Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Tony Romo]

Suter is interesting but for 4.5m you may as well see what Tavares ask is for him to come back. Tavares could probably be a decent winger later in his career.

 

[Avilaj07]

Suter is not what Tre is looking for. Bigger and faster is where I see them going.

Hockey will keep transitioning in this direction

Brad Marchand is 5'8 and 180 pounds and plays bigger then any of our guys. Sam Bennett is 6'1 and 193 pounds and just won the conn smythe. What good is size if you don't use it. Puis Suter is 5'11 and 185 pounds while being solid defensively and led the Canucks in goals 5 v 5.

 

[Fogelhund]

Did Jeannot have a very good season or something because I remember it wasn't that long ago that alot of this board was clowning on the guy for being a scrub.

He is nowhere near as valuable as what he was traded for, and his $2.655 contract was an overpay. Outside of his rookie season, he's been a 14-18 point guy, who is faster than average, big strong, plays with an edge, fights. I think we need one of those guys in the lineup, but one who doesn't hurt you at hockey. He's not great at hockey, but he's not a liability either. As long as the contract isn't an overpay, based on brand name, he's the type of guy I'd like to add to the lineup. $1.5 mil and below, and he can play on my team.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Let both Marner and Tavares walk

Trade all of Mcmann, Robertson, Kampf, Jarnkrok

Sign Marchand 3 yrs x 7.5 million
Sign Bennett 7 yrs x 8 million
Sign Suter 5 yrs x 4.5 million
Sign Tanev 4 yrs x 1.75 million
Sign Mangiapane 3 yrs x 3.5 million

To Toronto-
Crouse
Kesselring

To Utah-
Mcmann
Benoit
Danford

Marchand-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Bennett-Crouse
Domi-Suter-Mangiapane
Lorentz-Laughton-Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Kesselring
OEL-Carlo

I like a lot of this, but I just can't see Bennett coming here.

 

[Fogelhund]

Brad Marchand is 5'8 and 180 pounds and plays bigger then any of our guys. Sam Bennett is 6'1 and 193 pounds and just won the conn smythe. What good is size if you don't use it. Puis Suter is 5'11 and 185 pounds while being solid defensively and led the Canucks in goals 5 v 5.

Suter is a pretty slow hockey player, but he seems to understand that game very well, and is useful because of "hockey IQ". Always seems to be in the right place... BUT, he just had a career year, on a shooting percentage that likely reverts back to the mean, where he'll be mid to high 30's point producer again. At $3-3.5 mil, you'd be happy with Suter, but off a career year, and 18% shooting percentage, it wouldn't shock me to see him get close to $5mil... and that will be regrettable for whomever does it. The question being... are you getting him to be your 2C or your 3C... and if you commit to 3C, that probably means Tavares is your 2C for some time into the future. He isn't a real 2C though, that's for sure.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Kane was invisible in the finals. Not the answer

Well, it would only be for a year. Kind of a "show us what you can do" type of thing.

I think we have to take a lot chances next year. No choice.

 

[Fogelhund]

Let both Marner and Tavares walk

Trade all of Mcmann, Robertson, Kampf, Jarnkrok

Sign Marchand 3 yrs x 7.5 million
Sign Bennett 7 yrs x 8 million
Sign Suter 5 yrs x 4.5 million
Sign Tanev 4 yrs x 1.75 million
Sign Mangiapane 3 yrs x 3.5 million

To Toronto-
Crouse
Kesselring

To Utah-
Mcmann
Benoit
Danford

Marchand-Matthews-Nylander
Knies-Bennett-Crouse
Domi-Suter-Mangiapane
Lorentz-Laughton-Tanev

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Kesselring
OEL-Carlo

Bennett will extend in Florida.
Utah laughs at that proposal, hangs up the phone and blocks your number. It's not even close.
Suter is an overpay for a mid to high 30's point C.

