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If this team once again fails to proceed very far in the playoffs, what would you want them to do?

  • Do nothing, run it back

    Votes: 21 10.6%
  • Make changes to the offense, top 6 forward, better bottom six, but keep the core

    Votes: 13 6.5%
  • Make changes to the offense, including moving core players

    Votes: 77 38.7%
  • Make changes to the defense

    Votes: 12 6.0%
  • Do a retool, including moving core players

    Votes: 94 47.2%
  • Ban the guy who keeps making jinx prediction posts.

    Votes: 23 11.6%

  • Total voters
    199
I think Zibenajad is a good target, especially as the cost will likely be low. Right handed center, which he desperately need more of, and a perfect fit on paper for Nylander.

Although 32, he looks like a 30 goal 80 Point player and he put up 24 points in 20 games during their eastern conference final run two years ago.

I would be very interested, although I might want retention.
 
I do wonder how big a Zibanejad trade can go. NYR will suddenly have a pretty empty forward group and a ton of cap space. Could it look something like Schneider+Zib for Domi+McCabe? Schneider+Zib for Domi+Rielly would be ideal if Rielly was interested in NYC.
 
I do wonder how big a Zibanejad trade can go. NYR will suddenly have a pretty empty forward group and a ton of cap space. Could it look something like Schneider+Zib for Domi+McCabe? Schneider+Zib for Domi+Rielly would be ideal if Rielly was interested in NYC.
If we got Schneider + Zibs for either of those packages, i'd do a back flip.
 
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Is Zibs average defensively? The only thing that scares me about a potential

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Zibs
Tavares

down the middle, is it once again relies heavily on Matthews being the shutdown C.
 
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Zbad... he was bad last year, and he really owns that one on his own. Poor efforts defensively, and an offensive decline. He's been a great player over his career though, and it looks as though NYR are looking to dump him. The question being, what are we getting? Is there some reason to expect a bounce back season... a better effort defensively? Was it just a toxic situation with the Rangers?

He was PPG over the last stretch from game 51 to the end of the season.

$8.5 million is a pretty risk to take on, if his play struggles, and his defensive play isn't good. Nylander himself isn't the best defensive player, so putting him with Zbad, who had a hard time defensively last year doesn't necessarily seem ideal. Zbad has been a perennial Selke candidate in the past, so the question becomes... why the fall off, why do we expect a rebound?

Zbad @ $5 mil? for ??? Jarnkrok/Kampf/Reaves??

For some reason, I don't see Domi being moved, even though I think that is the right thing to do... That would be a good trade for us... Zbad @$5-6 for Domi...

We'd have to hope for a rebound with a change in scenery.


The Fall of Mika Zibanejad: A Star’s Decline on Broadway
December 25, 2024 by Sam Henes
The New York Rangers entered this season with high expectations, fueled by a talented roster and a mix of veteran leadership and rising stars. Yet, they’ve been terrible. From their abysmal 5v5 play to a power play that can’t buy a goal and team defense that has been nothing short of horrendous, the Rangers have failed across the board. At the heart of these struggles is Mika Zibanejad, a player who was once a cornerstone of the team but has become its biggest liability.

Zibanejad’s struggles go beyond declining production. His offensive play has cratered, his defensive effort is nonexistent, and his continued presence in key roles, like on the power play and 6v5, actively hurts the team. Making matters worse, his contract includes a no-movement clause that ties him to the Rangers until a week before the 2030 trade deadline, when it shifts to a modified no-trade clause with a restrictive 21-team no-trade list. This has limited the team’s ability to address his declining performance, creating a significant obstacle for a franchise struggling to meet expectations.

Offense, Defense, and Special Teams: Zibanejad’s All-Around Struggles
Zibanejad’s struggles this season have been evident across all areas of his game, but nowhere are they more glaring than in his offensive production—or lack thereof. At 5v5, where the Rangers have been woefully ineffective, Zibanejad has failed to provide the play-driving ability expected of a top center. His scoring rates have plummeted compared to previous seasons, and his inability to generate sustained offensive pressure has left his linemates unable to thrive. His performance has been a major disappointment for a player expected to lead by example offensively.

