nylander traded but I wouldn’t be completely against it depending on the return.

 

[Skullz]

What’s with the trading Nylander talk? He was 2nd in goals this year. We are losing Marner and possibly Tavares.

While the core is flawed, you cannot win without talent. Trading Nylander would require an insane return.

 

[Americanadian]

What’s with the trading Nylander talk? He was 2nd in goals this year. We are losing Marner and possibly Tavares.

While the core is flawed, you cannot win without talent. Trading Nylander would require an insane return.

I made one proposal where the Leafs get a longterm elite 2C in return and 5M in cap savings going forward.

 

[Americanadian]

Maybe 5-7, whether they have a center is another issue. But, I think it's quite unlikely he'll be moved the same summer Marner leaves, though.

Definitely not likely. Just a proposal.

 

[rumman]

I understand it, It's you who doesn't get it... They can score in the regular season, but come playoff times they all go goalless. .. That cannot happen.. Then you talk about the core4...

I don’t see the core 4 lighting shit up in the playoffs either, but perhaps what your watching is in a alternate universe?

 

[Rare Jewel]

It would be a good way to tell Shanny to f*** himself and reboot the DNA.

I don't think anyone on the Leafs is off limits. It really just comes down to the return.

If Brad could get Werenski for Nylander as an example I think he would move him in an instant.

Yeah, it could, but it's quite a lot of offence going out the door, that all.

And if you're target is defencemen, you've still need a plan to replace the wingers and with like 190ish points going out with Marner and Nylander.

 

[Americanadian]

It would be one way to really change the DNA of this team. Would hate to see Nylander traded but I wouldn’t be completely against it depending on the return.

If you can turn 11.5 for Nylander into 14.75 for Cirelli and Ekblad you’re allocating your money to signicantly more important positions.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Controversial trade idea:

Toronto
Woll
Robertson

Edmonton
S. Skinner
E. Kane
2nd in 2026


Why Toronto does it
-E. Kane won't be free. He played quite well in the playoffs before he shit the bed in the cup finals. An intense power forward at a 5.1 caphit for one year will garner some interest from a bunch of teams. We need to give something up. We need him though. One of the few "trade low" options left. If he's a prick, don't sign him next summer.
-Woll is good, but is he really that much better than Skinner? Sell high. Edmonton may see him as a big upgrade. They're very desperate. Woll is also injury prone and clearly a step below Stolarz. Sign Stolarz for a few years to match our contention window. We have some money now. We can pay him. Also, Skinner is only 26. He had some brilliant games and some absolute stinkers. He has the potential to be a very solid goalie as he keeps maturing. Maybe different scenery would help him too. I can imagine how intimidating it was facing McDrai in the locker room. He's probably built some mental toughness through those experiences.
-Because Edmonton is so desperate for a goalie and so desperate to please McDavid, we squeeze the 2nd out of them in this deal as well. We slowly start to replenish our empty cupboards.
-The total cost for us is only 2 million dollars more than if we kept the original players.

Why Edmonton does it
-Like I said, they need a goalie change. Woll has a good reputation. He may also improve as he matures. A good gamble on the Oilers part. Possibly the only good goaltender they may be able to get in the summer. They're very desperate. McDavid ain't playing.
-Robertson provides them with offense. He has speed too. Put him beside McDavid and a responsible defensive player and you may have something there. McDavid feeds him a beautiful pass, he scores.
-We sign and trade Robertson at a very reasonable cost.
-Edmonton ends up saving up 3 million in total. Money they desperately need.

