Roster Building/Team Building/Future Trade/Drafting thread.

[mydnyte]

I'm confused on that as well. put up the same amount of points in similar TOI.

maybe because he is in fact, Not a good player, and a liability on the ice. Bert single handedly cost us the series vs Boston with his dumb penalties, and constant being out of position trying to go after Marchand

 

[Tony Romo]

You said your lines construction hinged on Cowan’s success.

If he’s not ready and requires more development in the AHL, the it would be de facto impatient to insist our forwards corps will only be successful if Cowan succeeds and push him out before he’s ready.

And being on the third line, and as the hopeful heir to Marner, there’s no semblance of sheltering Cowan in the scenario you’ve laid out.

Sheltering him would be responsible development for as long as it takes.

Sorry, I exaggerated what I said. Cowan making the roster allows you to spend around 5.3m on one third line winger. If he doesn't make the team, you would have to split up that amount into two wingers. Which imo would make the team a bit worst.

If he's on the third line, he'd average anywhere between 10-13m a game. Without PP1 time, most likely no PK time and being player with a C that put up a PPG last year. I don't know how you can say there's no semblance of sheltering Cowan when he won't be getting any other teams top line match ups. He's on the third line, if you're calling him the hopeful heir to Marner that isn't going to change if he comes in 26.

 

[ULF_55]

You don't spend money because some player are available, you spend it because you're thinking those player will make you better... because honestly i think personally than Nylander would be better with Laughton than Duchene.

That doesn't mean Laughton is a better player

Max pacioretty was not a spectacular player but hes the guy with who Nylander had more succes, why? his physical game help that line to get the puck much more.

So your choice is Laughton for 2nd. line center?

At least he is real.

 

[mydnyte]

Can’t see a world in which Bennett or Marchand discard winning ways and sound judgement for Toronto, given their play and in particular, Marchand’s comments.

I can see Zito finessing Florida’s structure to offer Marchand a retirement contract.

Everyone had the winner of Toronto vs Florida going to the Cup finals, and if Stolarz wasnt 'injured' it would have been us.

I despise that everyone downplays this team to be less than it is, because we play in the most stacked division in the NHL.
whoever survives the Atlantic typically is in the Finals.

 

[Tony Romo]

maybe because he is in fact, Not a good player, and a liability on the ice. Bert single handedly cost us the series vs Boston with his dumb penalties, and constant being out of position trying to go after Marchand

but the blackhawks are the worst team in hockey.

 

[mydnyte]

but the blackhawks are the worst team in hockey.

doesnt make Bert any better or worse, he is what he is, and I'm glad he isnt here.

 

[Tony Romo]

doesnt make Bert any better or worse, he is what he is, and I'm glad he isnt here.

For sure but I don't think the Hawks need to waste money buying him out. It isn't like they will be replacing him with a bunch of new better wingers this offseason, imo. Unless he's super bad in the locker room, just don't see the point.

 

[Americanadian]

maybe because he is in fact, Not a good player, and a liability on the ice. Bert single handedly cost us the series vs Boston with his dumb penalties, and constant being out of position trying to go after Marchand

He created the only goal they scored in game 7.

It's at 7:22

 

[mydnyte]

For sure but I don't think the Hawks need to waste money buying him out. It isn't like they will be replacing him with a bunch of new better wingers this offseason, imo. Unless he's super bad in the locker room, just don't see the point.

cant disagree ...the need bodies, and dont have many of even Bert's quality.

 

[Tony Romo]

cant disagree ...the need bodies, and dont have many of even Bert's quality.

Yeah, Chicago did the whole teardown thing but forgot that they should probably surround their young guys with some talent or good locker room people (Toffoli in San Jose)

 

[Tony Romo]

There's just no way a contending team gives him 8m AAV over a 3-4 year contract right?

 

[Fogelhund]

Bertuzzi in a "disaster" year for him, put up 46 points. Pretty much what he put up with us, on a better offensive team... what exactly was expected?

The team was a disaster... you were never going to get $5.5 mil out of him... I thought the Domi contract would have been good value for him though. I'd take him at 50% though, and that would end up saving Chicago on the cap... $2.75 mil cap hit for us would be good value.

 

[The Shadow]

Dreger thinks that Bennett doesn’t want anything to do with Toronto. Maybe the agent connection there as Marner wants out as well

 

[Dreakmur]

You brought in Marchand, Pageau, Colton, Jeannot, Tanev, Brown, Kreider at the expense of Marner, Tavares, Kampf, McMann, Holmberg, Robertson, Lorentz.

Sorted by EV D impact last season:

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You get marginally worse. Primarily lead by a much worse 4th line defensively.

