Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[Mitch nylander]

Hot take here, but I'd like to go the 1-2 yr route, and scour for depth rather, than putting all eggs in a Bennett.

I don't like the idea of locking myself into a long-term deal to a guy like Bennett who has never scored more than 50 in a season.

I'd be looking at:

• Marchand
• Granlund
• Beauvillier

All on 1-2 year deals.

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I know it's a big step back, but I'd rather not screw myself long-term with an anchor of a deal. Come back stronger the next year.

Knies - Matthews - Domi
Patches - JT - Nylander
Marchand - Granlund - Beauvillier
Holmberg - Laughton - McMann

This is at least a deep, well balanced lineup

 

[Dragao6]

I’d like to see crouse, Ekblad names floating around

I’m on board to overpay some big names this season if 1 year deal and flip at deadline
Grab some draft capital and see where the season takes you and attack next years ufa class!!

 

[Shanwhatplan]

Perry last 111 playoff game ( since he left anaheim)

Perry goal/ game 0,23
0,45 pts/game

Domi last 53 game ( since he left MTL)
Domi goal by game 0,19
0,57pts/game

The value of Perry is he cost nothing in salary so quality/price is great but if i have to take a player between Perry right now or Domi at same salary, i taking Domi all day long and its not even close. The fact mxdavid and draisaitl help his production change absolutly nothing

Again you mention about Perry’s production being aided by playing with McDavid and Draisaitl, but he only plays with them on the PP.
You have your reasons for picking Domi, and I have my reasons for picking Perry. We’ll just have to leave it at that.

 

[Shanwhatplan]

There's a lot of ways to value a player......+/- is not one of them.

Yes, you’re right, I don’t know why I said that.

 

[thusk]

Again you mention about Perry’s production being aided by playing with McDavid and Draisaitl, but he only plays with them on the PP.
You have your reasons for picking Domi, and I have my reasons for picking Perry. We’ll just have to leave it at that.

Completly false

Draisaitl was on the ice for all 13 perry pts( 6 Even strenght, 7bin pp), mcdavid for 12 ( 6 ES and 6 Pp)
so on 12 of his 13 pts (92%) he was playing with both draisaitl and mcdavid

 

[horner]

With our draft picks, it looks like the largest offer sheet we can sign this summer is about 1.5 million, which is no comparison. That’s not going to steal anything useful.

I said the
2026 and 2027

 

[horner]

The Leafs should be targeting two types of players this offseason, especially when it comes to the many holes at forward. Winners, and guys who will outproduce their cap hit.

In the latter category, Tavares and Pacioretty seem like no-brainer guys to bring back. If Tavares can be had for a fraction of his current hit he'll be a valuable piece. Pacioretty looks like a brand new man relative to his previous few years.

Regarding the former category, Marchand is the obvious fit. Friedman has speculated Marchand could be interested in the challenge of leading Toronto to the promise land in a way other players aren't. I'd rip the C off Matthews and give it to the rat in a heartbeat but thats another conversation.

Bennett and Ekblad are pipe dreams. I dont see either of them leaving Florida, and if they did Toronto is still probably at the bottom of the list. Now under that assumption, Marchand could be squeezed out of Florida.

Domi I think you get the most out of him next to Matthews. And Matthews is a big boy and a highly paid one at that. He doesnt need both Knies and Nylander, and if he does he can f*** off.

Knies-Matthews-Domi
Marchand-x-Nylander
Cowan-Tavares-Pacioretty
Tanev-Laughton-McMann

Problem is that X is going to be damn hard to fill this offseason with the demand for centers, and abundance of both cap space and buyers. Danault isnt going anywhere. I think Colorado after signing Nelson would rather move Coyle (no interest there from me) over Colton. It gets even worse since the Leafs have very few tradeable assets. And if you go out and sign a Granlund/Duchene type youre just as soft as before

I would sign Perry 1.3 mil * 2 instead of tamev

 

[TMLAM34]

To Toronto: Cole Sillinger
To Columbus: Joseph Woll + Bobby McMann

To Toronto: Chris Kreider
To Rangers: Nick Robertson + 3rd Round Draft Pick

To Toronto: Martin Pospisil
To Calgary: Simon Benoit + Pontus Holmberg



UFA SIGNINGS:
Dante Fabbro - 5 years, 5 million per
Andrew Mangiapane - 3 years, 3 million per
Taylor Raddysh - 2 years, 1.85 million per
Brandon Tanev - 4 years, 2.25 million per
Dan Vladar - 2 years, 2.25 million per



Knies(7.5) - Matthews(13.25) - Domi(3.75)
Kreider(6.5) - Sillinger(2.25) - Nylander(11.5)
Mangiapane(3) - Tavares(5) - Pospisil(1)
Tanev(2.25) - Laughton(1.5) - Raddysh(1.85)
Pacioretty(1)

Rielly(7.5) - Carlo(3.49)
McCabe(4.51) - Fabbro(5)
Ekman Larsson(3.5) - Tanev(4.5)
Myers(0.85)

Stolarz(2.5) - Vladar(2.25)

Cap Hit: 94.45
Cap Space: 1.05

 

[Tony Romo]

Fabbro is expected to get 5m?? damn

 

[SprDaVE]

Fabbro is expected to get 5m?? damn

He was really good with Columbus. I'd easily take the chance to pay that I think, but probably not in our current situation.