 

[Skullz]

Controversial trade idea:

Toronto
Woll
Robertson

Edmonton
S. Skinner
E. Kane
2nd in 2026


Why Toronto does it
-E. Kane won't be free. He played quite well in the playoffs before he shit the bed in the cup finals. An intense power forward at a 5.1 caphit for one year will garner some interest from a bunch of teams. We need to give something up. We need him though. One of the few "trade low" options left. If he's a prick, don't sign him next summer.
-Woll is good, but is he really that much better than Skinner? Sell high. Edmonton may see him as a big upgrade. They're very desperate. Woll is also injury prone and clearly a step below Stolarz. Sign Stolarz for a few years to match our contention window. We have some money now. We can pay him. Also, Skinner is only 26. He had some brilliant games and some absolute stinkers. He has the potential to be a very solid goalie as he keeps maturing. Maybe different scenery would help him too. I can imagine how intimidating it was facing McDrai in the locker room. He's probably built some mental toughness through those experiences.
-Because Edmonton is so desperate for a goalie and so desperate to please McDavid, we squeeze the 2nd out of them in this deal as well. We slowly start to replenish our empty cupboards.
-The total cost for us is only 2 million dollars more than if we kept the original players.

Why Edmonton does it
-Like I said, they need a goalie change. Woll has a good reputation. He may also improve as he matures. A good gamble on the Oilers part. Possibly the only good goaltender they may be able to get in the summer. They're very desperate. McDavid ain't playing.
-Robertson provides them with offense. He has speed too. Put him beside McDavid and a responsible defensive player and you may have something there. McDavid feeds him a beautiful pass, he scores.
-We sign and trade Robertson at a very reasonable cost.
-Edmonton ends up saving up 3 million in total. Money they desperately need.

I don’t hate the players you’re acquiring, but I think I would keep Woll unless it was for a bigger piece.

I suspect Kane can be had for very little.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Definitely not likely. Just a proposal.

Yeah, and I'm not opposed to anything really at this point. But I don't see Tampa as the fit for Nylander in particular.

Vancouver, to possibly test how anxious they are with Hughes on the other hand...

 

[rumman]

I think he's being overrated now.

What exactly did he bring in the just completed playoffs?

I like him, but let's give him another couple years to see if he can move into the "Follow me!' player.

Smart move would be to bridge him even if it costs more later. Last season was a breakout for him, lets see if that effort can be consistently maintained. Everyone thought not inking 34 to max term was a miss while in retrospect Bubbles’ incompetence will turn out to be a saving grace for the team……..

 

[rumman]

Let’s not start this again. Short term deals on high salary to grab another high salary in a few years. Hard to plan a team that exceeds its cap hit when you are going that.
And if you want a winner you need to have a group of great contracts to put even more guys around.
Trade him if that’s the case and purge everyone with the old Marleau mentality getting passed around.

If it was possible, I’d give this two thumbs up……..

 

[Americanadian]

Yeah, it could, but it's quite a lot of offence going out the door, that all.

And if you're target is defencemen, you've still need a plan to replace the wingers and with like 190ish points going out with Marner and Nylander.

You don't need to replace 100% of the offense out the door. The Leafs scored 21 more goals than the Panthers in the regular season with Matthews putting up a career low in goals.

 

[Americanadian]

Controversial trade idea:

Toronto
Woll
Robertson

Edmonton
S. Skinner
E. Kane
2nd in 2026


Why Toronto does it
-E. Kane won't be free. He played quite well in the playoffs before he shit the bed in the cup finals. An intense power forward at a 5.1 caphit for one year will garner some interest from a bunch of teams. We need to give something up. We need him though. One of the few "trade low" options left. If he's a prick, don't sign him next summer.
-Woll is good, but is he really that much better than Skinner? Sell high. Edmonton may see him as a big upgrade. They're very desperate. Woll is also injury prone and clearly a step below Stolarz. Sign Stolarz for a few years to match our contention window. We have some money now. We can pay him. Also, Skinner is only 26. He had some brilliant games and some absolute stinkers. He has the potential to be a very solid goalie as he keeps maturing. Maybe different scenery would help him too. I can imagine how intimidating it was facing McDrai in the locker room. He's probably built some mental toughness through those experiences.
-Because Edmonton is so desperate for a goalie and so desperate to please McDavid, we squeeze the 2nd out of them in this deal as well. We slowly start to replenish our empty cupboards.
-The total cost for us is only 2 million dollars more than if we kept the original players.

