Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Malachi Crunch]

Marchand - 7.5Mx2-3
Knies - 6.5Mx3
Tavares - 5Mx(?)
Perbix - 2.5Mx4
Perry - 1.5Mx1
Holmberg 1.25Mx2
Lorentz 1.15Mx8


McMann for Walman

I like your Walman idea - perfect bottom 4 puck mover - but don't you think he'll stay in Edmonton? Although, maybe they can't afford his 3.4 mil cap hit.

 

[JKG33]

$8.5mm on his cap, which might be high for his age, but if a team is going to pay $8mm to 37 year old forwards, $8.5mm for a 32 year old it looks like market rate.

And to steal Kurtz idea, add Kane.

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The cap hit isn't awful. Yea Zibanejad has a few good playoff runs under his belt. But he's also shown up to camp overweight and focuses more energy on being a DJ in the offseason than he does on training. The fact that he needs a dawg like Miller to light a fire under his ass is very concerning, and the Leafs certainly don't have anyone to do that.

I already don't like the Matthews we have. I don't want to go out and get an older, shittier version

 

[Americanadian]

I like your Walman idea - perfect bottom 4 puck mover - but don't you think he'll stay in Edmonton? Although, maybe they can't afford his 3.4 mil cap hit.

I posted my thought process here:

Rielly for Zibanejad would make the most sense for both teams, assuming Rielly is willing to go to NYC. Same term, similar cost, similar point in their careers where they've both been great players but are now declining. NYR want to move off K. Miller and Soucy so they will be very weak at LD.

If that were to happen I wonder if a Walman for McMann swap makes sense. Both would be pending UFAs, Edmonton is going to be in cap trouble next season because Draisaitl will be making 5.5M more and Bouchard will probably get a 6-6.5M raise. They are also rumored to bring back Frederic which probably comes in around 3M. Edmonton is perfectly fine at LD to move on from Walman with Ekholm/Nurse/Kulak all signed for a combined 18M.

McMann would be a perfect LW for McDavid with his high end speed and finishing ability. Edmonton would also be considered his local team (although still 200km away). I could see him re-signing there.

Walman would step into Rielly's role and quite honestly fill it well but at half the cost.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Assuming we get a 2C like Zibs or WK. What would be the ideal wingers for Tavares as 3C? I really like the idea of bringing Brown back

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[Tony Romo]

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Would we be better off Putting Domi on Matthews line and then using the 4.5m + 873k from Cowan to get two third line wingers?

 

[JKG33]

Since you're a Kings fan. Assuming Gavrikov walks, does McCabe for Danault work? I know they'd be looking for a 3C replacement but that would give them a ton of cap space to find one.

Nope. Theres a shortage of 2nd line centers on the market and probably a dozen #4 LD types.

I like McCabe, but he doesnt hold any value in a discussion for a player who isnt for sale (Danault). Kopitar is ancient, LA still doesnt know if Byfield is a C or W, and after Danault theres nothing on the roster (or in the system) in terms of centermen.

Obviously Danault could be had for an overpayment, but I dont see anyone on Toronto besides Knies or Nylander that fits the bill there, and both of those are obviously no go's for Toronto.

 

[Fogelhund]

I think I would prefer W. Karlsson to ride beside Nylander over Zibanejad.

Why though?

Zbad put up 33 points, in the final 31 games of the season last year.
Karlsson put up 29 points, in his full season... of 53 games.

Zbad has more points, in every season, for the last seven seasons.

Karlsson will cost quite a bit more to obtain in assets... and we don't have much in assets.

Only advantage of Karlsson really, is a cheaper cap hit.... but 2C's will be in demand, and he's only going to be moved, if they manage to sign Marner. Zbad could be done any day....

 

[ULF_55]

The cap hit isn't awful. Yea Zibanejad has a few good playoff runs under his belt. But he's also shown up to camp overweight and focuses more energy on being a DJ in the offseason than he does on training. The fact that he needs a dawg like Miller to light a fire under his ass is very concerning, and the Leafs certainly don't have anyone to do that.