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Mika Zibanejad of the New York Rangers celebrates a goal during the first period against the Carolina Hurricanes in Game 1 of the Second Round of the 2024 Stanley Cup Playoffs (Photo by Josh Lavallee/NHLI via Getty Images)
Defensively, Zibanejad has been equally problematic. His lack of effort on the backcheck and poor positioning in the defensive zone has contributed to the Rangers’ horrendous team defense. Opposing teams exploit his lapses in coverage, forcing the Rangers to rely too heavily on their goaltending. The team is struggling to keep pucks out of their own net, and Zibanejad’s defensive shortcomings have made matters worse.

Zibanejad’s poor play has finally led to a demotion on the power play – he was moved to the second unit during the Rangers’ Dec. 23 game against the New Jersey Devils. While this change was overdue, it underscores how ineffective he has been in a role he previously thrived in. The Rangers’ power play, which was a dismal 2-for-26, needed a shake-up, and Zibanejad’s removal from the top unit reflects his inability to drive its success. Even with this adjustment, his continued presence on the 6v5 unit remains a point of contention, as his lack of production in those situations hurts the team.

The Ripple Effect of Zibanejad’s Poor Play on the Rangers
Zibanejad’s struggles are not limited to his performance—they’ve had a measurable impact on the production of his linemates and the team overall. As a top-line center, Zibanejad is expected to drive play and elevate those around him, but the opposite has been true. Linemates consistently see their offensive output drop when paired with him, highlighting his inability to create scoring opportunities or facilitate effective offensive play.



The lack of success has forced the coaching staff to shuffle the lines repeatedly, disrupting what little consistency the Rangers might have found. Players like Brett Berard and Will Cuylle, who have shown promise in other combinations, struggle to make an impact when paired with Zibanejad. Even established veterans see their production dip alongside him, a concerning trend for a team already starved for offense.

Zibanejad’s continued presence in key units like the power play and 6v5 not only fails to generate results but also limits opportunities for other players who might bring a fresh approach. The Rangers’ power play has been particularly dismal, and while his recent demotion to the second unit is a step in the right direction, it comes far too late to undo the damage already done.

Double Standards in Deployment
The Rangers’ handling of Zibanejad’s struggles this season has been as problematic as his performance. Despite his glaring deficiencies, he has remained a fixture in key roles.

Meanwhile, other players have been held to a different standard. Kaapo Kakko, who never fully lived up to his lofty status as the second overall pick, was nevertheless a solid middle-six forward, producing at close to a 40-point pace with no real power play time. While not flashy, Kakko was a valuable contributor at his $2.4 million cap hit and played a key role on the Rangers’ best 5v5 line earlier in the season alongside Cuylle and Filip Chytil.

Despite his steady contributions, Kakko was benched and ultimately traded, a move that appeared more focused on protecting veterans like Zibanejad than addressing actual performance issues. This decision highlighted a troubling double standard: younger players with tangible value are expendable, while struggling veterans are untouchable.

While Zibanejad’s no-movement clause complicates matters, it does not excuse the organization from exploring solutions. Making him a consistent healthy scratch must become a legitimate consideration. The Rangers cannot continue to give him the ice time and opportunities that his play does not warrant. By taking him out of the lineup, the team can focus on players who have earned their roles and give younger players a chance to thrive.

Addressing the Zibanejad Issue Before 2030
The Rangers’ struggles with Zibanejad are not confined to this season—they are a long-term issue that will persist until 2030 unless a plan is put in place. Reducing his ice time is the most immediate step. Limiting his role to less critical situations and moving him to a lower line can mitigate his impact on the team’s performance.