Cool a spreadsheet that tries to rank players by a trait that nobody has yet figured out how to accurately measure….

 

[Fogelhund]

There's just no way a contending team gives him 8m AAV over a 3-4 year contract right?

It seems like a lot doesn't it... and yet this is a guy who just shows up when it counts, and is still putting up 60 points per season... But, he's not young, it will be a 35+ contract.... It's not something I'd want to do.. but then, he'll probably make me eat my words.

 

[Tony Romo]

It seems like a lot doesn't it... and yet this is a guy who just shows up when it counts, and is still putting up 60 points per season... But, he's not young, it will be a 35+ contract.... It's not something I'd want to do.. but then, he'll probably make me eat my words.

i could see the leafs being fine going up to 6.5m on 3-4 years. But I highly doubt a stanley cup contending team would do that. but who knows, I could be wrong

 

[TMLAM34]

Trades:

Jarnkrok+Robertson+25 3rd for Eberle
Benoit for Pospisil
McMann+Marner for Karlsson
Domi for Kreider
Kampf for future considerations

UFA:
Perbix 2.5Mx4
Tavares 3.75Mx6
Kane 4M (2M PB)x1
Lorentz 1.15Mx8
Bastian 1.15Mx7

RFA:
Knies 6.5Mx3
Holmberg 1.25Mx2

Knies-Matthews-Kane
Kreider-Karlsson-Nylander
Pospisil-Tavares-Eberle
Lorentz-Laughton-Bastian
Holmberg

McCabe-Tanev
Rielly-Carlo
OEL-Perbix
Myers

Stolarz
Woll

Cap space with 22 man roster: 1.35M

Pospisil would be a solid addition. Can play either wing, I would look at signing Mangiapane (familiarity with Tre and from Toronto). Could give us a very solid third line.

Mangiapane(3) - Tavares(5) - Pospisil(1)

 

[Americanadian]

Cool a spreadsheet that tries to rank players by a trait that nobody has yet figured out how to accurately measure….

No one but you apparently.

 

[Americanadian]

Pospisil would be a solid addition. Can play either wing, I would look at signing Mangiapane (familiarity with Tre and from Toronto). Could give us a very solid third line.

Mangiapane(3) - Tavares(5) - Pospisil(1)

I used to be a big Mangiapane fan but I’ve completely jumped off that bandwagon. He’s not fast relative to his size and he barely hits and his offense doesn’t make up for his lack of physical traits.

 

[Dreakmur]

No one but you apparently.

Lots of people can observe and form opinions, but those opinions aren’t proof.

Defensive ability just isn’t something you can accurately measure with statistics. There are far too many variables that can’t ever been accounted for.

 

[Americanadian]

Lots of people can observe and form opinions, but those opinions aren’t proof.

Defensive ability just isn’t something you can accurately measure with statistics. There are far too many variables that can’t ever been accounted for.

I’m more trusting of the millions of data points collected off real outcomes from every single shift that happens than random opinions from anonymous people.

Any player can put in a good defensive effort for one night. It’s more will than skill. Data analysis allows a person to understand what’s happening every single game, not just a random game that you watch.

Unless there’s a person who watches all 1230 games each year. I’d listen to that person.

 

[Dreakmur]

I’m more trusting of the millions of data points collected off real outcomes from every single shift that happens than random opinions from anonymous people.

Any player can put in a good defensive effort for one night. It’s more will than skill. Data analysis allows a person to understand what’s happening every single game, not just a random game that you watch.

Unless there’s a person who watches all 1230 games each year. I’d listen to that person.

Data analysis only matters if you’re collecting the right data. Kyle Dubas proved that already.

 

[Torontonian]

Bertuzzi in a "disaster" year for him, put up 46 points. Pretty much what he put up with us, on a better offensive team... what exactly was expected?

The team was a disaster... you were never going to get $5.5 mil out of him... I thought the Domi contract would have been good value for him though. I'd take him at 50% though, and that would end up saving Chicago on the cap... $2.75 mil cap hit for us would be good value.

I don’t know, I’d take a chance on that contract with Bert, especially if they are trying to dump for free.

Feels like he wasn’t a Keefe player, he didn’t have the skill to be a puck possession guy. but I could see him being a fit with Berube.

 

[Americanadian]

Data analysis only matters if you’re collecting the right data. Kyle Dubas proved that already.

You’d be hard pressed to find a data centered person who thinks Kyle Dubas did a good job.

 

[Torontonian]

He created the only goal they scored in game 7.

It's at 7:22

It’s crazy how Toronto is in good positions like this, Game 3 against Panthers etc, and they end up blowing it…

Also the game tying goal from Boston makes me sick… imagine Letting a goal like that in a game 7….