I already don't like the Matthews we have. I don't want to go out and get an older, shittier version

Looking at the available centers in free agency, there isn't much.

Most of the hopefuls appear to be other teams gifting the Leafs a center, whereas much of the Zibanejad talk is the Rangers moving on without him.

The Cap isn't the only thing, the cost to acquire has to be considered.

I find as many "not moving" as "moving" for Karlsson.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Would we be better off Putting Domi on Matthews line and then using the 4.5m + 873k from Cowan to get two third line wingers?

Hard to say, I really would like to have the ability to go for Ehlers up there instead of Kane but had to compromise in certain areas.

What if Cowan sucks for example?

You could go Laughton-JT-Domi

Lorentz-Faksa-X all of a sudden.

I think this off-season we become a bit deeper and less top heavy, for better or for worse.

The tie breaker for the 4C honestly came down to Faksa's playoffs, he was pretty solid for the Blues.

I did have Brown in some of my mocks but you have to compromise in certain places, today specifically I have talked myself into Marchand-Karlsson-88 being awesome lol.

 

[Americanadian]

Why though?

Zbad put up 33 points, in the final 31 games of the season last year.
Karlsson put up 29 points, in his full season... of 53 games.

Karlsson will cost quite a bit more to obtain in assets... and we don't have much in assets.

Significantly less long-term risk. 2.6M cheaper. Still elite defensively. Hasn't seen a drop in his high-end speed yet.

Agree though - the acquisition cost will be more.

 

[Tony Romo]

Hard to say, I really would like to have the ability to go for Ehlers up there instead of Kane but had to compromise in certain areas.

What if Cowan sucks for example?

You could go Laughton-JT-Domi

Lorentz-Faksa-X all of a sudden.

I think this off-season we become a bit deeper and less top heavy, for better or for worse.

The tie breaker for the 4C honestly came down to Faksa's playoffs, he was pretty solid for the Blues.

I did have Brown in some of my mocks but you have to compromise in certain places, today specifically I have talked myself into Marchand-Karlsson-88 being awesome lol.

I'd have to figure out the math but.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Marchand - Karlsson - Nylander
Laughton - Tavares - Brown
Lorentz - Faksa - Tanev

Should work?

You'd basically be spending the 4.5+800k for Brown/Tanev

 

[JKG33]

Looking at the available centers in free agency, there isn't much.

Most of the hopefuls appear to be other teams gifting the Leafs a center, whereas much of the Zibanejad talk is the Rangers moving on without him.

The Cap isn't the only thing, the cost to acquire has to be considered.

I find as many "not moving" as "moving" for Karlsson.

I dont think Zibanejad is a center anyway. He's been at most splitting duties with Miller, but really he's been the winger.

I've long been an advocate of making Matthews earn his pay and carry some less expensive wingers. Domi on one side, and get a cheap(ish)banger type for the other wing.

This allows a much better 2nd line with Knies-Nylander, and let's you bypass the barren 2C market by getting a weaker one and still have a very good 2nd line. Maybe Toews. Maybe move Laughton up.

Plus this gets a stronger 3rd line as well, Cowan-Tavares-(Pacioretty?)

The 4th line would however need to be capable of some defensive work

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'd have to figure out the math but.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Marchand - Karlsson - Nylander
Laughton - Tavares - Brown
Lorentz - Faksa - Tanev

Should work?

You'd basically be spending the 4.5+800k for Brown/Tanev

Throw it into puckpedia and see what you think

Brown is projected around 2 years 2.5-2.6M

Faksa is projected for 1 year at 1.2M but he's a centre and we're Toronto so 1.5-1.75M for overpayment

Marchand - I don't go beyond 2 years because I remember Marleau lol.

