Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[ULF_55]

I think he's a decent 3C, at $3.5 to $4 mil. He's likely to put up mid 30's in points at best. Last year was probably his career year, not to be matched again. His two way play is very good, but if you are paying him $5 mil, and expecting nearly 50 points, you are going to be disappointed.

At $5 mil, I think there are other options I'd prefer.

I don't disagree, other than there really isn't much in this year's UFA crops.

Mangiapane have a good relationship with Treliving? Mangiapane similar production, with 1 outlier season.

Really, if they can't land Boeser, Duchene, Granlund, Ehlers, Bennett they're in "hope" category anyway.

 

[ACC1224]

Not quite the same... he's from Northern Ontario originally... Hearst. I'm not sure where his parents live now.

But, I can see why he might want to extend with Ottawa... if he doesn't, he might be worth looking at.

My mistake, thought Ottawa was his local team.
Maybe he played junior there? I recall some type of connection.

 

[Fogelhund]

My mistake, thought Ottawa was his local team.
Maybe he played junior there? I recall some type of connection.

He played in Gatineau for Junior... so close. So there is that connection.

 

[ULF_55]

Maybe Kreider gets his game back.

 

[Fogelhund]

Maybe Kreider gets his game back.

I'd expect he will. He had injury issues last year, that he should be recovered from.

Chris Kreider and 2025 4th for Carey Terrance + 2025 3rd

Terrance is kind of a mid-level prospect, who underperformed his draft position last year. Not much of a return for the Rangers really, just a cap dump.

 

[RuudeDog]

Also Florida continues to show why they are the smartest team. They have their big core guys locked in for 4-5+ years at very good cap hits

Barkov
Tkachuk
Reinhart
Verhaeghe
Forsling
Jones

They are going to be a great team for many years but I expect some off years here and there as Bobrovsky is aging

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But would those guys have agreed to the same value contracts without tax advantages? Likely not. As Mirtle suggested if you get 3 or 4 main guys signing for 2 million less than they would sign in other markets, suddenly you have room for another 8 million dollar impact player. Or say 2 - 3 better middle players who you can pay 3 million to instead of league min. When you go 7 games, that little bit of extra depth often is the difference. Look at Marchand, Jones this year.

If the stars signed for less, Hyman for example is still a Leaf for starters.

 

[The Shadow]

But would those guys have agreed to the same value contracts without tax advantages? Likely not. As Mirtle suggested if you get 3 or 4 main guys signing for 2 million less than they would sign in other markets, suddenly you have room for another 8 million dollar impact player. Or say 2 - 3 better middle players who you can pay 3 million to instead of league min. When you go 7 games, that little bit of extra depth often is the difference. Look at Marchand, Jones this year.

If the stars signed for less, Hyman for example is still a Leaf for starters.

At the time when they signed those guys they were making a lot. But with time those cap hits look very cheap

 

[Americanadian]

But would those guys have agreed to the same value contracts without tax advantages? Likely not. As Mirtle suggested if you get 3 or 4 main guys signing for 2 million less than they would sign in other markets, suddenly you have room for another 8 million dollar impact player. Or say 2 - 3 better middle players who you can pay 3 million to instead of league min. When you go 7 games, that little bit of extra depth often is the difference. Look at Marchand, Jones this year.

If the stars signed for less, Hyman for example is still a Leaf for starters.

If Matthews signed 8 years he’s still have 2 years left at whatever cap hit (still below McDavid).

If Nylander signed 8 years he’d still be making 6.9M this year.

If Marner signed 8 years he’d still have 2 years left.

Not getting 8 years was more important than any tax advantages.

 

[RuudeDog]

At the time when they signed those guys they were making a lot. But with time those cap hits look very cheap

Fla or Tor?

Are you suggesting Reinhart coming off a 57 goal season signing at 8.6 Million ever looked expensive? He was even up for the Selke this year. They haven't signed a bad contract since Bobrovsky. And that hasn't aged too badly.