A more effective and necessary measure may be making Zibanejad consistently a healthy scratch. Removing him from the lineup minimizes his negative impact while also creating opportunities for other players to contribute. Accountability must extend to every player, regardless of their contract or reputation.

A buyout is also worth considering, though, by rule, it must be handled during the offseason. If Zibanejad’s performance continues to decline, a buyout after this summer could provide some relief. It would save $666,667 annually for five years, leaving a cap hit of $7.38 million per year during that time. However, it would then carry a $333,333 cap charge for an additional five years afterward. While this option is far from ideal, it might be the only way to create some flexibility if other solutions prove unworkable.

A Problem the Rangers Can’t Ignore
The Zibanejad situation is emblematic of deeper issues within the Rangers’ organization. It’s not just about one player’s decline—it’s about how the team handles accountability, resource allocation, and long-term planning. Zibanejad’s contract ensures that this is not a problem that will go away on its own, and without meaningful change, it threatens to weigh down the Rangers through the rest of this decade.

There are no easy answers, but standing pat is the worst option. Whether it’s reducing his ice time, scratching him from the lineup, or exploring an offseason buyout, the Rangers must prioritize performance over status. The team’s competitive window demands tough decisions, and continuing to rely on Zibanejad in a prominent role will only prolong their struggles.

The Rangers have a chance to reset their trajectory, but they must recognize and address the Zibanejad problem sooner rather than later. The longer they wait, the more difficult it will be to move forward—and the more time they’ll lose in building a team that can genuinely compete.
 
Is Zibs average defensively? The only thing that scares me about a potential

Matthews
Zibs
Tavares

down the middle, is it once again relies heavily on Matthews being the shutdown C.

Zbad has been a Selke candidate for years... last year was one year, where he had a bad year, and wasn't good defensively.

If we are picking him up, it's with the expectation that he's going to rebound back to who he was... if we don't have good reason to believe that, we shouldn't touch him.
 
Zbad has some good playoff numbers

A lot of rangers sucked this year. This could be a case of buy low on this player as a change of scenery may do him a lot of good

How is he defensively? If he isn’t a 200 foot guy then do not go there.
 
Zbad... he was bad last year, and he really owns that one on his own. Poor efforts defensively, and an offensive decline. He's been a great player over his career though, and it looks as though NYR are looking to dump him. The question being, what are we getting? Is there some reason to expect a bounce back season... a better effort defensively? Was it just a toxic situation with the Rangers?

He was PPG over the last stretch from game 51 to the end of the season.

$8.5 million is a pretty risk to take on, if his play struggles, and his defensive play isn't good. Nylander himself isn't the best defensive player, so putting him with Zbad, who had a hard time defensively last year doesn't necessarily seem ideal. Zbad has been a perennial Selke candidate in the past, so the question becomes... why the fall off, why do we expect a rebound?

Zbad @ $5 mil? for ??? Jarnkrok/Kampf/Reaves??

For some reason, I don't see Domi being moved, even though I think that is the right thing to do... That would be a good trade for us... Zbad @$5-6 for Domi...

We'd have to hope for a rebound with a change in scenery.


The Fall of Mika Zibanejad: A Star’s Decline on Broadway
December 25, 2024 by Sam Henes
The New York Rangers entered this season with high expectations, fueled by a talented roster and a mix of veteran leadership and rising stars. Yet, they’ve been terrible. From their abysmal 5v5 play to a power play that can’t buy a goal and team defense that has been nothing short of horrendous, the Rangers have failed across the board. At the heart of these struggles is Mika Zibanejad, a player who was once a cornerstone of the team but has become its biggest liability.

Zibanejad’s struggles go beyond declining production. His offensive play has cratered, his defensive effort is nonexistent, and his continued presence in key roles, like on the power play and 6v5, actively hurts the team. Making matters worse, his contract includes a no-movement clause that ties him to the Rangers until a week before the 2030 trade deadline, when it shifts to a modified no-trade clause with a restrictive 21-team no-trade list. This has limited the team’s ability to address his declining performance, creating a significant obstacle for a franchise struggling to meet expectations.

