Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[mydnyte]

Do you genuinely know anything about Foerster or Hathaway?

Foerster is basically Sam Reinhart light. Down to the speed, size, position. He is an elite defensive RW who scores a ton of goals and is only 23 and signed for a bargain deal. He is nothing like Cowan. Cowan is unlikely to be a full time NHLer and he is unlikely to ever be an elite defensive presence in the NHL. Luckily Philly probably values Cowan more than any other team in the league and could be swayed by this deal.

Hathaway is probably the best 4RW in the league and has been for about 5 years. He has consistently been elite defensively while providing averaging 11 goals/82 GP the last 5 years. He is also one of the toughest guys in the league. He is also signed for 2 more years.

If you don't like Talbot then all the power to you but he has played 101 games over the last 2 seasons, 16 more than Woll has played in his career. He posted 17 GSAx in 47GP last season compared to Woll's 18.5 GSAx in 42GP. Their seasons were much closer than they appeared.

If you think Jarnkrok gets draft picks then all the power to you.

lets just say i do not agree with your take on any of the players involved.
and FYI Toronto values Cowen more than any other team in the league.

 

[Americanadian]

It's a funny world.

Couturier, coming off seasons of 45 and 38 points, at Five years at $7.75 mil, is a bounce back person we should pursue, while being one of the slowest skaters in the league, at 21.38 mph, and non-physical. After missing time due to back issues.


While Zbad coming off seasons of 62 and 72 points, at five years at $8.5 mil, after putting up 33 points, in his final 31 games, while being younger, an above average skater, and more physical... is a bad bet?

Couturier increased his offensive output year over year since returning from injury and is still a positive defensive player. Zibanejad has seen back to back drops in production while turning into a negative defensive player.

You say younger but we're talking about <5 months.

 

[Americanadian]

Foerster and Hathaway would be nice additions, but I just don't see Philly moving them.

I think of all teams in the league Philly would like Cowan the most and Woll the most. I can see them wanting to keep Cowan and Barkey together in the AHL next year then the NHL going forward.

They are also the team with the worst goaltending in the league and no real options (maybe Demko). Woll is young enough to fit their timeline and he's signed for 3 more seasons. I can see them valuing that a ton and even bringing in Demko to pair with him. I believe when Woll was drafted there were reports that he was close with Demko because of their BC connection despite them never playing together.

 

[JKG33]

It's a funny world.

Couturier, coming off seasons of 45 and 38 points, at Five years at $7.75 mil, is a bounce back person we should pursue, while being one of the slowest skaters in the league, at 21.38 mph, and non-physical. After missing time due to back issues.


While Zbad coming off seasons of 62 and 72 points, at five years at $8.5 mil, after putting up 33 points, in his final 31 games, while being younger, an above average skater, and more physical... is a bad bet?

Couturier is still a great shutdown matchup type C. With him I'm not worried about points. You let him take the burden defensively so Matthews can focus more on offense, and then the other center being Tavares should tilt most matchups in your favor.

I'm not convinced Zibanejad is still a C, and he needed Miller to be productive

 

[Americanadian]

lets just say i do not agree with your take on any of the players involved.

I'm curious why you think Foerster is just a taller Cowan. What similarities do you see in their game?

and FYI Toronto values Cowen more than any other team in the league.

They almost traded him at the deadline with Minten, the 26 1st and the 27 1st for Rantanen. He's definitely not untouchable in Toronto.

 

[mydnyte]

It's a funny world.

Couturier, coming off seasons of 45 and 38 points, at Five years at $7.75 mil, is a bounce back person we should pursue, while being one of the slowest skaters in the league, at 21.38 mph, and non-physical. After missing time due to back issues.


While Zbad coming off seasons of 62 and 72 points, at five years at $8.5 mil, after putting up 33 points, in his final 31 games, while being younger, an above average skater, and more physical... is a bad bet?

his wife has squashed any rumors they will accept a trade, they just bought a new house in NY

 

[WTFMAN99]

Couturier is still a great shutdown matchup type C. With him I'm not worried about points. You let him take the burden defensively so Matthews can focus more on offense, and then the other center being Tavares should tilt most matchups in your favor.

I'm not convinced Zibanejad is still a C, and he needed Miller to be productive

Couturier is a good player, durability concerns are kind of there but he'd be an awesome 3C, depending on the cost.

Domi would need to be in the deal.

 

[Americanadian]

Would Philly be motivated to move off Couturier given their lack of C depth and lack of cap concerns and would Couturier be willing to waive for Toronto?

If Philly decided to move him I could see a mutual fit between him and Montreal.

 

[TMLAM34]

Do you genuinely know anything about Foerster or Hathaway?