McMann - 20 goals
Tavares - 38 goals
Robertson - 15 goals
Marner - 27 goals

Replaced with... Marchand 23 goals
Bennett 25 goals
Crouse 15 goals
Suter 15 goals
Mangiapane 14 goals

This is a team that is going to have a hard time scoring... They'd be physical though.

 

[The Shadow]

Brad Marchand is 5'8 and 180 pounds and plays bigger then any of our guys. Sam Bennett is 6'1 and 193 pounds and just won the conn smythe. What good is size if you don't use it. Puis Suter is 5'11 and 185 pounds while being solid defensively and led the Canucks in goals 5 v 5.

Yes but those guys are exceptions and I’d gladly take them in Toronto. Suter is not even in the same conversation as those guys

 

[Tony Romo]

God the more I think about that Laughton deal, I hate it.

We can easily build a pretty good top 9 in FA by signing wingers but have no assets to get a 2C unless it's a cap dump.

 

[Americanadian]

God the more I think about that Laughton deal, I hate it.

We can easily build a pretty good top 9 in FA by signing wingers but have no assets to get a 2C unless it's a cap dump.

I do wonder if there's interest from both sides on a Coyle for Laughton deal. Both teams paid a high price for each player to fill their 3C needs. Neither player worked out that well. Now Colorado needs to clear cap space and Toronto has cap space to burn.

Both are pending UFAs.

 

[Tony Romo]

I do wonder if there's interest from both sides on a Coyle for Laughton deal. Both teams paid a high price for each player to fill their 3C needs. Neither player worked out that well. Now Colorado needs to clear cap space and Toronto has cap space to burn.

I could also see them having interest in McMann as a cheap winger.

The Carlo deal I understand, but man trading a 1st rounder + a tops prospect for at best a 3rd line player is bad work.

Obviously tax is a huge help but I don't remember Florida doing something dumb like that. Tampa Bay did and it kind of set them back

 

[Duffman955]

He is nowhere near as valuable as what he was traded for, and his $2.655 contract was an overpay. Outside of his rookie season, he's been a 14-18 point guy, who is faster than average, big strong, plays with an edge, fights. I think we need one of those guys in the lineup, but one who doesn't hurt you at hockey. He's not great at hockey, but he's not a liability either. As long as the contract isn't an overpay, based on brand name, he's the type of guy I'd like to add to the lineup. $1.5 mil and below, and he can play on my team.

Jeannot is significantly better than anyone on Florida's 4th line, and brings just as much, if not more physically.

Gadjovic, Noesek, Greer

Would really like him to anchor the 4th line

 

[JKG33]

I do wonder if there's interest from both sides on a Coyle for Laughton deal. Both teams paid a high price for each player to fill their 3C needs. Neither player worked out that well. Now Colorado needs to clear cap space and Toronto has cap space to burn.

Both are pending UFAs.

Thats a good thought. I could see that being a very good deal for both teams.

I also think the Avs are big mad over how the season (and Rantanen situation) played out. They already made some big moves, but I could see them doing a few more.

Coyle, Colton, Wood, Necas, Girard..

 

[Tony Romo]

Thats a good thought. I could see that being a very good deal for both teams.

I also think the Avs are big mad over how the season (and Rantanen situation) played out. They already made some big moves, but I could see them doing a few more.

Coyle, Colton, Wood, Necas, Girard..

I'd be very intrigued by Coyle and Colton. Colton is better at wing, imo. But I like having guys who can play both in a pinch.

 

[Duffman955]

I do wonder if there's interest from both sides on a Coyle for Laughton deal. Both teams paid a high price for each player to fill their 3C needs. Neither player worked out that well. Now Colorado needs to clear cap space and Toronto has cap space to burn.

Both are pending UFAs.

That's a freaking good idea. Colorado saves cap and gets a cheaper 3C.

We get a more expensive but much more capable 2/3 C

 

[Americanadian]

Thats a good thought. I could see that being a very good deal for both teams.

I also think the Avs are big mad over how the season (and Rantanen situation) played out. They already made some big moves, but I could see them doing a few more.