Offense, Defense, and Special Teams: Zibanejad’s All-Around Struggles
Zibanejad’s struggles this season have been evident across all areas of his game, but nowhere are they more glaring than in his offensive production—or lack thereof. At 5v5, where the Rangers have been woefully ineffective, Zibanejad has failed to provide the play-driving ability expected of a top center. His scoring rates have plummeted compared to previous seasons, and his inability to generate sustained offensive pressure has left his linemates unable to thrive. His performance has been a major disappointment for a player expected to lead by example offensively.

Mika Zibanejad New York Rangers
Mika Zibanejad of the New York Rangers celebrates a goal during the first period against the Carolina Hurricanes in Game 1 of the Second Round of the 2024 Stanley Cup Playoffs (Photo by Josh Lavallee/NHLI via Getty Images)
Defensively, Zibanejad has been equally problematic. His lack of effort on the backcheck and poor positioning in the defensive zone has contributed to the Rangers’ horrendous team defense. Opposing teams exploit his lapses in coverage, forcing the Rangers to rely too heavily on their goaltending. The team is struggling to keep pucks out of their own net, and Zibanejad’s defensive shortcomings have made matters worse.

Zibanejad’s poor play has finally led to a demotion on the power play – he was moved to the second unit during the Rangers’ Dec. 23 game against the New Jersey Devils. While this change was overdue, it underscores how ineffective he has been in a role he previously thrived in. The Rangers’ power play, which was a dismal 2-for-26, needed a shake-up, and Zibanejad’s removal from the top unit reflects his inability to drive its success. Even with this adjustment, his continued presence on the 6v5 unit remains a point of contention, as his lack of production in those situations hurts the team.

The Ripple Effect of Zibanejad’s Poor Play on the Rangers
Zibanejad’s struggles are not limited to his performance—they’ve had a measurable impact on the production of his linemates and the team overall. As a top-line center, Zibanejad is expected to drive play and elevate those around him, but the opposite has been true. Linemates consistently see their offensive output drop when paired with him, highlighting his inability to create scoring opportunities or facilitate effective offensive play.



The lack of success has forced the coaching staff to shuffle the lines repeatedly, disrupting what little consistency the Rangers might have found. Players like Brett Berard and Will Cuylle, who have shown promise in other combinations, struggle to make an impact when paired with Zibanejad. Even established veterans see their production dip alongside him, a concerning trend for a team already starved for offense.

Zibanejad’s continued presence in key units like the power play and 6v5 not only fails to generate results but also limits opportunities for other players who might bring a fresh approach. The Rangers’ power play has been particularly dismal, and while his recent demotion to the second unit is a step in the right direction, it comes far too late to undo the damage already done.

Double Standards in Deployment
The Rangers’ handling of Zibanejad’s struggles this season has been as problematic as his performance. Despite his glaring deficiencies, he has remained a fixture in key roles.

Meanwhile, other players have been held to a different standard. Kaapo Kakko, who never fully lived up to his lofty status as the second overall pick, was nevertheless a solid middle-six forward, producing at close to a 40-point pace with no real power play time. While not flashy, Kakko was a valuable contributor at his $2.4 million cap hit and played a key role on the Rangers’ best 5v5 line earlier in the season alongside Cuylle and Filip Chytil.

Despite his steady contributions, Kakko was benched and ultimately traded, a move that appeared more focused on protecting veterans like Zibanejad than addressing actual performance issues. This decision highlighted a troubling double standard: younger players with tangible value are expendable, while struggling veterans are untouchable.

While Zibanejad’s no-movement clause complicates matters, it does not excuse the organization from exploring solutions. Making him a consistent healthy scratch must become a legitimate consideration. The Rangers cannot continue to give him the ice time and opportunities that his play does not warrant. By taking him out of the lineup, the team can focus on players who have earned their roles and give younger players a chance to thrive.