 

[Torontonian]

Look at the numbers of our bottom 6 forwards in the playoffs. We basically got zero offence from those guys

No offensive depth whatsoever yet we still took Florida to 7 games. Something Tampa, Carolina and potentially Edmonton couldn’t do

An area Tre will fix this summer hopefully or partially fix

Stolarz had a great year. If he can stay healthy we have a very good goalie. Woll needs to get better

I pointed this out that Toronto virtually got nothing from 6/12 forwards, and was told nonstop it's on the core forwards to essentially score every goal.

Your best players obviously need to be your best players, but depth and contributions from your entire line up wins championships.

 

[Torontonian]

But would those guys have agreed to the same value contracts without tax advantages? Likely not. As Mirtle suggested if you get 3 or 4 main guys signing for 2 million less than they would sign in other markets, suddenly you have room for another 8 million dollar impact player. Or say 2 - 3 better middle players who you can pay 3 million to instead of league min. When you go 7 games, that little bit of extra depth often is the difference. Look at Marchand, Jones this year.

If the stars signed for less, Hyman for example is still a Leaf for starters.

I was using a tax calculator earlier, the tax break is massive.. As an example.. Bennett making 10m salary per year in Toronto, it equals to 8.4m per year in FLA... If you save 1.5m per year, per contract with your big guys, its 6m. you can use for another player.. Or over the course of a 8 year contract, Toronto needs to find a way to make up 12m...

People will say Leafs stars should have taken less to help the team but, 12m is alot of money to leave on the table over 8 years.

 

[Fogelhund]

I was using a tax calculator earlier, the tax break is massive.. As an example.. Bennett making 10m salary per year in Toronto, it equals to 8.4m per year in FLA... If you save 1.5m per year, per contract with your big guys, its 6m. you can use for another player.. Or over the course of a 8 year contract, Toronto needs to find a way to make up 12m...

People will say Leafs stars should have taken less to help the team but, 12m is alot of money to leave on the table over 8 years.

It doesn't quite work that way though....

The "Duty Days" Rule
The duty days rule is one of the most significant factors affecting NHL player taxation. Generally, players pay taxes in every state or province where they earn income, typically defined as days spent practicing, traveling, or playing games.

Example: A player for the New York Rangers will pay New York State taxes on home games but will also owe taxes in California for road games played against the Kings, Ducks or Sharks. The portion of income taxed is based on the ratio of duty days in each jurisdiction relative to the total duty days in the season.

 

[Torontonian]

It doesn't quite work that way though....

The "Duty Days" Rule
The duty days rule is one of the most significant factors affecting NHL player taxation. Generally, players pay taxes in every state or province where they earn income, typically defined as days spent practicing, traveling, or playing games.

Example: A player for the New York Rangers will pay New York State taxes on home games but will also owe taxes in California for road games played against the Kings, Ducks or Sharks. The portion of income taxed is based on the ratio of duty days in each jurisdiction relative to the total duty days in the season.

Well that just seems like way to math to figure out how much each player would save playing for a Florida team, Dallas team & Nashville team.

It does however helps those teams, in some way or another... Mind you, I also don't understand how these big market teams such as Toronto/MTL/Rangers etc aren't able to use sponsorship as a way to potentially get the AAV lower (I know it's technically not allowed..., but there's got to be a shady way of doing it).

 

[Dreakmur]

I was using a tax calculator earlier, the tax break is massive.. As an example.. Bennett making 10m salary per year in Toronto, it equals to 8.4m per year in FLA... If you save 1.5m per year, per contract with your big guys, its 6m. you can use for another player.. Or over the course of a 8 year contract, Toronto needs to find a way to make up 12m...

That assumes both contract structures are exactly the same.

If you get 9 of the 10 million up front, you can invest it and get many extra months worth of dividends, which likely makes up for the tax difference.

 

[WTFMAN99]

That assumes both contract structures are exactly the same.