Coyle, Colton, Wood, Necas, Girard..

What do you think about OEL for Moore?

 

[Duke16]

Yea my biggest question mark is how they get a C. I'd probably undo both deadline deals right now tbh to have Minten, Greb, and 2 1sts to make something happen there.

You can sign Mangiapane, R. Smith-types as FA's and can probably just put together packages like Robertson/McMann + Kokkonen/Niemela/Villeneuve + mid-late pick to acquire higher-priced wingers from capped out teams (Marchment, Barbashev, Bertuzzi etc)

Not too worried about achieving a layered F core on the wing, but that last Top 9 C spot is shaping up to be a huge question mark.

Could also get behind some type of tweak on D to add a puckmover. I would explore Rielly trades as well if he allowed it, but it's a non-starter until there's word of it. I think they could just move one of the bottom pair LHD and add a RH puckmover in their place.

 

[Tony Romo]

I could see McMann for Colton or Coyle working as well. Colorado may land Toews, has Drury as a C as well.

Laughton/McMann both can play wing and are much cheaper than Colton and Coyle

 

[Americanadian]

I could see McMann for Colton or Coyle working as well. Colorado may land Toews, has Drury as a C as well.

Laughton/McMann both can play wing and are much cheaper than Colton and Coyle

I was high on Colton but I question whether or not he's a C. I'd hate to move Laughton for someone that also can't play C. At least Coyle is for sure a C. He also comes with the flexibility of only having 1 year remaining. He's also a RS C which would be nice to have.

 

[4thline]

Hot take- don't write off Laughton at 2LW or 3C. His first stint didn't work out super well, but had he finished the year in Philly and expired to UFA as a ~35 point player he would be high up on most lists going into the offseason. It didn't work with him and our 2024-25 group- That doesn't mean he stopped being a top 9 player over night. We're going to have new personnel in the F group, the combos are going to change.

 

[TMLAM34]

I like Ross Colton but to pay him 4 million to play left wing on the third line doesn’t really make much sense does it? Especially when you’re probably already paying Tavares 4.5-5 million to play on the third line as well.

 

[Fogelhund]

I do wonder if there's interest from both sides on a Coyle for Laughton deal. Both teams paid a high price for each player to fill their 3C needs. Neither player worked out that well. Now Colorado needs to clear cap space and Toronto has cap space to burn.

Both are pending UFAs.

Laughton 2 goals, 4 assists in 33 games for us. This is a guy, who should be closer to 15 points in that many games. He's sure had his struggles here, and I was not interested in picking him up at all. I think he "should" rebound, and at least be a decent 4th liner here, and at $1.5 mil he provides value... but if it returns Coyle, that's something we should consider. Adding Coyle, might be attractive to a guy like Marchand, if we are targeting him, as they've played together, and well in the past... Marchand/Coyle/Nylander could make for an interesting second line.

 

[The Shadow]

The more I watch these Florida guys talk about their playoffs and the team they have I can’t lie. It’s damn intimidating

I don’t think the leafs have a remote chance of beating them as they just seem to be getting better

Look at their top guys and how they performed and look at ours

We can’t come close to how hard those guys work in the playoffs and how they perform

 

[Gallagbi]

Hot take- don't write off Laughton at 2LW or 3C. His first stint didn't work out super well, but had he finished the year in Philly and expired to UFA as a ~35 point player he would be high up on most lists going into the offseason. It didn't work with him and our 2024-25 group- That doesn't mean he stopped being a top 9 player over night. We're going to have new personnel in the F group, the combos are going to change.

He was pretty much a 4th liner in Philly too.

Playing mostly with Poehling and Hathaway. Outside the top 9 in scoring per game for forwards too on Philly

 

[Fogelhund]

What do you think about OEL for Moore?

OEL provides very good value for his contract... hard to move off of that. He also moves the puck reasonably well, and we'd have to replace that at a higher cost in Free Agency, while I think someone like Moore is cheaper to pick up elsewhere.... not that I"m against Moore in anyway.