Addressing the Zibanejad Issue Before 2030
The Rangers’ struggles with Zibanejad are not confined to this season—they are a long-term issue that will persist until 2030 unless a plan is put in place. Reducing his ice time is the most immediate step. Limiting his role to less critical situations and moving him to a lower line can mitigate his impact on the team’s performance.

A more effective and necessary measure may be making Zibanejad consistently a healthy scratch. Removing him from the lineup minimizes his negative impact while also creating opportunities for other players to contribute. Accountability must extend to every player, regardless of their contract or reputation.

A buyout is also worth considering, though, by rule, it must be handled during the offseason. If Zibanejad’s performance continues to decline, a buyout after this summer could provide some relief. It would save $666,667 annually for five years, leaving a cap hit of $7.38 million per year during that time. However, it would then carry a $333,333 cap charge for an additional five years afterward. While this option is far from ideal, it might be the only way to create some flexibility if other solutions prove unworkable.

A Problem the Rangers Can’t Ignore
The Zibanejad situation is emblematic of deeper issues within the Rangers’ organization. It’s not just about one player’s decline—it’s about how the team handles accountability, resource allocation, and long-term planning. Zibanejad’s contract ensures that this is not a problem that will go away on its own, and without meaningful change, it threatens to weigh down the Rangers through the rest of this decade.

There are no easy answers, but standing pat is the worst option. Whether it’s reducing his ice time, scratching him from the lineup, or exploring an offseason buyout, the Rangers must prioritize performance over status. The team’s competitive window demands tough decisions, and continuing to rely on Zibanejad in a prominent role will only prolong their struggles.

The Rangers have a chance to reset their trajectory, but they must recognize and address the Zibanejad problem sooner rather than later. The longer they wait, the more difficult it will be to move forward—and the more time they’ll lose in building a team that can genuinely compete.
Replace Zib and ghe Rangers with Mathews and the Leafs and this post reads exactly like what our problem is…….
 
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Zbad has been a Selke candidate for years... last year was one year, where he had a bad year, and wasn't good defensively.
21-22 he finished 15th in voting, 22-23 he finished 16th. Beyond those two years he has never received a vote. I'd be careful expecting a selke level defender in his age 32 season and beyond. The advanced numbers show a steep drop off in his defensive results this past season. The box score numbers show a drop off in his offensive production as well.

Edit: My bad - he had 1 5th place vote (so did Laughton and Kerfoot) in 23-24 and tied for 30th in voting.
 
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As long as the cost is relatively low, I’d be totally fine taking on Zibanejad. Ideally I would like someone younger such as McLeod or Sillinger but it takes two sides to agree.

I also don’t see how acquiring Zibanejad changes this teams “DNA”.
 
Zbad has some good playoff numbers

A lot of rangers sucked this year. This could be a case of buy low on this player as a change of scenery may do him a lot of good

How is he defensively? If he isn’t a 200 foot guy then do not go there.

Defensively... last year, terrible.

But, Selke candidate 4 of the 5 years before that.

I can't really tell you what we'd get... is this a bad year, with something bad going on with the Rangers... or a declining player?

 
21-22 he finished 15th in voting, 22-23 he finished 16th. Beyond those two years he has never received a vote. I'd be careful expecting a selke level defender in his age 32 season and beyond. The advanced numbers show a steep drop off in his defensive results this past season. The box score numbers show a drop off in his offensive production as well.

The point being... he's been a pretty good defensive player over his career, and last year was an outlier... and the question is why... decline, or were the Rangers just bad, bad vibe internally, and everything fell apart? I don't have the answer for that.
 
What if.... we could do Zbad + K'Andre Miller for ????

Move out Domi, Jarnkrok, Rielly, Reaves ( I appreciate that moving out Rielly seems unlikely)

But, we'd have...

