Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Torontonian]

Florida had Sturm at 2M in the press box and Vanecek at 3.4M on the bench. They also paid Yandle 1.25M this year.

They paid Knight 4.5M last year to not play a single game for the team and they paid Yandle 1.25M last year. They also have inefficient spend.

Well, every team spends inefficiently yes, (wouldn't call paying the backup goalies $ inefficacity, they been lucky Bob has been healthy these past 3 runs).

But the Panthers & other teams spend very efficiently compared to Toronto, that's the point. You can pay a 3 players on your 4th line 2.4m total, to provide you with more then what Toronto paid 9m for...

Toronto this off season desperately needs to spend minimal on the 4th line (a Lorentz - Holmberg - Patches line should cost them 3m max). And use the rest of the capspace to get good players and value on them (when was the last time you looked at Toronto in FA and say, for that money and what they brought to the team, it was good value?)

 

[thusk]

Good call - I was looking at Marchand's most common linemates and they were Coyle and Pastrnak but I see that they only spent 150 5v5 minutes together as a line.

they playes like 8-9 min together in playoff

 

[Torontonian]

This roster, with Knies @ 7.5m + JT at 5m, holmberg as 13th forward has 16m to get a RW1/LW2/C2.

Should be more then enough to make the team look way deeper. Enough of the bargin bin players filling important roles.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Hot damn

If we have the cap space, I’d do it for one year max. No way I’d want to pay that for multiple years at his age, even if we could use him. Priority is to get Knies signed first and then go from there.

 

[Americanadian]

Well, every team spends inefficiently yes, (wouldn't call paying the backup goalies $ inefficacity, they been lucky Bob has been healthy these past 3 runs).

But the Panthers & other teams spend very efficiently compared to Toronto, that's the point. You can pay a 3 players on your 4th line 2.4m total, to provide you with more then what Toronto paid 9m for...

Toronto this off season desperately needs to spend minimal on the 4th line (a Lorentz - Holmberg - Patches line should cost them 3m max). And use the rest of the capspace to get good players and value on them (when was the last time you looked at Toronto in FA and say, for that money and what they brought to the team, it was good value?)

I agree that Toronto spends inefficiently but I disagree that they should roll out a cheap 4th line. Greer and Gadjovich played less than 8 minutes per game during these playoffs. They were just filler players, which is fine when you get 68/60/57 points from your 1/2/3 lines in 23 games. There is a very limited chance that Toronto replicates that depth with the players available so they'd be better off running a very good 4th line that they can depend on for 12-14 minutes/night, instead of the <8 minutes that Florida got from theirs.

If they do spend on a 4th line you're hoping they target actual good players though. Not Reaves/Kampf/Jarnkrok. Players like Raddysh, Sissons, Tanev.

 

[Tony Romo]

I'm really warming up to the Coyle idea.

Knies - Matthews - Kane/Domi
XXX - Coyle - Nylander
Marchment - Tavares - C.Brown
Lorentz - Laughton - Raddysh/Tanev

Would probably be one of the better forward cores we've had since Matthews has been here. I don't know exactly were you go for LW2.

McMann for Coyle
Robertson for Marchment

 

[FerrisRox]

-Dube only if not guilty

I don't know how closely you are following this trial, but "not guilty" does not mean "innocent" by any stretch of the imagination and I don't want this piece of garbage representing my city in any way, shape or form.

The Maple Leafs shouldn't go anywhere near these guys.

 

[Rare Jewel]

If we have the cap space, I’d do it for one year max. No way I’d want to pay that for multiple years at his age, even if we could use him. Priority is to get Knies signed first and then go from there.

You're not likely to get him then.

I'd give him a term, but I'd want a fair bit of the contract to be bonus-dependent. It could get the cap number down, and if there are overages, then with the cap projected to go up, it shouldn't be too much of an issue.

 

[Menzinger]

What a trade made by Zito to acquire Seth Jones.

For awhile there was tons of debate if this guy was actually any good or not.

I know theres lots of talk about the tax advantage but this GM derserves some real credit for finding some of these players or buying when their value was low.

Our front office needs to up their game if we're going to dethrone them.

He has advantages to say the least but he's also probably the best GM in the league at the moment.

The Leafs needs to find their own Seth Jones who plays centre. A seemingly overpriced guy who they can acquire for cheap then turn around and get value

 

[Tony Romo]

What is the best player you think you could get with a Benoit + McMann package?