Foerster is basically Sam Reinhart light. Down to the speed, size, position. He is an elite defensive RW who scores a ton of goals and is only 23 and signed for a bargain deal. He is nothing like Cowan. Cowan is unlikely to be a full time NHLer and he is unlikely to ever be an elite defensive presence in the NHL. Luckily Philly probably values Cowan more than any other team in the league and could be swayed by this deal.

Hathaway is probably the best 4RW in the league and has been for about 5 years. He has consistently been elite defensively while providing averaging 11 goals/82 GP the last 5 years. He is also one of the toughest guys in the league. He is also signed for 2 more years.

If you don't like Talbot then all the power to you but he has played 101 games over the last 2 seasons, 16 more than Woll has played in his career. He posted 17 GSAx in 47GP last season compared to Woll's 18.5 GSAx in 42GP. Their seasons were much closer than they appeared.

If you think Jarnkrok gets draft picks then all the power to you.

I wanted Foerster at the draft so bad. Would absolutely love to acquire him somehow. It would definitely take a Woll + Cowan package but I think I still pull the trigger. Don’t think we get Hathaway but maybe a pick? Based off a trade like that maybe something along the lines of this would work,


To Toronto: Tyson Foerster + 2025 PHI 3rd Round Draft Pick
To Philadelphia: Joseph Woll + Easton Cowan

To Toronto: Martin Pospisil
To Calgary: Bobby McMann

To Toronto: Mika Zibanejad
To Rangers: Simon Benoit + Nick Robertson


UFA SIGNINGS:
Tanner Jeannot - 5 years, 2.85 million per
Taylor Raddysh - 2 years, 1.85 million per
Nick Perbix - 4 years, 2.75 million per
Dan Vladar - 2 years, 2.25 million per


Domi(3.75) - Matthews(13.25) - Foerster(3.75)
Knies(7.2) - Zibanejad(8.5) - Nylander(11.5)
Laughton(1.5) - Tavares(5) - Raddysh(1.85)
Jeannot(2.85) - Holmberg(1.35) - Pospisil(1)
Pacioretty(0.85)

Rielly(7.5) - Carlo(3.49)
McCabe(4.51) - Tanev(4.5)
Ekman Larsson(3.5) - Perbix(2.75)
Myers(0.85)

Stolarz(2.5) - Vladar(2.25)

Cap Hit: 94.2
Cap Space: 1.3

 

[Fogelhund]

Couturier is still a great shutdown matchup type C. With him I'm not worried about points. You let him take the burden defensively so Matthews can focus more on offense, and then the other center being Tavares should tilt most matchups in your favor.

I'm not convinced Zibanejad is still a C, and he needed Miller to be productive

There were 22 goals scored last year, when Miller and Zbad were on the ice together... somehow, Zbad managed 62 points anyway. Clearly AT LEAST 40 points were scored, when Miller wasn't on the ice with Zbad, almost as much as Couts scored in total. Somehow Zbad was useful the year before, without Miller. This narrative that he needs Miller to be productive is just false.

A shutdown C, is not worth $7.75 mil per season.... you just don't pay that. He managed just 45 points, with Konecny and Michkov. What do you think Couts puts up, without players the caliber of Konecny or Michkov.... 20 points?

Would I take Couts at 50%... sure, that would be good value. But I wouldn't want him for free at full pop.

 

[Fogelhund]

UFA SIGNINGS:
Tanner Jeannot - 5 years, 2.85 million per

Intangibles sure... but you don't allocate $2.85 mil to a guy who is going to put up around 14 points. That's just way too much. If it's around $1.5 mil, sure, I'd really like the guy... but not at double that.

 

[Fogelhund]

his wife has squashed any rumors they will accept a trade, they just bought a new house in NY

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[TMLAM34]

Intangibles sure... but you don't allocate $2.85 mil to a guy who is going to put up around 14 points. That's just way too much. If it's around $1.5 mil, sure, I'd really like the guy... but not at double that.

Jeannot is someone you’ll probably have to overpay to sign, there will probably be a decent bidding war unfortunately. If we can get him for under 2 million per, obviously I’d prefer that.

 

[mydnyte]

I'm curious why you think Foerster is just a taller Cowan. What similarities do you see in their game?

They almost traded him at the deadline with Minten, the 26 1st and the 27 1st for Rantanen. He's definitely not untouchable in Toronto.

Rant and Foerster are very different players. One is a proven Vet who is in his prime, and the other is a youngster who is in exactly the Flyers rebuild age bracket.
nobody is untouchable, but it took a star grade player to make him available (rumored anyways)

the actual rumor from Carolina was for Marner straight up

 

[Americanadian]

Rant and Foerster are very different players. One is a proven Vet who is in his prime, and the other is a youngster who is in exactly the Flyers rebuild age bracket.
nobody is untouchable, but it took a star grade player to make him available (rumored anyways)

Rantanen and Foerster are very different players for sure which is why I'm not proposing attaching 2 1st round picks and the Leafs 2nd best prospect to Cowan to make the trade happen. Foerster is still a legitimate top 6RW who is only getting better. As I mentioned earlier - I see Reinhart as a good comparable.