Knies ($7.2x7) Matthews XXX
XXXX Zbad Nylander
McMann Tavares (6 x $4mil) Sherwood (Rielly trade to Van)
Laughton XXX XXX

McCabe Tanev
Miller Carlo
OEL XXX
Benoit

$16.4 mil left. You'd certainly want a RD, who could move the puck.
 
The point being... he's been a pretty good defensive player over his career, and last year was an outlier... and the question is why... decline, or were the Rangers just bad, bad vibe internally, and everything fell apart? I don't have the answer for that.
It is probably just regular decline that most players see beyond 30. It looks like his foot speed has dropped off. His top end speed has gone from 91st percentile 2 years ago to 63rd this season.
 
Good discussion on Zibanejad.

The thing is, if he wasn't a risk, we would have no chance of getting a PPG 2C for cheap. Zero. We're at the point where we have no choice but to take risks.

The Rangers were a mess last year. Miserable lockerroom and everyone underperformed. They hated the coach.

Zibby, beside his summer buddy Nylander, would definitely get him going again. Get a very defensively responsible winger on the other side if DJ Zbad has lost some of his defensive acumen.

Although, I do think that, if we got Zibanejad, the rest of our FA and trade acquisitions have to be tougher players to play against if we're changing the DNA.
 
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Giving up Danford for Zibanejad would be heartbreaking. I would think his value is close to Kreider's.
Tend to agree, if we gave up McMann + 4th round pick or something I'd be okay. Giving up a solid prospect for him is a bad move. Zibby holds all the cards, NYR wants him gone & Zibby has the final say on that. He might not want to be in the big markets anymore. Toronto paying top dollar for him doesn't make sense knowing he's only going to want to go to a handful of teams?

Zbad... he was bad last year, and he really owns that one on his own. Poor efforts defensively, and an offensive decline. He's been a great player over his career though, and it looks as though NYR are looking to dump him. The question being, what are we getting? Is there some reason to expect a bounce back season... a better effort defensively? Was it just a toxic situation with the Rangers
Probably no specific reason for him to bounce back, he's had some solid years, even his last year was solid. You'd just have to hope the pro scouting sees something in him, I can see him being reinvigorated moving on from the Rangers and joining the Leafs -- Although this market could potentially crush him.
 
It is probably just regular decline that most players see beyond 30. It looks like his foot speed has dropped off. His top end speed has gone from 91st percentile 2 years ago to 63rd this season.

Noting he was a +3, and had 33 points in the last 31 games last year....

The problem was he had 29 points, and was a -25 in the first 51 games... which kind of set the tone for where they are now.
 
You can afford to pay more for 3rd/4th liners if you don’t overpay the core, saving a million here and a million there really adds up……..

Outside of Matthews, Nylander, and Rielly the Leafs dont really having anyone making big money. If Brad can make Kampf, and Jarnkrok disappear he will have almost $30 million to work with but it does goe fast.

I assume Knies will be $7 million which brings you down to ~$23 million to sign quite a few forwards and assuming no tinkering on defense.

In a cap world, I dont think it makes sense to pay much more than $1.5 million for 4th line wingers. The way they are talking with Tavares is making me nervous. He clearly has no leadership and he will decline. To give him term and money is textbook Leafs. I would much rather Brad take his chances with someone new.

It sounds like Marchand may want to come to Toronto for all the right reasons (Money). I cannot see that contract play out well. He is likely going to be $7.5 +. Maybe Cowan can make the team and drop McMann to the 4th line? I am not sure he is consistent enough for a top 6 role. He was pretty invisible in the playoffs which was scary. Give what he is paid, I dont think people are as annoyed as Marner but he isnt the player I would hitch my wagon to.



Man, I get it's a discount for probably the first two years.

But Tavares at 6 years AND over 5m AAV is not great.



Tavares all things equal is probably worth $8-9 million x 3 years. If you spread it over 6 years I would expect the cap to come down half to $4.5-5. If the leafs need to pay $7 million x 6 years he is going to end up getting bought out in 3-4 years.
 

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