 

[Stephen]

OEL can play left side though , and has a bit of offense. I think you get more back for Carlo which is a key for me if they want to improve by trade.. The elephant in the room is Mo because he would be hard if not impossible to move but he is also due for a good year based on his cycle

Mo is the worst and should move based on merit but yeah I think we will be dancing around the problem and have to move one of OEL, Carlo and less likely McCabe or Benoit.

 

[Stephen]

Many assume he is re-signing in Detroit as he made that public a few months ago but I wonder why it's not done yet unless he is contemplating retirement. Would be a great situation for him being close to home on a team that is close. Also makes you wonder with Toews in the mix that perhaps there could be a reunion of sorts. Would be a great short term Marner replacement with dollars to add on the rest of the roster.

Toronto is close to Buffalo, another Original Six team and Kane was living the area while rehabbing. It’s kind of a natural fit.

 

[ULF_55]

Nope. Theres a shortage of 2nd line centers on the market and probably a dozen #4 LD types.

I like McCabe, but he doesnt hold any value in a discussion for a player who isnt for sale (Danault). Kopitar is ancient, LA still doesnt know if Byfield is a C or W, and after Danault theres nothing on the roster (or in the system) in terms of centermen.

Obviously Danault could be had for an overpayment, but I dont see anyone on Toronto besides Knies or Nylander that fits the bill there, and both of those are obviously no go's for Toronto.

I'd think the Kings would be looking for a top line centerman, and that isn't Danault. He had an outlier 27 goal season, but that isn't his forte. He isn't even a 20 goal scorer.

Kings are probably in the same competition for Centers as the Leafs.

Byfield is still very young, give him time.

 

[Zero1]

Man, I get it's a discount for probably the first two years.

But Tavares at 6 years AND over 5m AAV is not great.

What the f*** is that contract? That’s not a discount. That would be a bad contract the moment it is signed.

 

[Tony Romo]

Throw it into puckpedia and see what you think

Brown is projected around 2 years 2.5-2.6M

Faksa is projected for 1 year at 1.2M but he's a centre and we're Toronto so 1.5-1.75M for overpayment

Marchand - I don't go beyond 2 years because I remember Marleau lol.

Got 59k in cap space with this line up.

 

[Fogelhund]

I dont think Zibanejad is a center anyway.

1056 Faceoffs last year.

He's played C for most of his career.

 

[WTFMAN99]

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Got 59k in cap space with this line up.

Not bad at all.

 

[Tony Romo]

Not bad at all.

Maybe you save 500k on Knies by paying him in bonuses, same as Marchand with endorsements outside of hockey. Gives you enough to sign a 13 forward.

 

[JKG33]

I'd think the Kings would be looking for a top line centerman, and that isn't Danault. He had an outlier 27 goal season, but that isn't his forte. He isn't even a 20 goal scorer.

Kings are probably in the same competition for Centers as the Leafs.

Byfield is still very young, give him time.

I mean who isnt? If Eichel and/or McDavid make it to UFA next summer 90% of the league would be in on that.

Danault obviously isn't a 1C, but subtracting him for a #4 d makes 0 sense.

 

[Torontonian]

$8.5mm on his cap, which might be high for his age, but if a team is going to pay $8mm to 37 year old forwards, $8.5mm for a 32 year old it looks like market rate.

And to steal Kurtz idea, add Kane.

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It's pretty crazy to think fans willing to give 8m x 4 years to a 37 year old winger, but won't take a chance on a 32 year old centerman for 1 year longer.

It's all a moot point really, fans get themselves worked up over a little "speculation" by someone saying Leafs might be interested.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Marchand - I don't go beyond 2 years because I remember Marleau lol.

Ideally, yes, but I think you'll need to in order to sign him.

The good thing is he's basically the exact opposite of Marleau when it comes to springtime hockey.

 

[ULF_55]

I dont think Zibanejad is a center anyway. He's been at most splitting duties with Miller, but really he's been the winger.