Why Edmonton does it
-Like I said, they need a goalie change. Woll has a good reputation. He may also improve as he matures. A good gamble on the Oilers part. Possibly the only good goaltender they may be able to get in the summer. They're very desperate. McDavid ain't playing.
-Robertson provides them with offense. He has speed too. Put him beside McDavid and a responsible defensive player and you may have something there. McDavid feeds him a beautiful pass, he scores.
-We sign and trade Robertson at a very reasonable cost.
-Edmonton ends up saving up 3 million in total. Money they desperately need.

I do think Kane and Skinner are both in cap dump territory.

 

[Americanadian]

Yeah, and I'm not opposed to anything really at this point. But I don't see Tampa as the fit for Nylander in particular.

Vancouver, to possibly test how anxious they are with Hughes on the other hand...

What do you want in return from Vancouver? Hughes? Then the Leafs just have another LHD but now the asset you got for Nylander is basically a lock to leave in 2 years.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

I don’t hate the players you’re acquiring, but I think I would keep Woll unless it was for a bigger piece.

I suspect Kane can be had for very little.

Gotcha.

One of the reasons I proposed this is because Friedman recently said that there is a market for Kane. I was taking that comment into account when making this deal.

I would prefer Robertson for E.Kane. Much simpler.

 

[Roo]

Most of the suggestions being posted here make the team worse, in my opinion.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

I do think Kane and Skinner are both in cap dump territory.

You may be right, but there may be some interest from some teams too. Skinner is pretty cheap (2.6). He's signed for one more year so he may be desperate and play better.

If you're right, you can always expand the trade to extract more. Maybe we add Villeneuve for Walman.

 

[aingefan]

Friedman is reporting that NJD will let Glass walk. I think he’s certainly worth bringing in on a cheap deal.

Has lots of injury issues but brings us a right shooting center who can score when he’s healthy.

Low risk.

I might be in the minority, but I think adding a couple of injury prone guys as placeholders is fine as a strategy to transition in young players. Given their spot in their win cycle, the Leafs are unlikely to ‘plan’ for either to start with the team, but can get a chance as next man up.
So, Patches and Glass (maybe find a better C) works for me, with Jacob and Easton their eventual replacements.

 

[Rare Jewel]

What do you want in return from Vancouver? Hughes? Then the Leafs just have another LHD but now the asset you got for Nylander is basically a lock to leave in 2 years.

If the team is competitive, I'd like our chances of retaining him. He spent a lot of his youth here, so...

Also, I wouldn't rule out Rielly also being part of the deal as well, and if you're getting Hughes, you would find a way to make the other parts work.

 

[Americanadian]

You may be right, but there may be some interest from some teams too. Skinner is pretty cheap (2.6). He's signed for one more year so he may be desperate and play better.

If you're right, you can always expand the trade to extract more. Maybe we add Villeneuve for Walman.

I would think the trade would be better if you excluded Kane and brought back O'Reilly. Would you rather Kane or Marchand in UFA?

 

[Americanadian]

If the team is competitive, I'd like our chances of retaining him. He spent a lot of his youth here, so...

Also, I wouldn't rule out Rielly also being part of the deal as well, but if you're getting Hughes, you would find a way to make the other part work.

If you can get Hughes, with commitment, for Nylander and Rielly then it's a no brainer.

I am skeptical about the Hughes commitment. I am also skeptical Nylander waives for Vancouver if Hughes is on the way out and they have no chance of making the playoffs.

 

[Mitch nylander]

If you can turn 11.5 for Nylander into 14.75 for Cirelli and Ekblad you’re allocating your money to signicantly more important positions.

This would be disastrous.

Ekblad is beyond washed, and likely going to be significantly overpaid. CIrelliy albeit is a good 2c, but you're looking at a slightly better offensively version of Matt Stajan.

Huge step back. You can't lose two 90-100 point players in Nylander and Marner, and expect to have good results.

If you move Nylander, you need to be getting either a top line forward with 100 point potential, or a top pair d.