 

[mydnyte]

What is the best player you think you could get with a Benoit + McMann package?

why dont you suggest a player and we'll tell you if we think its possible.
Benoit = 6/7 d-man that struggles to get the puck out of the zone.
McMann late bloomer with good straight away speed, and a decent shot, but, otherwise useless.

 

[Americanadian]

What is the best player you think you could get with a Benoit + McMann package?

Unlikely to get a huge piece as a package but could fetch better players in 1-for-1s. Benoit to Colorado makes a ton of sense. I see Calgary having interest too. Maybe NYR.

McMann could be of interest to Tampa, Edmonton, Dallas.

If Colorado gets Toews I’d be all over Benoit for Drury.

 

[Tony Romo]

why dont you suggest a player and we'll tell you if we think its possible.
Benoit = 6/7 d-man that struggles to get the puck out of the zone.
McMann late bloomer with good straight away speed, and a decent shot, but, otherwise useless.

I didn't have anyone, hence why I asked the question.

 

[mydnyte]

I didn't have anyone, hence why I asked the question.

pick a team at random and play GM ...you should be able to find 2-3 players per team to fit that trade. nobody 'great' but, possibly someone decent, or an expensive cost cutting dump player.
like if the Av's get desperate to unload Coyle, because Coyle generally has much more value than those 2 players, but, those players are cheap and can fill a role

 

[JKG33]

The Leafs needs to find their own Seth Jones who plays centre. A seemingly overpriced guy who they can acquire for cheap then turn around and get value

The thing is Jones still cost Florida a pretty nice asset in Knight. Do the Leafs have an asset like Knight to trade?

Some names that come to mind:

Necas (is he a C? He's about to be overpaid)
Mittlestadt (Boston just got him, this would be his 3rd trade in less than 2 years)
Rossi
Mercer
Horvat
Zibanejad (gross)
Couturier
Hertl/Karlsson

Of those, the younger guys are pretty soft. Zibanejad we've discussed to death (DO NOT WANT), Horvat would probably cost too much. Couturier is a "damaged goods" type of player I'd love to take a chance on

 

[Americanadian]

The thing is Jones still cost Florida a pretty nice asset in Knight. Do the Leafs have an asset like Knight to trade?

Some names that come to mind:

Necas (is he a C? He's about to be overpaid)
Mittlestadt (Boston just got him, this would be his 3rd trade in less than 2 years)
Rossi
Mercer
Horvat
Zibanejad (gross)
Couturier
Hertl/Karlsson

Of those, the younger guys are pretty soft. Zibanejad we've discussed to death (DO NOT WANT), Horvat would probably cost too much. Couturier is a "damaged goods" type of player I'd love to take a chance on

After the season ended I speculated a 3-way deal where Rielly goes to X, player goes from X to Philly, Couturier goes to Toronto. I just don't know what that team X would be.

 

[Americanadian]

Making as little moves as possible:

Laughton+Benoit for Drury+Coyle
Woll+Cowan for Foerster+Hathaway
Kampf+Robertson+86OA for Talbot
Jarnkrok for future considerations

UFA:
Tanev 2Mx3
Raddysh 2Mx4
Perbix 2.5Mx4
Tavares 5Mx(?)

RFA:
Knies 6.5Mx3
Holmberg 1.25Mx2

Domi-Matthews-Foerster
Knies-Coyle-Nylander
McMann-Tavares-Raddysh
Tanev-Drury-Hathaway
Holmberg

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Perbix
Myers

Stolarz
Talbot

Cap space with 22 man roster: 3M

 

[JKG33]

After the season ended I speculated a 3-way deal where Rielly goes to X, player goes from X to Philly, Couturier goes to Toronto. I just don't know what that team X would be.

Thats a great thought, because Rielly was exactly the piece I thought could be of comparable value to Couturier. But no chance he'd waive for Philly.

Vancouver if they trade Hughes could be interested.
I wonder if Calgary and Huberdeau would take a divorce, Philly has some wingers he could dish the puck to

 

[Fogelhund]

Making as little moves as possible:

Laughton+Benoit for Drury+Coyle
Woll+Cowan for Foerster+Hathaway
Kampf+Robertson+86OA for Talbot
Jarnkrok for future considerations

UFA:
Tanev 2Mx3
Raddysh 2Mx4
Perbix 2.5Mx4
Tavares 5Mx(?)

RFA:
Knies 6.5Mx3
Holmberg 1.25Mx2

Domi-Matthews-Foerster
Knies-Coyle-Nylander
McMann-Tavares-Raddysh
Tanev-Drury-Hathaway
Holmberg

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Perbix
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

Cap space with 22 man roster: 3M

I like how you traded Woll, and put him in your roster.