 

[Legion34]

I still think Marner comes back for some strange reason.

If not. And Bennett/duchene are off the table.

I would look at zibby. 8.5. Owed lots of money. NYR need cap.

 

[Amadeus]

I still think Marner comes back for some strange reason.

If not. And Bennett/duchene are off the table.

I would look at zibby. 8.5. Owed lots of money. NYR need cap.

He's a ghost in the playoffs. Marner is a ghost in games that matter, but Zibby is terrible throughout.

 

[SprDaVE]

I'd be scared as a Dallas fan

 

[Duffman955]

I'd be scared as a Dallas fan

Moving Robertson to keep Granlund. Lmfao

 

[JKG33]

He's a ghost in the playoffs. Marner is a ghost in games that matter, but Zibby is terrible throughout.

Zibanejad is dollar store Matthews. Dont need the knock off when the real fully overpaid version is already on the roster.

I'd be scared as a Dallas fan

Robertson is pretty overrated. Dallas was smart upgrading to Rantanen and will likely get a lot of those assets back for Robertson.

Moving Robertson to keep Granlund. Lmfao

I dont hate it. Smart asset management, Granlund played well for them and probably takes a little less to stay with his Finnish buddies

 

[The Shadow]

I still think Marner comes back for some strange reason.

If not. And Bennett/duchene are off the table.

I would look at zibby. 8.5. Owed lots of money. NYR need cap.

Duchene is not the answer and definitely doesn’t change the DNA. What has he won? What are his playoff performances like?

 

[SprDaVE]

Robertson is pretty overrated. Dallas was smart upgrading to Rantanen and will likely get a lot of those assets back for Robertson.

I dont hate it. Smart asset management, Granlund played well for them and probably takes a little less to stay with his Finnish buddies

He's not overrated lol come on. 394 points in 374 games, and 44 points in 56 playoff games. Signed at a 7.7M cap hit for next season.

I do understand that they have to make a cap decision since his next deal will be huge, and they also have Harley coming up... but to keep Granlund? That's out of pocket.

 

[JKG33]

He's not overrated lol come on. 394 points in 374 games, and 44 points in 56 playoff games. Signed at a 7M cap hit for next season.

I do understand that they have to make a cap decision since his next deal will be huge... but to keep Granlund? That's out of pocket.

44 in 56 those are Leafs fraud 4 numbers. And the reason theyre trading him is because he wants a fat 8 figure contract which he's not worth. Guys going to come in similar to Rantanen despite never being that guy.

So if you can get Granlund at say $6-7m, assets for Robertson, all while not having to overpay Robertson? Thats some good business

 

[SprDaVE]

44 in 56 those are Leafs fraud 4 numbers. And the reason theyre trading him is because he wants a fat 8 figure contract which he's not worth. Guys going to come in similar to Rantanen despite never being that guy.

So if you can get Granlund at say $6-7m, assets for Robertson, all while not having to overpay Robertson? Thats some good business

He's 100% worth it but they definitely need to make a cap decision. He's been one of the best LW producing forwards in the league. He's underrated for sure. I have no idea what makes him overrated and not worth it lol It just seems like just random non sense.

But it's crazy how many bad contracts can ruin it all. I dunno why they decided to sign Lyubushkin and Dumba.

 

[JKG33]

He's 100% worth it but they definitely need to make a cap decision. He's been one of the best LW producing forwards in the league. He's underrated.

He's not worth it at all. He's worse than Marner & Nylander.

He's going to be one of those guys where a team pays Dallas some nice assets, signs him to a fat contract, and wonders why they can't win

 

[SprDaVE]

He's not worth it at all. He's worse than Marner & Nylander.

He's going to be one of those guys where a team pays Dallas some nice assets, signs him to a fat contract, and wonders why they can't win

Just saying it doesn't make it true. Marner and Nylander might be better but that doesn't make him not great.

 

[JKG33]

Just saying it doesn't make it true. Marner and Nylander might be better but that doesn't make him not great.

When someone like Marner who's the poster boy for overpaid disappointment is comparable/slightly better than someone, thats not a good look for the other player

 

[ULF_55]

If you sign a winger who fit with the team much more than any C available? yeah can be a possibility

Honestly for me a Marchand-Laughton-Nylander or Kreider laughton-Nylander would be better than a duchene-granlund-Nylander line and will cost less

It's nothing against duchene or Granlund, they are pretty good player... i just don't any fit with their game playing alongside Nylander in the Berube system.

Not interested in Marchand, and Kreider is owned by the Rangers.

 

[Americanadian]

I’m coming around on Coyle next to Nylander.

I’ve previously proposed Benoit+Holmberg for Colton which would make sense for Colorado to fill their holes and clear their cap issues.

If Coyle is available instead of Colton does that type of deal make sense for both?

Coyle is a pending UFA, 33YO RS C. He is 1 year separated from a 60 point season. Does pairing him with Nylander in a contract year revive his offense?

Is Coyle the best available fit? No.
Could he be the most cost-effective fit with minimal long-term risk? Maybe.

 

[Dreakmur]

He's a ghost in the playoffs. Marner is a ghost in games that matter, but Zibby is terrible throughout.

Zibanejad is one of the few players whose production rises in the playoffs. Not exactly what I’d call a ghost.