Philly also has the deepest RS RW pool in the league with Konecny, Tippett, Foerster, Brink, Hathaway. They are so deep they are forced to use one of them at LW, not to mention Michkov historically has played RW. They would be dealing from a position of strength.

The Flyers rebuild is missing three key elements - a 1C, 1G and 1D. They are not competing for anything until they get a legitimate 1C and probably a 2C. By the time they draft and develop those C's Sanheim will be well past 30 and most likely not a 1D. Their rebuild should probably be centered around Michkov who is only 20 (same draft as Cowan).

the actual rumor from Carolina was for Marner straight up

The actual rumor was once Marner turned down the deal they pivoted to Cowan+Minten+26 1st+27 1st and Carolina was going to take that if Rantanen didn't work out a contract with Dallas.

 

[Fogelhund]

Jeannot is someone you’ll probably have to overpay to sign, there will probably be a decent bidding war unfortunately. If we can get him for under 2 million per, obviously I’d prefer that.

Pay for what you are going to get, not the reputation. Find someone with a lesser reputation, who can do the same thing if that's the case.

Olivier just got $3 mil, for 32 points, and being far more useful than Jeannot... and most thought that was too much... but they have cap to burn, and he's a crowd favourite and brings far more to the table than Jeannot.

You just can't give this guy more than $2 mil...

 

[mydnyte]

The actual rumor was once Marner turned down the deal they pivoted to Cowan+Minten+26 1st+27 1st and Carolina was going to take that if Rantanen didn't work out a contract with Dallas.

this rumor was likely false, as the Leafs couldnt have fit it under the cap, and Marner wasnt waiving for anyone which would have been needed to fit Rantanen in.

 

[Americanadian]

this rumor was likely false, as the Leafs couldnt have fit it under the cap, and Marner wasnt waiving for anyone which would have been needed to fit Rantanen in.

Rantanen was 4.625M, Carlo+Laughton were 5M. They absolutely could have fit him under the cap.

 

[Fogelhund]

Common trades.

The Stanley Cup is over, so it's no longer taboo to make trades, and take spotlight away from the main stage.

The draft is June 27 and 28, 2025.
UFA is July 1st.

All the action happens in the next month.

 

[TML Dynasty]

I'm really warming up to the Coyle idea.

Knies - Matthews - Kane/Domi
XXX - Coyle - Nylander
Marchment - Tavares - C.Brown
Lorentz - Laughton - Raddysh/Tanev

Would probably be one of the better forward cores we've had since Matthews has been here. I don't know exactly were you go for LW2.

McMann for Coyle
Robertson for Marchment

Cowan gets an opportunity to take it

 

[WTFMAN99]

Common trades.

The Stanley Cup is over, so it's no longer taboo to make trades, and take spotlight away from the main stage.

The draft is June 27 and 28, 2025.
UFA is July 1st.

All the action happens in the next month.

2.1M cap space.

I think these are my most boring trades.

The Marchand contract is probably as rich as I can handle 2 years at basically 7M, after that it is a Marleau like risk.

I suppose the one area to think about over the course of the year will be top line wing with Domi and what our D will produce offensively.

If McDavid will only waive for Toronto, maybe we can get him for a 2nd at the TDL

 

[showtime8]

I wonder if there would be an opportunity to trade Jarnkrok to San Jose for Klim Kostin's RFA rights. He's a big body RW who made $2mill last season. Likeliness is that the Leafs wouldn't qualify him based on the 100%+ qualifying contract and they would try to get him at a contract of $900k - $1.25mil on a 2 year deal with hopes that you can get some value out of him on the 3rd line.

If you aren't able to sign him, then you at least off load Jarnkrok's ticket and fill out his production through free agency.

 

[weems]

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2.1M cap space.

I think these are my most boring trades.

The Marchand contract is probably as rich as I can handle 2 years at basically 7M, after that it is a Marleau like risk.

I suppose the one area to think about over the course of the year will be top line wing with Domi and what our D will produce offensively.

If McDavid will only waive for Toronto, maybe we can get him for a 2nd at the TDL

Donato is an interesting case.

Was this just a one year outlier or has he turned the corner and is legitimately a quality player?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Donato is an interesting case.

Was this just a one year outlier or has he turned the corner and is legitimately a quality player?

I forget who it was but they said he basically needs to play top 6, if he does then he can produce.

 

[JKG33]

I forget who it was but they said he basically needs to play top 6, if he does then he can produce.

I'd go Donato-Matthews-Domi. Get the most out of them. Not sure id be comfortable with him as a C