If you get 9 of the 10 million up front, you can invest it and get many extra months worth of dividends, which likely makes up for the tax difference.

They'll remove big signing bonuses next CBA for competitive balance purposes

 

[Fogelhund]

They'll remove big signing bonuses next CBA for competitive balance purposes

I know you are joking, but that would be an interesting way to balance out contracts. Salary cap stays the same, but there would be a sliding Tax Jurisdiction Signing bonus outside of the cap that makes up the difference of the taxation. It wouldn't be a discretionary thing, just a preset formula, based upon the taxes actually paid... just an interesting way to even things out.

 

[Malachi Crunch]

I'd expect he will. He had injury issues last year, that he should be recovered from.

Chris Kreider and 2025 4th for Carey Terrance + 2025 3rd

Terrance is kind of a mid-level prospect, who underperformed his draft position last year. Not much of a return for the Rangers really, just a cap dump.

This is a shockingly bad return for the Rangers. Especially in a seller's market!

I wonder if Kreider's injuries may be more profound or long-term than what has been reported. This trade just makes no sense to me. Even in his crap season last year, he scored 22. He scored 39 the year before and 52 in 2021-22. Also a power forward known to battle hard in the playoffs. That's worth 6.4 million, for sure. I don't get it.

 

[LeafParade]

He played in Gatineau for Junior... so close. So there is that connection.

I had him as an early trade deadline target but then the Senators ended up making the playoffs. At the time, I thought you could use him to split Matthews/Marner from each other.

Not sure he will want to move if the Sens are a playoff team, otherwise I would target him. He actually performs in the playoffs.

 

[Fogelhund]

I had him as an early trade deadline target but then the Senators ended up making the playoffs. At the time, I thought you could use him to split Matthews/Marner from each other.

Not sure he will want to move if the Sens are a playoff team, otherwise I would target him. He actually performs in the playoffs.

He's a UFA, so it's not about a trade at this point. He's either going to extend there, or look elsewhere. Ottawa appears to be offering him a one year deal, so that might not get it done for him... we shall see.

 

[mydnyte]

If for whatever reason he doesn’t re-sign in Ottawa I could see him going back to Florida if they lose Ekblad and Marchand.

he was there for 18 games and chose to leave to go to the Sens which was a team going in the opposite direction (total rebuild) vs already built
...not sure what his motivation was to go to Ottawa, so, he likely re-ups there.

 

[mydnyte]

Fla or Tor?

Are you suggesting Reinhart coming off a 57 goal season signing at 8.6 Million ever looked expensive? He was even up for the Selke this year. They haven't signed a bad contract since Bobrovsky. And that hasn't aged too badly.

the irony with the Bobs contract was there was consideration to buy him out after year 3-4 was it ...then he re-found his game

 

[I am Canadian]

Would love to get Vincent Trocheck, but I don't see the rangers doing that. Would be a great #2 for good money.

Matthews
Trocheck
Tavares

 

[Tony Romo]

the irony with the Bobs contract was there was consideration to buy him out after year 3-4 was it ...then he re-found his game

It's also crazy that re-found his game maybe an understatement. Pretty sure he's had the best playoffs for a goalie ever the last 3 years or close to it.

 

[Fogelhund]

Would love to get Vincent Trocheck, but I don't see the rangers doing that. Would be a great #2 for good money.

Matthews
Trocheck
Tavares

Trocheck is one heck of a player, would be a great 2C. Decent production, physical, one heck of a PK guy, speedy... I'd love to have him.... But, very little chance NYR move him, and even less of a chance of us being able to afford that trade.

 

[LeafParade]

He's a UFA, so it's not about a trade at this point. He's either going to extend there, or look elsewhere. Ottawa appears to be offering him a one year deal, so that might not get it done for him... we shall see.

I was talking about last year.

I would take him as a UFA, but I am surprised Sens are not offering at least 2 years.