 

[Americanadian]

I like how how traded Woll, and put him in your roster.

Brain fart. Meant to be Talbot.

 

[Americanadian]

Thats a great thought, because Rielly was exactly the piece I thought could be of comparable value to Couturier. But no chance he'd waive for Philly.

Vancouver if they trade Hughes could be interested.
I wonder if Calgary and Huberdeau would take a divorce, Philly has some wingers he could dish the puck to

Even If it were NYR and Zibanejad. All 3 players have 5 years left.

 

[mydnyte]

Making as little moves as possible:

Laughton+Benoit for Drury+Coyle
Woll+Cowan for Foerster+Hathaway
Kampf+Robertson+86OA for Talbot
Jarnkrok for future considerations

the middle 2 trades make zero sense

Forester is basically a taller version of what we expect Cowan to be, without the puck hound mentality and Hathaway is a 4th line bruiser.
Woll and Cowen are our 2 best assets

Tablot would be a 2.5 mil backup and is well past his prime, we can pick up a UFA for league min that can produce similar results.
Grab Allen or Forsberg for cheaper and they are just as good in a backup role. Tre may pref Vladar to those 2, and he'd also be cheap.

Jarn should go at the draft for picks, he is still a decent middle 6 player and not expensive

 

[Americanadian]

the middle 2 make zero sense
Forester is basically a taller version of what we expect Cowan to be, without the puck hound mentality and Hathaway is a 4th line bruiser.
Woll and Cowen are our 2 best assets
Tablot would be a 2.5 mil backup and is well past his prime, we can pick up a UFA for league min that can produce similar results.
Grab Allen or Forsberg for cheaper and they are just as good in a backup role. Tre may pref Vladar to those 2, and he'd also be cheap.

Jarn should go at the draft for picks, he is still a decent middle 6 player and not expensive

Do you genuinely know anything about Foerster or Hathaway?

Foerster is basically Sam Reinhart light. Down to the speed, size, position. He is an elite defensive RW who scores a ton of goals and is only 23 and signed for a bargain deal. He is nothing like Cowan. Cowan is unlikely to be a full time NHLer and he is unlikely to ever be an elite defensive presence in the NHL. Luckily Philly probably values Cowan more than any other team in the league and could be swayed by this deal.

Hathaway is probably the best 4RW in the league and has been for about 5 years. He has consistently been elite defensively while providing averaging 11 goals/82 GP the last 5 years. He is also one of the toughest guys in the league. He is also signed for 2 more years.

If you don't like Talbot then all the power to you but he has played 101 games over the last 2 seasons, 16 more than Woll has played in his career. He posted 17 GSAx in 47GP last season compared to Woll's 18.5 GSAx in 42GP. Their seasons were much closer than they appeared.

If you think Jarnkrok gets draft picks then all the power to you.

 

[Fogelhund]

It's a funny world.

Couturier, coming off seasons of 45 and 38 points, at Five years at $7.75 mil, is a bounce back person we should pursue, while being one of the slowest skaters in the league, at 21.38 mph, and non-physical. After missing time due to back issues.


While Zbad coming off seasons of 62 and 72 points, at five years at $8.5 mil, after putting up 33 points, in his final 31 games, while being younger, an above average skater, and more physical... is a bad bet?

 

[Fogelhund]

Do you genuinely know anything about Foerster or Hathaway?

Foerster is basically Sam Reinhart light. Down to the speed, size, position. He is an elite defensive RW who scores a ton of goals and is only 23 and signed for a bargain deal. He is nothing like Cowan. Cowan is unlikely to be a full time NHLer and he is unlikely to ever be an elite defensive presence in the NHL. Luckily Philly probably values Cowan more than any other team in the league and could be swayed by this deal.

Hathaway is probably the best 4RW in the league and has been for about 5 years. He has consistently been elite defensively while providing averaging 11 goals/82 GP the last 5 years. He is also one of the toughest guys in the league. He is also signed for 2 more years.

If you don't like Talbot then all the power to you but he has played 101 games over the last 2 seasons, 16 more than Woll has played in his career. He posted 17 GSAx in 47GP last season compared to Woll's 18.5 GSAx in 42GP. Their seasons were much closer than they appeared.

If you think Jarnkrok gets draft picks then all the power to you.

Foerster and Hathaway would be nice additions, but I just don't see Philly moving them.